Dead period till January 12thBriles said:
Any updates on the QB pursuit in the portal? I think I saw something about Aranda putting it off until January (which would be absolutely stupid).
Dead period till January 12thBriles said:
Any updates on the QB pursuit in the portal? I think I saw something about Aranda putting it off until January (which would be absolutely stupid).
MarcelloSwisher said:
He'll sign, backup Bo Nix this upcoming year while raking in the NIL cash, cars ect. Year after Nix leaves he'll face his first QB competition and promptly run to the portal with his tail tucked between his legs. I've got his type figured out.
boognish_bear said:
We brought a butter knife to a gun fightKudos to Oregon on a phenomenal Signing Day.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) December 22, 2022
A lot of these NIL collectives are amateur hour operations. Oregon’s Division Street is basically a mini-Nike, run by former execs there. pic.twitter.com/MbZfDHcbm2
We don't have any choice but to wait. It's a dead period until Jan. 12. By rule, we can talk to spring enrollees seven days before the start of classes, so there will probably be some information about who we're pursuing then.Briles said:
Any updates on the QB pursuit in the portal? I think I saw something about Aranda putting it off until January (which would be absolutely stupid).
I think you're free to recruit all spring enrollees during that time. The idea is to give those players enough time to get committed and enrolled before classes start.PartyBear said:
That would be our own spring enrollees right? I mean we can't talk to anyone else's right?
Roster size makes a big difference. Also, it takes several impact players on the football field to put a team over the top and just one or two on the court.robby44 said:
If its all about NIL then how is Scott Drew able to sign so many impact highly rated basketballers
Does basketball have more NIL money available than football?
robby44 said:
The top bball recruits in interviews have all said they chose Baylor because of the staff, and the way they develop players.
Regarding the QB position we don't have anyone who can develop a player and make him better than when he hit campus. These kids saw the regression of Shapen
While NIL is huge we have other issues that are making BU a undesirable landing spot for a QB
sicem2010 said:
Been processing this for a day or two and according to ESPN's numbers, we have a 58/42 percent split between run/pass respectively.
Comparatively, Oregon's split is about 54/46 give or take a decimal. So it's about
The thing that really popped out to me though was that our OL gave up 20 sacks for 130 yards vs. Oregon's 4 sacks for 18 yards.
All that to say that even though QB is the most valued position in all of sports, I think our OL and RB signings are more impactful for the future than Novosad would have been.
We'll hit the portal and find a serviceable backup to Shapen for next year. Probably won't go to a bowl game. But it's not the apocalyptic scenario that some of these posts seem to be describing.
People forget that Aranda went 2-7 in his first year, which is much harder to recruit than going 6-6 (hopefully 7-6) this year.
PartyBear said:
I personally think Aranda will be fired if we have a losing season in year 4. Going 6-6 again probably gets another year that needs to be really good. So in a way the QB debacle was somewhat apocalyptic to the tenure of this staff. I think if he keeps Bell it will end up with his own firing.
Yep.. even Nebraska (Warren) and Arkansas (Waltons) wouldn't be able to compete with that. First they aren't wasting the money and it doesn't fit so naturally like it does with Nike. Geico while good isn't exactly a marketing expert like Nike is. It is seamless unlike some Insurance campaign with the local qb. Not just about raw $s.hodedofome said:boognish_bear said:
We brought a butter knife to a gun fightKudos to Oregon on a phenomenal Signing Day.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) December 22, 2022
A lot of these NIL collectives are amateur hour operations. Oregon’s Division Street is basically a mini-Nike, run by former execs there. pic.twitter.com/MbZfDHcbm2
Yeah the difference with someone like Nike backed Oregon is Nike can actually use these athletes to further their brand. They have decades of experience doing this with pros, and now they have an opportunity to increase their reach in the college world. This is different from the local car dealership or restaurant. This is legit big business, and Nike can justify a huge amount of investment here.
I don't know of another university who can go head to head with what Nike can justify and provide, and actually get an ROI from.
Fired??? Talk about being a victim of your own success.PartyBear said:
I personally think Aranda will be fired if we have a losing season in year 4. Going 6-6 again probably gets another year that needs to be really good. So in a way the QB debacle was somewhat apocalyptic to the tenure of this staff. I think if he keeps Bell it will end up with his own firing.
hodedofome said:boognish_bear said:
We brought a butter knife to a gun fightKudos to Oregon on a phenomenal Signing Day.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) December 22, 2022
A lot of these NIL collectives are amateur hour operations. Oregon’s Division Street is basically a mini-Nike, run by former execs there. pic.twitter.com/MbZfDHcbm2
Yeah the difference with someone like Nike backed Oregon is Nike can actually use these athletes to further their brand. They have decades of experience doing this with pros, and now they have an opportunity to increase their reach in the college world. This is different from the local car dealership or restaurant. This is legit big business, and Nike can justify a huge amount of investment here.
I don't know of another university who can go head to head with what Nike can justify and provide, and actually get an ROI from.
I didnt predict he would lose his job. I laid out a condition in year 4 in which I think he would lose his job just like you did as well actually in your last sentence.Mitch Henessey said:Fired??? Talk about being a victim of your own success.PartyBear said:
I personally think Aranda will be fired if we have a losing season in year 4. Going 6-6 again probably gets another year that needs to be really good. So in a way the QB debacle was somewhat apocalyptic to the tenure of this staff. I think if he keeps Bell it will end up with his own firing.
We were legitimately 4-5 plays away from being 10-2 or 9-3 this year. Now, all of those games came down to subpar QB play for us, which is what this entire thread is about, so I get that it's a big problem. But anyone predicting Aranda losing his job in any way shape or form in 2023 is smoking some serious crack. The only way he's not our coach in 2024 is if the wheels completely fall off and we go 0-12 or 1-11, or we win 11-12 games and he decides to leave for greener pastures.
BearlyBeloved said:
Marry for love?
Or for the dowry?
That's NIL.
Mitch Henessey said:Fired??? Talk about being a victim of your own success.PartyBear said:
I personally think Aranda will be fired if we have a losing season in year 4. Going 6-6 again probably gets another year that needs to be really good. So in a way the QB debacle was somewhat apocalyptic to the tenure of this staff. I think if he keeps Bell it will end up with his own firing.
We were legitimately 4-5 plays away from being 10-2 or 9-3 this year. Now, all of those games came down to subpar QB play for us, which is what this entire thread is about, so I get that it's a big problem. But anyone predicting Aranda losing his job in any way shape or form in 2023 is smoking some serious crack. The only way he's not our coach in 2024 is if the wheels completely fall off and we go 0-12 or 1-11, or we win 11-12 games and he decides to leave for greener pastures.
People keep saying these things while ignoring that 20-plus good recruits just stuck to their commitments to Baylor without any ridiculous promises of NIL money. Outside of a few kids at the top of our class that left late (and the obvious hole at QB), this cycle was business as usual for Baylor.PartyBear said:
Why do y'all think this exactly. 20 years ago the same exact thing was being said about having facilities to compete and coaching budgets to compete.
I think it is naive to think we can try to compete without NIL. That is like the old thinking from the 90s that we can offer coaches something unique here rather than money if they come to coach here. We dont need to be paying coaches they should want to coach here for other reasons due to our uniqueness. Coaches who want to be paid arent worth it.
The kids are all hired guns now. No one is going to Texas or Baylor or anywhere else because they grew up being fans or Mom or Dad went there. (I'm talking athletes now btw). They are going to try to go pro and now to get paid. The kids now dont even stay loyal to who they signed with out of high school. Again they arent going to a place because they have always been a fan. They arent even "fans" so to say while they are at a place. Their agenda is different. Fans and alums need to not project their agenda onto these athletes. This needs to be faced. The longer we are slow to get this including our fans based on postings here. The more likely we fall back into an abyss.
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— 247Sports (@247Sports) December 22, 2022
To me, the championship bought Aranda five years at a minimum. If we have a couple more like this one, I think you consider going a different direction, but I wouldn't even entertain the thought of firing him before the end of the 2024 season. Hopefully, that all becomes a moot point over the next two years and we have to start worrying about him being poached again because he's having so much success.Mitch Henessey said:Fired??? Talk about being a victim of your own success.PartyBear said:
I personally think Aranda will be fired if we have a losing season in year 4. Going 6-6 again probably gets another year that needs to be really good. So in a way the QB debacle was somewhat apocalyptic to the tenure of this staff. I think if he keeps Bell it will end up with his own firing.
We were legitimately 4-5 plays away from being 10-2 or 9-3 this year. Now, all of those games came down to subpar QB play for us, which is what this entire thread is about, so I get that it's a big problem. But anyone predicting Aranda losing his job in any way shape or form in 2023 is smoking some serious crack. The only way he's not our coach in 2024 is if the wheels completely fall off and we go 0-12 or 1-11, or we win 11-12 games and he decides to leave for greener pastures.
This is the best post on this page.bear2be2 said:People keep saying these things while ignoring that 20-plus good recruits just stuck to their commitments to Baylor without any ridiculous promises of NIL money. Outside of a few kids at the top of our class that left late (and the obvious hole at QB), this cycle was business as usual for Baylor.PartyBear said:
Why do y'all think this exactly. 20 years ago the same exact thing was being said about having facilities to compete and coaching budgets to compete.
I think it is naive to think we can try to compete without NIL. That is like the old thinking from the 90s that we can offer coaches something unique here rather than money if they come to coach here. We dont need to be paying coaches they should want to coach here for other reasons due to our uniqueness. Coaches who want to be paid arent worth it.
The kids are all hired guns now. No one is going to Texas or Baylor or anywhere else because they grew up being fans or Mom or Dad went there. (I'm talking athletes now btw). They are going to try to go pro and now to get paid. The kids now dont even stay loyal to who they signed with out of high school. Again they arent going to a place because they have always been a fan. They arent even "fans" so to say while they are at a place. Their agenda is different. Fans and alums need to not project their agenda onto these athletes. This needs to be faced. The longer we are slow to get this including our fans based on postings here. The more likely we fall back into an abyss.
The types of kids we've recruited and won big with are still available for a scholarship offer and whatever modest NIL package we can offer them. And if they're treated well and perform well, they're far more likely than not to finish their playing careers in Waco.
The fatalism around this topic and the transfer portal is truly bizarre. Our future success will be based on the exact same thing our past success was -- our ability to identify, recruit and develop Texas talent that was overlooked by the blue bloods. There are hundreds of kids in those ranks who are capable of contributing to conference championship-level football teams. Find them, develop them and win with them.
We're not going to be in on many blue chip recruits, but that's literally always been the case, so nothing changes. We have a niche as an overachieving program with a unique university and program culture. We need to embrace that and use it to our advantage in a time when most universities are leaning into the business side of the sport. That's our way forward.
But it's funny that we just signed a top-35 class -- our highest rated in years -- and people are acting like we'll never recruit another good player again. We've won multiple championships with classes just like the one we just inked. There are still a lot of good, hungry players who respect and appreciate what Baylor has to offer. Our fans need to embrace that and stop worrying about what we're not and will never be.
robby44 said:
If we had provided Drones with more playing time i don't think he would have left.
The decision to start Shapen over Bohannon now looks like it has created far reaching reprecussions