IowaBear said:

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Go to an 8 game league schedule and add a 4th non con game. Play 1 FCS 2 G5 and 1 G4 non con game. Hell play 3 G5 non con games.
SOS simply does not matter anymore. Committee has made that crystal clear. Than again they'll change the narrative next year to fit whatever schools they perceive as needing a bump to get in.

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Sadly, this is true. And the real frustrating part is it's the opposite of what should be happening.

Teams should be rewarded for challenging themselves outside of conference the same way they are in basketball, but that has simply never been the case with the CFP committee, which uses an arbitrary standard that's different for each team it considers.

The honest truth is if I'm Mack (or whoever does the FB scheduling) I'm trying my best to ditch the Auburn& SMU games. Not to dodge competition. But because they simply carry no weight. Being in the B12 and beating an Auburn or SMU will carry zero weight and that's proving itself to be true with each weeks rankings.

Any chance the Big12 could go to 8 conference games? We had all of our best schools damn near disqualify themselves from the CFP hunt because they lost last weekend

Should be the #1 priority when they meet at seasons end. I imagine KSUs coach is far from the only one who will be advocating for that change

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Any chance the Big12 could go to 8 conference games? We had all of our best schools damn near disqualify themselves from the CFP hunt because they lost last weekend

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No, 9 conference games are locked in through the media deals, so the earliest it would change is the next deal at the end of the decade. While it's possible that the media partners may be willing to reduce on-going payouts in exchange for one less conference game before then, it likely wouldn't be an equitable exchange because there is no incentive for the media partners to agree to it otherwise plus the university presidents would likely balk at less revenue even if it was equitable.

"If Georgia loses in the SEC Championship I still think that they're in the playoff with three losses..

If by some miracle Texas A&M wins the SEC they would be in as a three loss champion..

If Notre Dame gets upset by USC then Alabama is back in the convo" ~ @CFBHeather… pic.twitter.com/NlvqvcNXFB

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) November 26, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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"If Georgia loses in the SEC Championship I still think that they're in the playoff with three losses..

If by some miracle Texas A&M wins the SEC they would be in as a three loss champion..

If Notre Dame gets upset by USC then Alabama is back in the convo" ~ @CFBHeather… pic.twitter.com/NlvqvcNXFB

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) November 26, 2024

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Heather Dimwit gonna dimwit…..

The 12-team Playoff, as currently projected: pic.twitter.com/HlLgEWuHue

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) November 27, 2024

The committee completely nailed it this week. Those are the 12 teams who should be in the playoffs as of right now.

The SEC 3-loss order:

No. 13 Alabama
No. 14 Ole Miss
No. 15 South Carolina
No. 20 Texas A&M

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 27, 2024

I was hoping it would follow the AP poll. I'm glad there isn't much of an SEC bias, a 3 loss is really pushing it. I would make an exception if A&M won the SEC

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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I was hoping it would follow the AP poll. I'm glad there isn't much of an SEC bias, a 3 loss is really pushing it. I would make an exception if A&M won the SEC

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SMU will either have to win the ACC championship game or lose in a 7-overtime death match. Otherwise, Bama, after sitting on their ass the weekend of the SEC championship, will be in ... and the committee breathes a huge sigh of relief.

Clemson at 12 is incredibly hilarious.

1 strong opponent this season (Georgia) and they lost by 31.

What are we even doing here?

— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) November 27, 2024

The CFP Bubble (in order) of those outside of the playoff field, per the selection committee’s rankings:

- Clemson
- Alabama
- Ole Miss
- South Carolina

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) November 27, 2024

Well, we know what this is setting up for. If No. 12 Clemson beats No. 15 South Carolina, do they pass No. 10 Indiana for last at-large?

Mind you, if Miami loses to Syracuse, Clemson goes to ACC title game and could get in automatically.

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 27, 2024

Projected point spreads for @CFBPlayoff first round pairings via @_Collin1

Ohio St -20½ Arizona St
Georgia -7 Tennessee
Penn St -8½ Indiana
Notre Dame -8½ SMU

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Clemson at 12 is incredibly hilarious.

1 strong opponent this season (Georgia) and they lost by 31.

What are we even doing here?

— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) November 27, 2024

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These arguments are so dumb. Besides Oregon and Ohio State, you could make a case for almost every team on why they should be excluded from the playoff…

Maybe Alabama should learn to score against a piss poor OU team, Houston did…

Clemson already has 2 losses like ASU, BYU, and ISU.

So if we are talking about Clemson as an at large they must have some impressive wins on the resume. Let's take a look....

App St 5-5
NCST 5-6
Stanford 3-8
FSU 2-9
WF 4-7
UVA 5-6
VT 5-6
Pitt 7-4
Citadel 5-7 FCS

They do get #15 SCAR this weekend. That would be a nice win.

The committee is so wed to the loss column it has 9-2 Tulane seven spots above an 8-3 K-State team that beat Tulane on its home field -- which was the best team Tulane has faced.

(Though I still contend Tulane got jobbed by the refs.)

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 27, 2024

Boise State’s schedule of who they’ve beat:

Georgia Southern
Portland State
Washington State
Utah State
Hawaii
UNLV
San Diego State
Nevada
San Jose State
Wyoming

— Rick Junior (@mrrickjunior) November 27, 2024

B12's record against other P4 teams:

Wins:
BYU 18 SMU 15
ASU 30 MissSt 23
ISU 20 Iowa 19
TCU 34 Stan 27
OkSt 39 Arky 31

Losses:
Colo 10 Neb 28
TCU 42 SMU 66
WVU 12 PennSt 34
WVU 34 Pitt 38
KU 17 Illinois 23
Cincy 27 Pitt 28
UH 12 OU 16
UCF 13 Florida 24

The path for @AlabamaFTBL is narrow
- Need ACC to only get 1 team...Need Clemson loss along with SMU loss
- Wouldn't hurt for Texas to beat A&M

— Joel Klatt (@joelklatt) November 27, 2024

And really, why would the committee get too caught up in strength of schedule? It's only the (checks the site) ***very first item*** on their list of "principles." pic.twitter.com/yceqc7OAbZ

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 27, 2024

Weird pic.twitter.com/Bj33eWwsSm

— Tipodis D. Devil (@tipodissd) November 27, 2024

The loser of the Big Ten Championship will host Arizona State to play Boise State.

The winner of the Big Ten Championship will open with Georgia on a neutral field.

That is not right.

— Ohio’s Tate (@BarstoolTate) November 27, 2024

GoldenBear007 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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So let me see if I get this right....

The SEC is so strong because Bama and Aggy sitting at or near the top of the conference can be beat by two SEC bottom feeders OU and Auburn. That shows how strong the whole conference is.

In the B12 when 4-6 KU beats Colo at the top of the conference it shows how shtty the B12 is.

Did I do it right?

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Yes, because the worst SEC team is still viewed as better than the best Big 12 school. SEC fans would argue a school like Auburn or OU would stillbe the favorite in a neutral site game against a BYU or Arizona State.

As such, don't be surprised if Big 12 does indeed get left out of the playoff. We're viewed as simply an upper G5 conference now in football.

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But wait, it gets better. When the Big 12 teams beat SEC teams in bowl games, well it just means less.

Yes… This all sounds very objective

.@CFBPlayoff chair Warde Manuel asked if Boise’s 17-13 win at Wyoming affected committee's evaluation of them. Wyoming is 2-9 (1-5 at home)

“Well (Boise) won & we value winning. We value how the teams play & in the end, the scoreboard matters. … We have some people on the…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

PaperBear89 said:

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GoldenBear007 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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So let me see if I get this right....

The SEC is so strong because Bama and Aggy sitting at or near the top of the conference can be beat by two SEC bottom feeders OU and Auburn. That shows how strong the whole conference is.

In the B12 when 4-6 KU beats Colo at the top of the conference it shows how shtty the B12 is.

Did I do it right?

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Yes, because the worst SEC team is still viewed as better than the best Big 12 school. SEC fans would argue a school like Auburn or OU would stillbe the favorite in a neutral site game against a BYU or Arizona State.

As such, don't be surprised if Big 12 does indeed get left out of the playoff. We're viewed as simply an upper G5 conference now in football.

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But wait, it gets better. When the Big 12 teams beat SEC teams in bowl games, well it just means less.

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How successful the Big 12 champ is/is not in the CFP will matter more to the college football community than the results of rest of the Big 12 bowls combined.

I think he's on to something.

I might’ve cracked the code😉

1: Undefeated
2-6: 1-loss “brands”
7-8: 2-loss SEC
9-11: 1-loss “non-brands”
12: 2-loss non-SEC “brand”
13-15: 3-loss SEC
16-19: 2-loss “non-brands”

(This is a joke. It falls apart at 20. Just found the groupings interesting) pic.twitter.com/mvEBHf1GHI

— Kelley Ford (@KFordRatings) November 27, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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B12's record against other P4 teams:

Wins:
BYU 18 SMU 15 (1st in ACC)
ASU 30 MissSt 23 (16th place - Dead last in SEC)
ISU 20 Iowa 19 (Tie 5th in B1G)
TCU 34 Stan 27 (16th place out of 17 teams in ACC)
OkSt 39 Arky 31 (11th place in the SEC)

Losses:
Colo 10 Neb 28 (11th in the B1G)
TCU 42 SMU 66 (1st in the ACC)
WVU 12 PennSt 34 (T2nd in B1G)
WVU 34 Pitt 38 (10th in ACC)
KU 17 Illinois 23 (T5th in B1g)
Cincy 27 Pitt 28 (10th in ACC)
UH 12 OU 16 (T13th in SEC)
UCF 13 Florida 24 (10th in SEC)

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I added the current place in standings to those teams to show where they are in their respective conferences. I didn't realize how poor the Big 12 looks on paper against the other P4 other than BYU's win over SMU in Dallas. One glance at that chart and it is easy to see why the Big 12 would only get 1 team in but I would be curious how the other P4 conferences looked with the same chart. But whoever wins the Big 12 definitely belongs above Boise St because a chart with them and the Mountain West would look much worse.

They should just go ahead and move Clemson and Miami to the SEC to give them 18 teams and then the B1G and SEC create their own playoff. It is apparent the people on the committee view the ACC (minus the bluebloods in Clemson and Miami), Big 12 and other conferences all as the old Division 1-AA. It is not going to change. So just have 2 separate playoffs.

Troll.

boognish_bear said:

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Yes… This all sounds very objective

.@CFBPlayoff chair Warde Manuel asked if Boise’s 17-13 win at Wyoming affected committee's evaluation of them. Wyoming is 2-9 (1-5 at home)

“Well (Boise) won & we value winning. We value how the teams play & in the end, the scoreboard matters. … We have some people on the…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

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Can we please just go back to the BCS? The changes to the committee rankings are likely minimal, but at least we know what we're getting every year and not this ever moving needle every year on the committee's criteria

When Kansas State rates as the stronger team, has the better raw resume (by a mile!), and has a win AT TULANE, ranking KSU at #24 and Tulane at #17 is downright fraudulent. https://t.co/HFSaHJlIZf pic.twitter.com/q1JCfcQmq5

— CFP Resume Rankings (@CFPResumeRanks) November 27, 2024