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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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I'm not saying Briles didn't purposefully hide things from JA, there is clear evidence he did. We don't know to the highest level of misdeeds he tried to hide (but we do know he didn't try to cover up any rape incidents that directly reported to him according to Baylor's letter) but that is a discussion for another thread. My point is that he gets killed on this site for not reporting 2nd hand information about this volleyball player. I have still not seen evidence to show that Briles KNEW he was obligated to report it, even if Barnes had already spoken with Ian and JA.

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FIFU

Baylor certainly thinks he knew, but that horse has been beaten to death. GG has certainly added to what we know.

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From Baylor's letter to Briles:

"In particular, at this time we are unaware of any situation where you personally had contact with anyone who directly reported to you being the victim of sexual assault or that you directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials. Nor are we aware of any situation where you played a student athlete who had been found responsible for sexual assault."

Baylor clearly states he didn't try to cover any sexual assault incident whether it was reported to him or not. Actually Baylor even clearly states that he didn't have any victim of sexual assault directly report it to him. So I'm not entirely sure what you think you are fixing in my post.

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Those are not the same things by any stretch

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The next part in Baylor's letter where it says "or that you directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials" pretty much covers that part in my post that you highlighted, does it not?

These robe touchers wipe their ass on more valuable pieces of paper in the morning. Wave it around like you just don't care, wave it around like you just don't care and look at the poop on it.
How did that letter work with the CFL? NFL? NCAA? Sponsors? America? Muerica?
I guess the robe forgot that by blowing up Baylor's credibility they make the letter worthless.
Even us cornbreads in Oklahoma wouldn't take that letter serious.

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

PlayingbytheRhules said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

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And your point is....

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

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Said the unabashed Rhule apologist with blind faith that Rhule will be our Lord and Savior.

Sure bro. You live in an alternate reality, and I'm the nut.

I just find it funny that a guy making $6 million a year was dumb enough to call his own players bad dudes on Company controlled device.


I'll bet he's gone to cell phone training since this.

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

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Said the unabashed Rhule apologist with blind faith that Rhule will be our Lord and Savior.

Sure bro. You live in an alternate reality, and I'm the nut.

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I hate CMR. Being as big of a conspiracy guy as some of yall are, maybe you should take a logic class that will help you understand not everybody is on one side of the coin or the other.

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

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Said the unabashed Rhule apologist with blind faith that Rhule will be our Lord and Savior.

Sure bro. You live in an alternate reality, and I'm the nut.

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I live in the real world, not the one where Briles was set up, the people in power dont want baylor to win (vs us simply being a dumpster fire with bad dudes that have piss poor attitudes and are dysfunctional),and / or its all a big conspiracy against CAB.

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I just find it funny that a guy making $6 million a year was dumb enough to call his own players bad dudes on Company controlled device.


I'll bet he's gone to cell phone training since this.

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Those two words were never said together .There were about 3 sentences between the word bad and the word dudes . Don't believe everything rusty Hardin spits out

PlayingbytheRhules said:

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Mothra said:

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PlayingbytheRhules said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

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Said the unabashed Rhule apologist with blind faith that Rhule will be our Lord and Savior.

Sure bro. You live in an alternate reality, and I'm the nut.

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I hate CMR. Being as big of a conspiracy guy as some of yall are, maybe you should take a logic class that will help you understand not everybody is on one side of the coin or the other.

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You need to heed your own advice, and work on your reading comprehension. I am not a poster who believes Briles should still be here. I would suggest you read my post again before jumping to conclusion. There is nothing in my post to indicate that I believe Briles was set up or that the people in power don't want Baylor to win. I never said or suggested that. I simply asked, what is the evidence that CAB covered up rapes, as another poster suggested.

Geez.

Robemcdo said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I just find it funny that a guy making $6 million a year was dumb enough to call his own players bad dudes on Company controlled device.


I'll bet he's gone to cell phone training since this.

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Those two words were never said together .There were about 3 sentences between the word bad and the word dudes . Don't believe everything rusty Hardin spits out

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He's far more trustworthy than a caber like you.

Denial and desperation is the new sad formula I see.

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Mothra said:

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PlayingbytheRhules said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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You people are crazy.

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Said the unabashed Rhule apologist with blind faith that Rhule will be our Lord and Savior.

Sure bro. You live in an alternate reality, and I'm the nut.

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I hate CMR. Being as big of a conspiracy guy as some of yall are, maybe you should take a logic class that will help you understand not everybody is on one side of the coin or the other.

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You need to heed your own advice, and work on your reading comprehension. I am not a poster who believes Briles should still be here. I would suggest you read my post again before jumping to conclusion. There is nothing in my post to indicate that I believe Briles was set up or that the people in power don't want Baylor to win. I never said or suggested that. I simply asked, what is the evidence that CAB covered up rapes, as another poster suggested.

Geez.

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Because the Pepper People said he did and now the minions have their marching orders.

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I just find it funny that a guy making $6 million a year was dumb enough to call his own players bad dudes on Company controlled device.


I'll bet he's gone to cell phone training since this.

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The BOR made him do it because they didn't make him understand the mandatory cell phone training he took.

It's THEIR fault.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I just find it funny that a guy making $6 million a year was dumb enough to call his own players bad dudes on Company controlled device.


I'll bet he's gone to cell phone training since this.

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The BOR made him do it because they didn't make him understand the mandatory cell phone training he took.

It's THEIR fault.

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That may be what Baylor says now, but back then there was no training. Art was told to send the cell phone bill to Ian or Shill and it would likely go away. Last resort Starr would take care of it.

A quick google search reveals that those words were not said on a text message. Keep it up sheep, your honorable and noble regents thank you.

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A quick google search reveals that those words were not said on a text message. Keep it up sheep, your honorable and noble regents thank you.

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yeah, well if i'm running an apartment complex and some jackass thugs are trashing the place and smoking weed, and I work to get rid of it, I'm not gonna let some jackass small town hero football coach tell me what I can and cannot do.

i''m pretty sure THAT's in the text messages.

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Character obviously didn't count with Ian or Briles and his staff. Maybe that is why they are toxic and can only coach for well known scum like Lame Kiffin.

Most adults understand that working for a college it isn't working for the local garbage disposal company. There is some responsibility with trash that blows all over the campus.
Oh well, the Wall Street Journal splashed it worldwide and now no decent brand name can be associated with those guys.

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man... you are in a bad place.

I'm worried about you

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BearackObama said:

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A quick google search reveals that those words were not said on a text message. Keep it up sheep, your honorable and noble regents thank you.

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yeah, well if i'm running an apartment complex and some jackass thugs are trashing the place and smoking weed, and I work to get rid of it, I'm not gonna let some jackass small town hero football coach tell me what I can and cannot do.

i''m pretty sure THAT's in the text messages.

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Another quick google search reveals that no, it is not. Nothing about "trashing the place" - just some 20 year old "thugs" smoking pot. Probably the only Baylor students who do that. Horrendous.

BearackObama said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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BearackObama said:

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A quick google search reveals that those words were not said on a text message. Keep it up sheep, your honorable and noble regents thank you.

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yeah, well if i'm running an apartment complex and some jackass thugs are trashing the place and smoking weed, and I work to get rid of it, I'm not gonna let some jackass small town hero football coach tell me what I can and cannot do.

i''m pretty sure THAT's in the text messages.

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Another quick google search reveals that no, it is not. Nothing about "trashing the place" - just some 20 year old "thugs" smoking pot. Probably the only Baylor students who do that. Horrendous.

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Dude, there is not apartment manager calling the police for weed smoking in the United States. Drug dealing, yes. Weed smoking, no.

How difficult is it not to have the police called on you?

Where did you go to college? Beauty school doesn't count.

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Character obviously didn't count with Ian or Briles and his staff. Maybe that is why they are toxic and can only coach for well known scum like Lame Kiffin.

Most adults understand that working for a college it isn't working for the local garbage disposal company. There is some responsibility with trash that blows all over the campus.
Oh well, the Wall Street Journal splashed it worldwide and now no decent brand name can be associated with those guys.

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man... you are in a bad place.

I'm worried about you

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Don't worry about me. Worry about them. They had it made. Silence and patience would have allowed all to return. The door was open but they decided to take it off the hinges and start a fire in attempt to burn it down the whole house.
Those regents decided to fight fire with fire. Now, we start over and they are charred.

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A quick google search reveals that those words were not said on a text message. Keep it up sheep, your honorable and noble regents thank you.

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yeah, well if i'm running an apartment complex and some jackass thugs are trashing the place and smoking weed, and I work to get rid of it, I'm not gonna let some jackass small town hero football coach tell me what I can and cannot do.

i''m pretty sure THAT's in the text messages.

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Another quick google search reveals that no, it is not. Nothing about "trashing the place" - just some 20 year old "thugs" smoking pot. Probably the only Baylor students who do that. Horrendous.

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Dude, there is not apartment manager calling the police for weed smoking in the United States. Drug dealing, yes. Weed smoking, no.

How difficult is it not to have the police called on you?

Where did you go to college? Beauty school doesn't count.

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If you have mad drive thru skills, then who needs college. You don't think fried chicken buys and transports itself.

As a long time watcher this will go down as the biggest mistake in the last60 years. The oversite responsibility is at the bor.it is not reasonable to assume they had no knowledge of the problems.remember that they voted for a program that they did not fund..our Coach was responsible for building a winner score A+. Brought in funding the previous posts that the bor didn't know ever existed score A+ .it is the bor and adminstration job to handle student conduct. We dumped the one guy who could save the situation by taking responsibility for defending those who are responsible the bor.we could have admitted this and announcing a new fully staffed group who all these issues would be run through. A state of the art gold standard Dept and the coaching staff would be only responsible for coaching football. We could have looked like the good guys. Offering up Ian was no problem. Not sure why they didn't like Starr.but you don't fire the goose that laid the golden eggs and put us on the national map with the best football program we have ever had to turn us into yesterday's failure. We waited over 60 years.The last time the bor reacted so poorly was with deciding Frank Broyles looked too young to be or head coach when he was quarterback Coach with Adrian Burk and Hayden Fry.. Somehow he did pretty well at Arkansas when he wanted to stay at B.U. and we went down immediately

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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He was even more specific than that. He tied five coaches by name to the covering up of rapes, including the current head coach at Syracuse. If there is evidence, as he stated, of such criminal activity and Baylor has not acted upon that evidence by providing it to law enforcement (and after retaining the 3 coaches that remained on staff), then the university's administration is further criminally culpable. But, surely they provided this evidence of crimes to the Texas Rangers during their investigation?

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Robemcdo said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I just find it funny that a guy making $6 million a year was dumb enough to call his own players bad dudes on Company controlled device.


I'll bet he's gone to cell phone training since this.

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Those two words were never said together .There were about 3 sentences between the word bad and the word dudes . Don't believe everything rusty Hardin spits out

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Hey look, a different posting tone including local familiarity as someone else logs into the sock.

BearackObama said:

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A quick google search reveals that those words were not said on a text message. Keep it up sheep, your honorable and noble regents thank you.

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The exact quote was "Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?" Not said in a text message, but to an assistant coach.

That quote is not true
If you go through the messages you would find the word bad and you would find the word dudes . Just not one after the other

Art was so negligent to that poor victim that she wrote him a letter thanking him for his concern on her behalf

Minor detail

Robemcdo said:

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That quote is not true
If you go through the messages you would find the word bad and you would find the word dudes . Just not one after the other

Art was so negligent to that poor victim that she wrote him a letter thanking him for his concern on her behalf

Minor detail

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Of course that letter was before she learned she was mislead when told that there was nothing else that could be done. Judicial Affairs had never been informed.

Keyser Soze said:

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Robemcdo said:

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That quote is not true
If you go through the messages you would find the word bad and you would find the word dudes . Just not one after the other

Art was so negligent to that poor victim that she wrote him a letter thanking him for his concern on her behalf

Minor detail

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Of course that letter was before she learned she was mislead when told that there was nothing else that could be done. Judicial Affairs had never been informed.

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Art told her there was nothing to be done?

you sure about that?

Keyser Soze said:

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Robemcdo said:

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That quote is not true
If you go through the messages you would find the word bad and you would find the word dudes . Just not one after the other

Art was so negligent to that poor victim that she wrote him a letter thanking him for his concern on her behalf

Minor detail

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Of course that letter was before she learned she was mislead when told that there was nothing else that could be done. Judicial Affairs had never been informed.

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I have not heard about any victim learning they had been mislead by CAB. Will be interesting to see the evidence of this.

Yes, this is the one where Art was supposed to go to judicial affairs with an old allegation known to many other Baylor people who also didn't go to judicial affairs. So much so that we had to fire him.

It was Ian that said it. Both he & Briles knew JA should be informed and was not.

She was also entitled to various accommodations under T9 that were not made available to her.

Not knowing the T9 stuff is certainly plausible for Briles, but not the reporting to JA. Ian knew both.

This thread is like the old tale about WWII Japanese soldiers defending a remote island in the 1960s.

The war is over but the fight goes on.

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Yes, this is the one where Art was supposed to go to judicial affairs with an old allegation known to many other Baylor people who also didn't go to judicial affairs. So much so that we had to fire him.

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Everyone that knew and did not report this is gone.

Briles
Ian
Shillinglaw
Hill
Barnes
Barnes' Assisant
Baylor Chaplin

Keyser Soze said:

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Yes, this is the one where Art was supposed to go to judicial affairs with an old allegation known to many other Baylor people who also didn't go to judicial affairs. So much so that we had to fire him.

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Everyone that knew and did not report this is gone.

Briles
Ian
Shillinglaw
Hill
Barnes
Barnes' Assisant
Baylor Chaplin

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You didn't get them all.

But your theory, even at that, requires a conspiracy of inaction by a lot of good people.

It would be more honest to fess up and call this an institutional failing.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Yes, this is the one where Art was supposed to go to judicial affairs with an old allegation known to many other Baylor people who also didn't go to judicial affairs. So much so that we had to fire him.

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Everyone that knew and did not report this is gone.

Briles
Ian
Shillinglaw
Hill
Barnes
Barnes' Assisant
Baylor Chaplin

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You didn't get them all.

But your theory, even at that, requires a conspiracy of inaction by a lot of good people.

It would be more honest to fess up and call this an institutional failing.

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