Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
And he's even more out of touch to think what he -- or anyone else here -- thinks about our coaching situation has any influence whatsoever on Rhule or Rhoades' future at Baylor. Both were hired with the future in mind, and both will be given fair amounts of time to do the jobs they were hired to do, whether pockets of the Baylor fan base like them or not.Keyser Soze said:Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
You are really out of touch with how bad a situation Baylor was in 2016.
No coach with a decent resume (and Rhule had one) would have accepted a below P5 average salary to come to Baylor.
One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
Hell a good Texas high school coach like McGuire ..could've figured out a way to beat liberty and maybe kansas for 2 wins ... ..beating liberty ain't rocket science...Keyser Soze said:Jay Square said:
HellToo much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
You are really out of touch with how bad a situation Baylor was in 2016.
No coach with a decent resume (and Rhule had one) would have accepted a below P5 average salary to come to Baylor.
I agree. That fumble was a bummer.bear2be2 said:
The really frustrating part is I truly believe a touchdown on that first-and-goal from the 6 likely would have broken TCU's will and all but ensured a Baylor victory.
SwingDaddy said:
I'm willing to bet that Nixon is OC for only one more game.
Does anybody really think that Rhule brought Marcus Satterfield here to be a recruiting coordinator? I don't.
https://baylorbears.com/staff.aspx?staff=380
Sic 'Em
There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
Tom Stanton was as responsible for the Dave Bliss issue as Ian McCaw was for the Baylor University issue.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
Doc Holliday said:It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
Whats the smoking gun?xiledinok said:Doc Holliday said:It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
No, it actually happen. Your buddy who used Baylor as a hole like a ***** didn't have any problem taking that money after he was willing to snitch off his sins to hurt Baylor in a lawsuit.
It was a bad idea to use a school under these circumstances like a hole. It's a big reason why abusers and mentally disturbed Greg Hardy types get second chances in the NFL while the guy using the school as a hole now coaches in a recreational league in Europe.
Doc Holliday said:Whats the smoking gun?xiledinok said:Doc Holliday said:It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
No, it actually happen. Your buddy who used Baylor as a hole like a ***** didn't have any problem taking that money after he was willing to snitch off his sins to hurt Baylor in a lawsuit.
It was a bad idea to use a school under these circumstances like a hole. It's a big reason why abusers and mentally disturbed Greg Hardy types get second chances in the NFL while the guy using the school as a hole now coaches in a recreational league in Europe.
You don't have one.
Doc Holliday said:Whats the smoking gun?xiledinok said:Doc Holliday said:It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
No, it actually happen. Your buddy who used Baylor as a hole like a ***** didn't have any problem taking that money after he was willing to snitch off his sins to hurt Baylor in a lawsuit.
It was a bad idea to use a school under these circumstances like a hole. It's a big reason why abusers and mentally disturbed Greg Hardy types get second chances in the NFL while the guy using the school as a hole now coaches in a recreational league in Europe.
You don't have one.
Doc Holliday said:It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:It's a fabricated scandal and it carried the same effects as a real scandal.Bear8084 said:Doc Holliday said:There was no scandal.bear2be2 said:Well, we've avoided major scandal on his watch, so he's got that on his two immediate predecessors.57Bear said:One might ask if Rhoades has done any better than his football coach.Jay Square said:
Too much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
It was the BOR and Starr not doing their jobs and blaming football. Which included trashing innocent players and students on live television and pushing falsehoods as facts. Using entrapment law schemes and relying on hit pieces against Briles and student athletes.
It was a school wide problem and the BOR did their jobs of making the public perceive it as a football problem. That was their PR and self protection so they didn't get personally involved in lawsuits.
They are evil people.
Everyone on this site needs to wake TF up.
That's why the NCAA found nothing on Briles and the program, right? The BOR is guilty. So is Briles. It was and still is a scandal we are rebuilding from.
Lack of Institutional Control is not fabricated.
This makes way to much sense.Bubear2020 said:
Can I ask something of everyone that wants CMR fired? How bout we drop the firing comments for now and if next year were a win or two worse you can start them again or by his fourth year if we still haven't made a bowl game can you call for it again.
The reason I think it'll work out is one look at history. He did the same thing at temple and I know it's not power five but that also means no power five recruiting either.
Two a recruits dad said it this way "the coaching staff here at Baylor is one of the most impressive coaching staffs I've ever interacted with." His first son had 20+ D1 offers.
Because I'm a good baptist I'll stop at three even though i could continue. I think our defense is in a different place than ever before. I know they're still not great but after talking to a player on the defensive side he said "man that playbook is tough but I think we're all starting to come around on it and be able to play. We're all playing a lot looser now."
All that to say I know on the game field the results aren't there yet but the culture has changed, they're starting to understand the playbook, and they're wowing the pants off recruits. So before we jump all the way back to square one and start over let's just take a minute and see how the next year or two goes.
BUBBFAN said:This makes way to much sense.Bubear2020 said:
Can I ask something of everyone that wants CMR fired? How bout we drop the firing comments for now and if next year were a win or two worse you can start them again or by his fourth year if we still haven't made a bowl game can you call for it again.
The reason I think it'll work out is one look at history. He did the same thing at temple and I know it's not power five but that also means no power five recruiting either.
Two a recruits dad said it this way "the coaching staff here at Baylor is one of the most impressive coaching staffs I've ever interacted with." His first son had 20+ D1 offers.
Because I'm a good baptist I'll stop at three even though i could continue. I think our defense is in a different place than ever before. I know they're still not great but after talking to a player on the defensive side he said "man that playbook is tough but I think we're all starting to come around on it and be able to play. We're all playing a lot looser now."
All that to say I know on the game field the results aren't there yet but the culture has changed, they're starting to understand the playbook, and they're wowing the pants off recruits. So before we jump all the way back to square one and start over let's just take a minute and see how the next year or two goes.
BUBBFAN said:This makes way to much sense.Bubear2020 said:
Can I ask something of everyone that wants CMR fired? How bout we drop the firing comments for now and if next year were a win or two worse you can start them again or by his fourth year if we still haven't made a bowl game can you call for it again.
The reason I think it'll work out is one look at history. He did the same thing at temple and I know it's not power five but that also means no power five recruiting either.
Two a recruits dad said it this way "the coaching staff here at Baylor is one of the most impressive coaching staffs I've ever interacted with." His first son had 20+ D1 offers.
Because I'm a good baptist I'll stop at three even though i could continue. I think our defense is in a different place than ever before. I know they're still not great but after talking to a player on the defensive side he said "man that playbook is tough but I think we're all starting to come around on it and be able to play. We're all playing a lot looser now."
All that to say I know on the game field the results aren't there yet but the culture has changed, they're starting to understand the playbook, and they're wowing the pants off recruits. So before we jump all the way back to square one and start over let's just take a minute and see how the next year or two goes.
Stranger said:BUBBFAN said:This makes way to much sense.Bubear2020 said:
Can I ask something of everyone that wants CMR fired? How bout we drop the firing comments for now and if next year were a win or two worse you can start them again or by his fourth year if we still haven't made a bowl game can you call for it again.
The reason I think it'll work out is one look at history. He did the same thing at temple and I know it's not power five but that also means no power five recruiting either.
Two a recruits dad said it this way "the coaching staff here at Baylor is one of the most impressive coaching staffs I've ever interacted with." His first son had 20+ D1 offers.
Because I'm a good baptist I'll stop at three even though i could continue. I think our defense is in a different place than ever before. I know they're still not great but after talking to a player on the defensive side he said "man that playbook is tough but I think we're all starting to come around on it and be able to play. We're all playing a lot looser now."
All that to say I know on the game field the results aren't there yet but the culture has changed, they're starting to understand the playbook, and they're wowing the pants off recruits. So before we jump all the way back to square one and start over let's just take a minute and see how the next year or two goes.
An insider tells me the culture has changed
Very little. Same type of players.
Keyser Soze said:
Rhoads is the one who would fire him and it was Rhoads who gave him a seven year contract.
I think next year is year is the equivalent of year one for a normal circumstance hire. It would take under achieving for two more seasons to even make a consideration of termination. None of us has to agree with that, but why would you think the guy who handed out a seven year contract does not think that?
Well, I thought the same thing back on November 27, 2015 during the TCU monsoon and the very next week, after a week to allow our in-bred brain trust to think about it, we lost the UT Mall Fight to one of the worst UT teams in history.oldbear69 said:Hell a good Texas high school coach like McGuire ..could've figured out a way to beat liberty and maybe kansas for 2 wins ... ..beating liberty ain't rocket science...Keyser Soze said:Jay Square said:
HellToo much talk about firing Matt Rhule without first having a plan on where we want to go. The first thing would be to fire Mach Rhoades because he picked Rhule and also paid him twice as much as he should have. After hiring a new AD let that person hire the new football coach.
You are really out of touch with how bad a situation Baylor was in 2016.
No coach with a decent resume (and Rhule had one) would have accepted a below P5 average salary to come to Baylor.
