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Gameday Thread: #7 Baylor (5-1) at Marquette (5-2)

November 27, 2022
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#7 Baylor (5-1) travels to Marquette (5-2) Tuesday November 29th at 7:30pm CST in Milwaukee, Wisconsin as part of the Big12/Big East Challenge.  The game will be televised on FS1.  

KenPom Prediction:  Baylor 82 Marquette 76

Torvik Prediction:  Baylor 79 Marquette 76

Evan Miyakawa Prediction:  Baylor 80 Marquette 79

Coaches

Marquette:  Shaka Smart (45) 296-157 (24-15 at Marquette); 9 NCCAs; 1 Sweet 16; 1 Elite 8; 1 FF

Baylor:  Scott Drew (51); 424-234 overall (404-223 at Baylor); 10 NCAAs; 5 Sweet 16s; 3 Elite 8s; FF; 1 National Championship

Head to Head:  11-2 Drew

Marquette Starters

Guard:  Tyler Kolek (JR) 6-3 190 lbs 9 ppg; 5 reb; 8 asst; 41% FG; 43% 3pt; 81% FT

Guard:  Stevie Mitchell (SO) 6-2 195 lbs; 8 ppg; 3 reb; 43% FG; 35% 3pt; 64% FT

Guard:  Kam Jones (SO) 6-4 195 lbs; 13 ppg; 4 reb; 2 asst; 42% FG; 30% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward: Oso Ighodaro (JR) 6-9 215 lbs; 11 ppg; 6 reb; 3 asst; 61% FG; 42% FT

Forward:  Oliver-Maxence Prosper (JR) 6-8 230 lbs; 13 ppg; 5 reb; 55% FG; 31% 3pt; 67% FT

Marquette Bench

Guard:  Sean Jones (JR) 5-10 175 lbs; 6 ppg; 46% FG; 23% 3pt; 59% FT

Forward:  David Joplin (SO) 6-7 220 lbs; 11 ppg; 4 reb; 46% FG; 42% 3pt; 93% FT

Guard:  Chase Ross (FR) 6-4 195 lbs; 6 ppg; 2 reb; 47% FG; 27% 3pt; 78% FT

Baylor Starters

Guard:  Adam Flagler (SR) 6-3 185 lbs; 17 ppg; 3 reb; 7 asst; 52% FG; 54% 3pt; 100% FT

Guard:  LJ Cryer (JR) 6-1 190 lbs; 18 ppg; 2 reb; 2 asst; 48% FG; 38% 3pt; 100% FT

Guard:  Keyonte George (FR) 6-4 185 lbs; 15 ppg; 4 reb; 5 asst; 40% FG; 33% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward:  Jalen Bridges (JR) 6-7 225 lbs; 10 ppg; 4 reb; 2 asst; 49% FG; 20% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward:  Flo Thamba (SR) 6-10 250 lbs; 5 ppg; 5 reb; 1 blk; 90% FG; 41% FT

Baylor Bench

Guard:  Dale Bonner (SR) 6-2 170 lbs; 8 ppg; 2 reb; 4 asst; 2 st; 61% FG; 50% 3pt; 77% FT

Forward:  Caleb Lohner (JR) 6-8 235 lbs; 7 ppg; 5 reb; 63% FG; 50% 3pt; 71% FT

Guard:  Langston Love (FR) 6-5 210 lbs; 5 ppg; 2 reb; 44% FG; 39% 3pt; 71% FT

Forward:  Joshua Ojianwuna (FR) 6-10 235 lbs; 6 ppg; 4 reb; 1 blk; 80% FG; 69% FT

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Gameday Thread: #7 Baylor (5-1) at Marquette (5-2)

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9:22p, 11/29/22
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
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9:23p, 11/29/22
We just got our ass kicked in every way imaginable tonight.
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In reply to IowaBear • 9:23p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
What does chemistry have to do with individual defense? As individual defenders we are really poor like worst in a decade plus poor.


They are terrible individually and terrible in help once the initial defender gets broken down. It's a mess right now
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In reply to Quinton • 9:25p, 11/29/22
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
He has. He came into tonight with 43 assists to 11 turnovers.

Tonight sucked, no question. But there's no reason to turn it into a referendum on individual players' abilities or value.
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In reply to Quinton • 9:26p, 11/29/22
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
That's why I smh anytime people say Flagler is our PG. Not a knock on Flagler at all, but he is a scoring guard. Since we have no true PG I originally thought Grimes would get a lot of minutes at PG or even start, but they are redshirting him to stagger his eligibility with Bonner and Flagler, which makes sense.
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9:28p, 11/29/22
Embarrassing loss, to state the obvious. We'll find out a lot about how this team responds to adversity Friday night because it could easily be another rout if we don't come out at 100%. The UVA loss was a bad stretch for about 10 minutes. This was just an overall, solid, West Texas butt kicking.
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9:28p, 11/29/22
Dantwan grimes would've been valuable he's a big PG 6'3 I believe just like the great Jared butler
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In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 9:28p, 11/29/22
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Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
That's why I smh anytime people say Flagler is our PG. Not a knock on Flagler at all, but he is a scoring guard. Since we have no true PG I originally thought Grimes would get a lot of minutes at PG or even start, but they are redshirting him to stagger his eligibility with Bonner and Flagler, which makes sense.
Why are we trashing Flagler? He's the one guard who played well tonight.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:28p, 11/29/22
bear2be2 said:
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
He has. He came into tonight with 43 assists to 11 turnovers.

Tonight sucked, no question. But there's no reason to turn it into a referendum on individual players' abilities or value.
Not to speak for Quinton, but his post was not a knock on Flag's abilities or value. Flagler is lethal playing off the ball but is merely average trying to play PG.
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9:29p, 11/29/22
Not much to say about tonight. The offense looked better in the second half, but far from a good offensive game. Defense was absolutely tragic from start to finish. Let's hope we look better vs Gonzaga on Friday
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:29p, 11/29/22
bear2be2 said:
Crawfoso1973 said:
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
That's why I smh anytime people say Flagler is our PG. Not a knock on Flagler at all, but he is a scoring guard. Since we have no true PG I originally thought Grimes would get a lot of minutes at PG or even start, but they are redshirting him to stagger his eligibility with Bonner and Flagler, which makes sense.
Why are we trashing Flagler? He's the one guard who played well tonight.
No one is trashing Flagler....
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:29p, 11/29/22
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Quinton said:
bear2be2 said:
IowaBear said:
How are our guards defensively?? You keep conveniently avoiding that question. Are good guards not good on both ends of the court?
Bonner is pretty good. Flagler is decent. And Cryer and George are poor. But our help defense is every bit as big a problem as our on-ball defense currently.


Not really accurate. Bonner is decent but gets beat with a step consistently. Always overplaying. Only looks good in comparison to the putrid defense of the others. Flagler has regressed and gets beat constantly. Cryer is bad and George is bad as well.
Neither Bonner nor Flagler, who were plus defenders on last year's team, have regressed. They just don't have the same help behind them. Aggressive defenders will always get beat at times in a no middle defense. The key is quality help and sound rotations behind them. We're not getting either this year.


Again watch the tape. What I said is 100% accurate. You're just completely wrong here. Bonner again is only decent right now. It's right in front of you. He makes some plays and has decent hands but that doesn't make up for the easy spots guys are hitting on him.

Flagler hasn't been good.. lackadaisical and look slow footed. The other two have been bad
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9:30p, 11/29/22
I since we're gonna be way outside the top 25 after tonight and this Fridays dusting.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
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9:31p, 11/29/22
I re-watched the Kansas St. black-out game instead of this. How'd it turn out?
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In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 9:31p, 11/29/22
Crawfoso1973 said:
bear2be2 said:
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
He has. He came into tonight with 43 assists to 11 turnovers.

Tonight sucked, no question. But there's no reason to turn it into a referendum on individual players' abilities or value.
Not to speak for Quinton, but his post was not a knock on Flag's abilities or value. Flagler is lethal playing off the ball but is merely average trying to play PG.
He came in averaging nine assists per game and had a decent 5-to-3 assist-to-turnover ratio tonight.

Flagler was not our problem tonight. In fact, he's the only player on this team that has shown up every game this year.
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In reply to Big_Pumpin • 9:31p, 11/29/22
Big_Pumpin said:
I re-watched the Kansas St. black-out game instead of this. How'd it turn out?


What if I told you they were the same game?
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9:32p, 11/29/22
Shaka was merciful in the end and didn't let his team put up the 100 burger on us.
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9:34p, 11/29/22
Just got demolished by a mediocre team. Can't get much worse, uphill from here maybe
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9:34p, 11/29/22
Remember when Vital would get after dudes when we weren't playing well?

I saw a lack of emotion and leadership tonight.
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9:34p, 11/29/22
Houston beat Norfolk St by 48. We beat them by 17
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9:35p, 11/29/22
Most overrated athletic programs in the country,,
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In reply to vanillabryce • 9:37p, 11/29/22
Was thinking the exact same!
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In reply to oldbear69 • 9:38p, 11/29/22
Thought that title was reserved for the cows and pig farmers but yet here we are.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:38p, 11/29/22
bear2be2 said:
Crawfoso1973 said:
bear2be2 said:
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
He has. He came into tonight with 43 assists to 11 turnovers.

Tonight sucked, no question. But there's no reason to turn it into a referendum on individual players' abilities or value.
Not to speak for Quinton, but his post was not a knock on Flag's abilities or value. Flagler is lethal playing off the ball but is merely average trying to play PG.
He came in averaging nine assists per game and had a decent 5-to-3 assist-to-turnover ratio tonight.

Flagler was not our problem tonight. In fact, he's the only player on this team that has shown up every game this year.
Oh, I know Flagler was not our problem tonight. Our horrific team defense is the problem. I am only saying he is light years better off the ball than trying to play PG. He is doing admirably trying to play PG but that's really not his wheelhouse.
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In reply to Big_Pumpin • 9:38p, 11/29/22
Houston's a better team this year, nothing wrong with stating the obvious. They still won't win the Natty
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9:39p, 11/29/22
The newcomers have let us down this year.

George has become an often out-of-control volume scorer, Bridges is a no-show most nights and Lohner just isn't a particularly talented basketball player unfortunately.

We traded Jeremy Sochan, Kendall Brown and Matthew Mayer for three guys who haven't come close to replacing what those three brought on either end of the floor. That's going to have to change if we're going to get where we want to go.
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In reply to IowaBear • 9:39p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Just got demolished by a mediocre team. Can't get much worse, uphill from here maybe
I'm not so sure Marquette is mediocre. They play dang good D and that generates lots of points
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In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 9:41p, 11/29/22
Crawfoso1973 said:
Quinton said:
Thought Flagler would have greatly improved ball handling by working it all offseason but it's still so shaky against any pressure
That's why I smh anytime people say Flagler is our PG. Not a knock on Flagler at all, but he is a scoring guard. Since we have no true PG I originally thought Grimes would get a lot of minutes at PG or even start, but they are redshirting him to stagger his eligibility with Bonner and Flagler, which makes sense.
Love Flagler and thought he could have that breakout in skills when Mitchell came back after working all offseason but it hasn't happened. He is a pace guy and a natural scorer off the ball. Struggles against anyone speeding him up right now.
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9:41p, 11/29/22
A good number of folks have wondered if the departed Joey was the juice for the football team. Wonder if the same is true for Jerome Tang and this team.
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 9:42p, 11/29/22
Will see, have watched them a few times they're nothing special. Fringe ncaa team. Baylor's defense made them look all world. And sadly Baylor's defense is going to make a lot of teams who all world
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In reply to PaperBear89 • 9:42p, 11/29/22
PaperBear89 said:
A good number of folks have wondered if the departed Joey was the juice for the football team. Wonder if the same is true for Jerome Tang and this team.
Tang is missed, but I think it has more to do with Sochan.
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9:43p, 11/29/22
It looks like an NBA game. No defense, and a throw it up offense. This games made me sick. I did not expect this at all.
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9:46p, 11/29/22
Bear2 as painfully as it is for me to admit I'd right. We essentially struck out in the portal. I'll never understand signing Bridges. No one can convince me he was the best option. So many dudes who would have been major upgrades over him. Dudes that actually play the 4 willingly and are good at it. Lohner love is energy and effort but he's a 10-15 minute energy guy at best. I'll never understand why we didn't go get a true PG and a scoring big or a lockdown big to mask sone of the defenses woes
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9:46p, 11/29/22
I hate to say it, but that was a pick up game that was lost, and badly.
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9:49p, 11/29/22
We had a starting guard with 0 assists. That says a lot about where the chemistry is right now.
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