D. C. Bear said:

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cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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chriscbear said:

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More gun control needed obviously.

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no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough

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Hundreds of millions of guns in our country and massive non compliance with any future legislation aimed at guns. European/Western countries as evidence it would work is nonsense because of population size and culture.

It's insane to even suggest gun control. It would probably make the problem worse.

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If your culture means you have to have armed Guards, Metal Detectors and other "security" features at schools, then maybe your culture is the problem here?

Gun control isnt insane, letting regular citizens own High Powered Semi-Automatic Rifles with High capacity Magazines and all kinds of ammo designed to make them more lethal to Humans is what is insane

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Our "culture" didn't need metal detectors and security guards in schools 40 years ago, yet guns were everywhere. What changed?

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Our culture was its most violent 40 years ago. Violent crimes are down massively since then. And gun ownership is way up. But school shootings are also up. So what's the cause of incidents like today?

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Blasting horrible events like this on TV is up. People not being happy with their profession is up. Teenage girls considering suicide is up.

People are just plain not as happy as they were 40 years ago. We also feel less and less sense of community as time goes on.

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Well, it was morning in America 40 years ago.

It does seem like a real increase in school shootings, not just "blasting horrible events like this on TV."

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I am not arguing. The discussion is why that would be. I am saying the rise in wall to wall media coverage mirrors the rise in school shootings. There were many before Columbine, but both CNN and Fox recorded their highest ratings ever with their coverage of Columbine, and the rest is history. One of the many reasons prioritizing money making is incompatible with good fair journalism.

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There is a social contagion aspect of school shootings, but they remain extremely rare.

Some things that would be classified as "school shootings" in the past would have been "gang violence" that happened to take place in schools or drive by shootings that happened to be at schools. That's a qualitatively different from the lone gunman (or, in the case of Columbine, two gunmen) where mental illness underlies the murders in that they require different approaches to stop. I suspect that there is a real increase in cases where crazy people shoot up schools. Still, these are very rare events.

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Man imagine if you put this kinda energy all the other times it’s been a white male shooter

— Corey (@The_CoreyP) March 28, 2023

cowboycwr said:

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cms186 said:

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cms186 said:

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bearsocal said:

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chriscbear said:

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More gun control needed obviously.

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no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough

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What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?

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Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible

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Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.

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Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?

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False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....

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cms186 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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cms186 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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cms186 said:

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bearsocal said:

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cms186 said:

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chriscbear said:

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More gun control needed obviously.

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no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough

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What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?

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Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible

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Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.

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Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?

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False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....

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Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent

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This is Japan. Nobody steals the money. This would never happen in America. Why? pic.twitter.com/dhcXYAF8Uh

— E (@ElijahSchaffer) March 27, 2023

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This is a tough subject because I bet some wouldn't go to therapy or be honest if they knew they couldn't buy Guns or be put on a no buy list.

It's still shocking that people/parents want to help 12-15 yr olds transition. What a cluster we are creating.

BREAKING: Trans Nashville shooter Audrey Hale was under doctor's care for an emotional disorder.

America has a mental health problem.

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) March 28, 2023

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We are creating exactly what we were told we would become:

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in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof

2 Timothy 3:3

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This is a tough subject because I bet some wouldn't go to therapy or be honest if they knew they couldn't buy Guns or be put on a no buy list.

It's still shocking that people/parents want to help 12-15 yr olds transition. What a cluster we are creating.

BREAKING: Trans Nashville shooter Audrey Hale was under doctor's care for an emotional disorder.

America has a mental health problem.

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) March 28, 2023

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We are creating exactly what we were told we would become:

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in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof

2 Timothy 3:3

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that reads like a horoscope. I can't think of a time in history or society where all of that wasn't already happening

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is a tough subject because I bet some wouldn't go to therapy or be honest if they knew they couldn't buy Guns or be put on a no buy list.

It's still shocking that people/parents want to help 12-15 yr olds transition. What a cluster we are creating.

BREAKING: Trans Nashville shooter Audrey Hale was under doctor's care for an emotional disorder.

America has a mental health problem.

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) March 28, 2023

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We are creating exactly what we were told we would become:

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in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof

2 Timothy 3:3

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that reads like a horoscope. I can't think of a time in history or society where all of that wasn't already happening

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It's saying the vast majority of all men become this way. It will be extremely rare to find those who don't fit that description.

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If this is real, I hope this person (whoever Aiden is messaging) took this seriously and alerted Aiden's family and the authorities. Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

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If this is real, I hope this person (whoever Aiden is messaging) took this seriously and alerted Aiden's family and the authorities. Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

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If this is real, I hope this person (whoever Aiden is messaging) took this seriously and alerted Aiden's family and the authorities. Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

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If this is real, I hope this person (whoever Aiden is messaging) took this seriously and alerted Aiden's family and the authorities. Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

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With her history and issues. It's likely this isn't a the first for those kind of messages. Boy who cried wolf.

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If this is real, I hope this person (whoever Aiden is messaging) took this seriously and alerted Aiden's family and the authorities. Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

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With her history and issues. It's likely this isn't a the first for those kind of messages. Boy who cried wolf.

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I've now read that she was also high functioning on the autism spectrum. Not sure if true, but it out there now.

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More gun control needed obviously.

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no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough

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What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?

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Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible

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Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.

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Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?

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False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....

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Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent

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SIC EM 94 said:

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If this is real, I hope this person (whoever Aiden is messaging) took this seriously and alerted Aiden's family and the authorities. Unfortunately though, I doubt it.

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She did in fact contact the police. Her call was handled by her being put on hold, transferred around, etc… Personally I don't think it would have made a difference based on the timing of the events.

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Jack Bauer said:

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This is like the exact opposite of Uvalde - God Bless these police officers.

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cowboycwr said:

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This is like the exact opposite of Uvalde - God Bless these police officers.

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Exact opposite. You can see the guy with the pistol not hesitating to be lead at times. Same for the guy with the shotgun.

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cowboycwr said:

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More gun control needed obviously.

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no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough

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What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?

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Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible

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Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.

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Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?

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False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....

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Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent

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I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.

This is Japan. Nobody steals the money. This would never happen in America. Why? pic.twitter.com/dhcXYAF8Uh

— E (@ElijahSchaffer) March 27, 2023

If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.

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We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.

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Guns in the hands of the mentally unstable has always been a recipe for disaster. Too bad we can't have honest discussions about the mental health issues of transgenderism.

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In state after state in the south, we are are removing background checks.

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