"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

For asking Mike Pence to make sure that there was no fraud before certifying it and then Mike Pence betrayed Trump and his voters. Mike Pence will NEVER get my vote. Trump 2024!

Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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We need a real ass kickin' Texan in the White House, not a fake cowboy that likes to buy a ranch in a small town less than a year before he announces he's running for president so he can have photos taken of fake clearing brush.

Chuck Norris for Prez. I will not change my mind.

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Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...

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You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...

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Ahh, that old lie.

Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.

I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.

That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.

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The knuckle-dragging posts by the tribal binaries than cannot apply critical thinking gets exhausting. Not wanting to become a fascist-style banana republic is not related to one's love of Trump. Some things are more important than immature political opinions.

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Yeah, allowing a candidate to substitute electors of his choosing after losing screams sophisticated Democracy! "No Banana Republic Here"...

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i would ask you if you would have arrested Stacey Abrams but your too chicken **** to answer.

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What are you talking about??? What has Stacey Abrams done to be arrested? I guess I missed a press cycle? Fill me in on what she did and I will tell you

As for the chicken **** part, chicken **** of what? Your scathing wit? You guys really take yourself a too seriously. Don't tell me your father questioned you once, once...

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she claimed an election was stolen you moron regard, which is for what Trump was arrested. I mean are you really this stupid or just playing regressive on TV?

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Geez, you are stupid. Trump is not indicted for saying he won. He is indicted for what he did.

Trump was charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, witness tampering, conspiracy against the rights of citizens, and obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. None of those are 1st Amendment or based on him saying the elections was stolen. Get it?

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Read the indictment. Turn off CNN you regarded mouthbreather. You're why people wanted literacy tests to vote.

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You keep main-lining Breitbart and Newsmax, they may be right sometime in the future. Even better, do what Master Trump tells you, we'll converse from jail.

Donald said it's legal. It's the peoples house, they can't keep us out, Pence can choose any electors he wants.... Geez, you are a gullible idiot.

How many from Jan 6th were found guilty? Oh yeah, it's all a left wing, deep state conspiracy. Yeah, that's it. These people did nothing wrong. You went to Baylor? They gave you a Diploma? What year, so I can tell people I graduated before you when they actually taught.

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Notice I keep discussing primary facts and evidence, and you keep discussing me.

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What? You went personal first , I thought you wanted to do the cut down fight routine...

Ok, I laid out the facts of what Trump did and that it was not 1st Amendment. He tried to change the election results in 7 states with fake electors. Overthrowing an election is illegal, it is legal not political. As we are finding out. If he is acquited, I will be the first to give you props. Don't think that is happening and it has nothing to do with a conspiracy.

You don't get indicted for multiple states, several being Republican, without it being a little bit of a him issue.

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So did Clinton. I would ask you if you support indicted Clinton on the same charges, but I suspect you'll avoid. Clinton tried to overthrow an election too. So did most of the Democrat Congress. In fact we spent $40M on a fake investigation based on intelligence from a Russian spy laundered through the Clinton campaign to the Obama Administration all in attempt to overthrow and election. Since I see the world with tribal eyes and a political fundamentalism, I can understand why a banana-republic style two-tiered justice system is not the right answer. I'll leave you with your Trumpgasm. There are myriad left-wing legal scholars that can see a banana republic, National Socialist-style beer hall putsch when they see one.

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Geez, do you read other people's posts before responding? I said yes numerous times, Clinton, Biden, and FBI leadership should have been investigated, taken to a Grand Jury and indicted.
Why they weren't I have no idea. Let's ask Trump why his DOJ didn't do what he should? GOP had 2 years of Congress and Senate control, nothing. Why? Ryan should be hammered over that. Those screw ups don't give Trump a pass. At the very least he needs to answer for it in court,if he is found not guilty. So be it. But 2029 & Jan 6 was serious enough to follow through. Just like Russiagate and FBI abuse, why they didn't is a mystery to me.

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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We need a real ass kickin' Texan in the White House, not a fake cowboy that likes to buy a ranch in a small town less than a year before he announces he's running for president so he can have photos taken of fake clearing brush.

Chuck Norris for Prez. I will not change my mind.

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Yeah, Chuck Norris supported the guy who won 2 elections for president

Never Trump

The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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Garbage argument. An amendment cannot override the clear text of Article II.

Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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he isnt charged with any of that.. so its not a thing

Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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A very informative rebuttal to Blackman and Tillman re: president as officer of the United States. Thanks for posting.

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And this from someone claiming to hate ad hominem posts.

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Never said anything of the sort. I respond in like kind to @ssholes such as yourself.

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You just made another ad hominem right there.

Do you even know what the phrase means?

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Never said I wouldn't respond to an ad hominem with an ad hominem.

What part of, I respond in like kind to @ssholes. don't you understand?

Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

All that tells me, is that you are obsessed with feces-producing orifices.

That, and ducking valid opinions you don't like.

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For asking Mike Pence to make sure that there was no fraud before certifying it and then Mike Pence betrayed Trump and his voters. Mike Pence will NEVER get my vote. Trump 2024!

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Are you against honesty?

Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

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Absolutely it's a Republican problem. I didn't suggest otherwise. But at least with the other candidates, we can have hope that number rises when they get more exposure and some of the candidates drop out of the field. With Trump, you pretty much know what you're going to get. That approval rating is going to hover at or under 40%.

amateur hour https://t.co/WG1xAKs8pp

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) August 14, 2023

A link to the document which has since disappeared from the Fulton Co. website is now live and can be located here in our story: https://t.co/l4ak3pYc34

— Sarah N. Lynch (@SarahNLynch) August 14, 2023

...Since witnesses are still reportedly testifying, it is hard to explain how a docket entry on the details of the indictment would be drafted, let alone posted, if the report is true.

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) August 14, 2023

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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he isnt charged with any of that.. so its not a thing

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You missed the point of the post

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Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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he isnt charged with any of that.. so its not a thing

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You missed the point of the post

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did I? Or did you miss the point

You can't apply a law of consequence without first proving a consequence should be applied.

If you think he broke the law, the charge hin. Let a jury of his peers decide and then apply the consequence. We are a nation of Law and order that have proceedures that must be followed.

If this was Joe Biden being barred from public service because he and his family might have done some shady deals, you would not be so giddy. You would say prove it in court first. Apply the same standard.

Georgia Grand Juror Exposed...pic.twitter.com/KQlRvgeRSq

— C3PMeme (@C3PMeme) August 15, 2023

Chaos

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Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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Garbage argument. An amendment cannot override the clear text of Article II.

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Have no idea how good their argument is but the idea that amendments are given less weight than the original text is a figment of your imagination.

Promoting signature verification: A criminal act in Georgia. pic.twitter.com/1tZjXndat5

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) August 15, 2023

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Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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Garbage argument. An amendment cannot override the clear text of Article II.

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Have no idea how good their argument is but the idea that amendments are given less weight than the original text is a figment of your imagination.

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only SCOTUS can judge which holds more weight when two rules are in conflict.

5th amendment may come into play as well in GA..

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The argument comes courtesy of University of Chicago law professor William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law. In the draft posted on SSRN, which is scheduled to be published next year in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, they argue that Trump is barred from becoming president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. That clause, in summary, says that no person who previously swore to support the Constitution but then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" can be allowed to hold any federal or state office.

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Garbage argument. An amendment cannot override the clear text of Article II.

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Have no idea how good their argument is but the idea that amendments are given less weight than the original text is a figment of your imagination.

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only SCOTUS can judge which holds more weight when two rules are in conflict.

5th amendment may come into play as well in GA..

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In Georgia, didn't the Prosecutor open themselves up to 5th Amendment when they went RICO?

Jack Bauer said:

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Promoting signature verification: A criminal act in Georgia. pic.twitter.com/1tZjXndat5

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) August 15, 2023

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There are a lot of these floating around. Kirk and others do not understand that the indictment does not allege that these acts in themselves are unlawful.

Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

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Trump is tearing apart the Republican party. It would be best if Trump stepped aside and let the competition for the nomination to move forward. Trump has had his chance as president. It is time for someone else.

Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

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Trump is tearing apart the Republican party. It would be best if Trump stepped aside and let the competition for the nomination to move forward. Trump has had his chance as president. It is time for someone else.

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Not how it works. If someone thinks they should get the nomination, let them win over the GOP voters, Me, I like DeSantis and will consider Scott, but Trump has the same right to run as Pence, Christie, or anyone else I don't care for.

Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

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Trump is tearing apart the Republican party. It would be best if Trump stepped aside and let the competition for the nomination to move forward. Trump has had his chance as president. It is time for someone else.

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Absurd. Trump isn't tearing the Republican party apart. Democrats, the media, liberals, "journalists', progressives, etc... are pitting Republicans against each other. So far, it seems to be working.

And no, I'm not voting for Trump in the primary.

They understand it just fine, they are deliberately using bad faith arguments because that's really all they have left.

Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

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Trump is tearing apart the Republican party. It would be best if Trump stepped aside and let the competition for the nomination to move forward. Trump has had his chance as president. It is time for someone else.

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Not how it works. If someone thinks they should get the nomination, let them win over the GOP voters, Me, I like DeSantis and will
consider Scott, but Trump has the same right to run as
Pence, Christie, or anyone else I don't care for.

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Trump is an incumbent that lost his re-election. It is time for him to hand over the reins of the party to new blood. Of course Trump does not have a good history of willfully relinquishing power and control.

Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Trump is popular only among Republicans. He is very unpopular outside of that demographic."

Let's look at that.

There is a NY Times/Siena poll dated August 1 for all registered voters which shows Trump with 41% 'somewhat or very favorable' opinion of Trump, versus 43% for Biden, but only 39% 'strong or somewhat approve' of Biden's job as President.

DeSantis holds 31% favorability in that poll.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-toplines.html


A July 25 YouGov poll gives Trump 40% favorable support (46 male, 36 female) , versus 44% for Biden (45 male, 44 female)

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf

A Harvard-Harris poll from July 17 gives Trump 45% favorability to Biden's 39%, but says the Republicans and Democrats both suffer from net disapproval.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/HHP_July2023_KeyResults.pdf

You are correct that if Trump is to win, he is going to need to improve his support among women. The bigger problem is that this would be true for any Republican. The good news is that Biden's economic performance is so bad that he can create the opportunity for the GOP nominee.

The numbers tell us it's a race, and the calendar says there is a long way to go to produce a winner.

Anyone pretending to know the outcome now has basically given up and is an anti-cheerleader for our nation by now.

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Yes, Trump's average approval rating hovers at or below 40%. That indicates he's not very popular outside of Republicans, just FYI.

Now, that's not to say Biden is popular. As I said above, Trump's only hope - as unpopular as he is - is that Biden is even less popular. But Biden has consistently polled better than Trump in approval rating - not by much of course, but enough.

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Look closer, Mothra. No Republican is polling well right now. So if you think this is just a Trump problem, you are missing a lot of the landscape.

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Trump is tearing apart the Republican party. It would be best if Trump stepped aside and let the competition for the nomination to move forward. Trump has had his chance as president. It is time for someone else.

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Not how it works. If someone thinks they should get the nomination, let them win over the GOP voters, Me, I like DeSantis and will
consider Scott, but Trump has the same right to run as
Pence, Christie, or anyone else I don't care for.

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Trump is an incumbent that lost his re-election. It is time for him to hand over the reins of the party to new blood in the party. Of course Trump does not have a good history of willfully relinquishing power and control.

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That's your opinion. Others obviously disagree.

If Trump wins the nomination, it's because most of the GOP voters want him.

For good or ill, that's how this works. We're not the DNC who rigged 2016 for Hillary and 2020 for Biden, and 2024 for a corpse to be named later.

Trump lost the 2020 election. Thus he is a loser. The Republicans need to put forth a candidate that is a winner.

It was never proven in court that the election was rigged.

HuMcK said:

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They understand it just fine, they are deliberately using bad faith arguments because that's really all they have left.

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Not even the Soviet Communist Party did this type of legal weaponization during its last years in power.

Guy Noir said:

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Trump lost the 2020 election. Thus he is a loser. The Republicans need to put forth a candidate that is a winner.

It was never proven in court that the election was rigged.

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Who are you talking to?

We're looking at 2024, not 2020.