Obama sold guns to cartels and didn't track them. Those guns were used to kill federal agents. The Obama administration lied constantly about racial issues and created the violent BLM arm of the democrat party. Obama supported the green energy scam with Solyndra and cash for clunkers. The Obama administration violated the Hatch Act and shook down the insurance industry. The DREAM act was passed by executive order. The Obama administration was criminal, and anyone claiming they were transparent is either a liar or, well, there really is no other option.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?

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You really had me going for a bit; all this best path, love for grandson stuff. You almost sounded like you cared for others.

Then your typical selfishness reared its ugly head. "Suspicious looking".

It's never about the kids, is it? It's always you first and consequences second. Repeatedly!

You don't afford the nation the same.

Drug addiction >>> consequences >>>response

Sex addiction >>> consequences >>>response

Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?

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What I'm hearing is that we should build memorials to all the "rat people" who die of drug overdoses and treat them the same way we do the terror victims of 9/11. I'm sure that's what KaiBear is trying to say.

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What I'm saying is, you need to quit listening to those voices in your head.

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It seems we're all in agreement that politicians lie.

So what's the solution? Limit their power, or keep adding to it indefinitely?

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I had to hide my laugh behind my mask when Sam started going own about limited power and government lies.

The dudes a hoot

Q: On the Venezuelans boats, why not have the Coast Guard stop them? This way you can confirm who's on the boat and ensure that they're doing what they suspect.

Trump: They have faster boats. I don't know about the fishing industry. If you want to go fishing, a lot of people… pic.twitter.com/5KSLSzj9rP

— FactPost (@factpostnews) October 15, 2025

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Q: On the Venezuelans boats, why not have the Coast Guard stop them? This way you can confirm who's on the boat and ensure that they're doing what they suspect.

Trump: They have faster boats. I don't know about the fishing industry. If you want to go fishing, a lot of people… pic.twitter.com/5KSLSzj9rP

— FactPost (@factpostnews) October 15, 2025

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I guess some were getting through based on the performance of boats used by the drug runners. That provides some justification for blowing them up.

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Q: On the Venezuelans boats, why not have the Coast Guard stop them? This way you can confirm who's on the boat and ensure that they're doing what they suspect.

Trump: They have faster boats. I don't know about the fishing industry. If you want to go fishing, a lot of people… pic.twitter.com/5KSLSzj9rP

— FactPost (@factpostnews) October 15, 2025

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I guess some were getting through based on the performance of boats used by the drug runners. That provides some justification for blowing them up.

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Just to be clear, they have boats that can outrun our boats and helicopters?

Our government represents us. I'm not comfortable with this action without proof. Trust me isn't enough for me.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?

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False choice. Both can and should be done. Doing one doesn't prevent doing the other.

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Q: On the Venezuelans boats, why not have the Coast Guard stop them? This way you can confirm who's on the boat and ensure that they're doing what they suspect.

Trump: They have faster boats. I don't know about the fishing industry. If you want to go fishing, a lot of people… pic.twitter.com/5KSLSzj9rP

— FactPost (@factpostnews) October 15, 2025

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I guess some were getting through based on the performance of boats used by the drug runners. That provides some justification for blowing them up.

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Just to be clear, they have boats that can outrun our boats and helicopters?

Our government represents us. I'm not comfortable with this action without proof. Trust me isn't enough for me.

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Google up "Cartels of the Sun."

These strikes are NOT drug enforcement. They are kinetic foreign policy against an adversarial regime. Conceptually the same thing as seizing assets of Russian oligarch in order to pressure the Putin regime.

You are asking the wrong questions. What we should be discussing is: why would we NOT use US military to destroy drug trafficking networks abroad? Why would we watch & wait and try to capture/prosecute them as they approach our border? And when we know, as an uncontentious fact, that a cartel has been afforded safehaven to operate from/within a hostile state....isn't that a foreign policy problem? How does that structure differ from what the Taliban did with AQ?

This is just the start of a bigger plan. We are going to take down the Maduro regime, wholly or partly, just like we did the Mullah regime in Iran, the Assad regime in Syria, proxy forces Hizballah, Hamas, Houthis, etc...... Slowly isolating and neutering/destroying all the rouge regimes acting as defacto proxies for our much larger adversaries.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?

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You really had me going for a bit; all this best path, love for grandson stuff. You almost sounded like you cared for others.

Then your typical selfishness reared its ugly head. "Suspicious looking".

It's never about the kids, is it? It's always you first and consequences second. Repeatedly!

You don't afford the nation the same.

Drug addiction >>> consequences >>>response

Sex addiction >>> consequences >>>response

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Of course the 3rd world, ***** hunter does not want the drug boats bombed………

he has repeatedly advocated for legalizing ALL hard narcotics. Even though such legalization would obviously make such deadly drugs more accessible.

As long as the consequences of such action do not effect him directly, he doesn't give a damn.

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Sam Lowry said:

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It seems we're all in agreement that politicians lie.

So what's the solution? Limit their power, or keep adding to it indefinitely?

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I had to hide my laugh behind my mask when Sam started going own about limited power and government lies.

The dudes a hoot

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Lockdown Harder Sam cares so much about limiting executive power.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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I'm ok with it…anything to stop this horror

[In 2023, there were 72,776 overdose deaths involving synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl) in the U.S., a slight decrease from 73,838 deaths in 2022. ]

For a long time, cartels played a game where they used law against the US. While they were in some foreign nation's waters, the US could not strike wo causing an international incident, and if caught in US waters, they had well-paid lawyers to make conviction hard.

The Trump Administration recognized this and also understands that conditions are different in international waters. Also, bear in mind that in international waters the cartels have commonly armed their boats to protect against rivals, but it also justifies, however loosely, calling the cartel boats enemy combatants.

Given the behavior of the cartels, the threat is real and justifies deadly force.

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Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

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That isn't the issue. The real issues are 1) which way yields longer lasting results, and 2) which way puts our people in less danger. Also, I'm not allergic to discomfort.

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I think it is the issue. What would prevent another country blowing up a USA Boat and claiming they were terrorist?

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The fact that the USA would repay them at least tenfold, probably more?

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Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

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That isn't the issue. The real issues are 1) which way yields longer lasting results, and 2) which way puts our people in less danger. Also, I'm not allergic to discomfort.

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I think it is the issue. What would prevent another country blowing up a USA Boat and claiming they were terrorist?

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The fact that the USA would repay them at least tenfold, probably more?

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But how could the USA be morally justified in "repaying" another country for doing the very actions that the USA is doing? Make no mistake, the USA actions of blowing up boats, are acts of war.

Guy Noir said:

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Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

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That isn't the issue. The real issues are 1) which way yields longer lasting results, and 2) which way puts our people in less danger. Also, I'm not allergic to discomfort.

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I think it is the issue. What would prevent another country blowing up a USA Boat and claiming they were terrorist?

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The fact that the USA would repay them at least tenfold, probably more?

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But how could the USA be morally justified in "repaying" another country for doing the very actions that the USA is doing? Make no mistake, the USA actions of blowing up boats, are acts of war.

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It doesn't matter.

(notwithstanding the fact that it can't be "the very actions" if you take it completely out of context and, further, don't even provide any substitute context)

Guy Noir said:

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Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

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That isn't the issue. The real issues are 1) which way yields longer lasting results, and 2) which way puts our people in less danger. Also, I'm not allergic to discomfort.

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I think it is the issue. What would prevent another country blowing up a USA Boat and claiming they were terrorist?

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The fact that the USA would repay them at least tenfold, probably more?

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But how could the USA be morally justified in "repaying" another country for doing the very actions that the USA is doing? Make no mistake, the USA actions of blowing up boats, are acts of war.

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You are exactly right. It's what happens when foreign entities/terrorist jack with the US when we have a president with a functioning brain.

Guy Noir said:

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Guy Noir said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

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That isn't the issue. The real issues are 1) which way yields longer lasting results, and 2) which way puts our people in less danger. Also, I'm not allergic to discomfort.

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I think it is the issue. What would prevent another country blowing up a USA Boat and claiming they were terrorist?

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The fact that the USA would repay them at least tenfold, probably more?

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But how could the USA be morally justified in "repaying" another country for doing the very actions that the USA is doing? Make no mistake, the USA actions of blowing up boats, are acts of war.

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There was this thing called the War on Drugs. The US had run up the white flag until our sitting president was re-elected.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?

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I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .

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Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.

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LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .

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If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming

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Naive

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It's actually distrust on your side.

Remember Jade Helm? No amount of explanation was gonna get conservatives to believe the truth.

The great irony is conservatives were outraged at the thought of military deployments which is what is being done in American cities today.

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Yes buddy

The politicians you like tell you the truth

Sweet little fella

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Why are you honest people starting to behave as if this is all normal? Blowing up boats in international waters? Our Navy/Coast guard can't arrest? We can all say disagree on politics.

Are we ok if Columbia starts shooting US boats in the Caribbean saying they are gun runners?

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Context clues help quite a bit with this one. What kind of boats are we striking? Where are they? Who's on them? How are they behaving? What's on them? What has our coast guard's experience been trying to catch them?

Who are you afraid that we are killing, and why would we be doing it?

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We don't really have any information. "Speed" boats don't disclose their fuel and payload capacities.

I am afraid that we are killing ourselves. Might makes right isn't who we are.

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I'm pretty sure we have surveillance drones capable of getting an ID on the boats and seeing what is being loaded.