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Example 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.

Unbelievable.

I don’t want to hear another word about foreign influence from the crowd that defends Tucker.

He brings on agents actively working and being paid by foreign enemy governments to push nonsense and the same people who spend all day posting about AIPAC are silent. https://t.co/JikrS11t3W

— AG (@AGHamilton29) November 10, 2025

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Yeah, registering with FARA is as shady as it gets. The only foreign agents I trust are the anonymous ones.

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We all know the Fuentes wing of the Right would be up in arms if Tucker was doing a fluff piece on Israel by interviewing a Zionist from AIPAC without disclosing his membership in same.

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The neocon right wants to lump all of Tucker's guests in with Fuentes in order to silence disagreement across the board--on Russia, Iran, Israel, Venezuela, etc. This will backfire and end up making Fuentes more popular.

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I disagree. I'm not aware of anyone of significance arguing that there are not legitimate alternative views on Russia, Iran, Israel, Venezuela, etc.

The issue is that Tucker has guests with clear and material connections to/interests in those countries that he does not disclose. In addition, as a general rule, Tucker hardly challenges folks in those camps, while grilling the other side.

FWIW:

I'm pro-Israel and have always placed far more blame on their Muslim neighbors. But I see no reason why we give them so much direct $ aid these days. They are a wealthy country. Support them politically and militarily, but stop sending $ hundreds of billions.

I don't think we should invade Venezuela or threaten to.

Nigeria is far too complex to think we can go in there and protect Christians, as much as I wish we could.

As you well know, I despise Putin's Russia and believe, after China, they by far are our biggest geopolitical threat. I pray every day for a Ukraine deal and lasting peace.

Iran is fairly simple to me. It is clear they've always worked toward nukes, and I believe them when they say they will use them. Iran also sponsors organizations that murder Americans and our closest allies.

I would feel 100% comfortable sharing these views in any conservative, even MAGA, setting. What Tucker is doing/saying is in a different universe entirely.

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Iran actually has a fatwa against the use of nuclear weapons.

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North Korea was a signatory to the Agreed Framework, which required its adherence to the NPT and banned its nuclear weapons program, in exchange for millions of dollars in fuel and the funding of two light-water nuclear reactors. And then of course we later find out they had continued their clandestine program (with the "aid" we used to incentivize the regime to cease its program) and is now a nuclear power in large part because of us.

In other words, if you actually think Iran's fatwa against nuclear weapons is going to stop them or that a despotic regime will act in good faith, I have some oceanfront property in AZ for you.

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Yes, that's the neocon line. The point is that you can believe Iran or not, but don't believe they said something they never said.

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Nobody has suggested attacking NK. Regardless, we know just like the dictator, Putin, you'll buy whatever they say, hook, line and sinker.

You're a hoot.

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This is an outstanding interview in terms of working through these issues.

Steve Deace, Christian Zionist, goes to an Assembly of God church.

Auron MacIntyre, Christian Nationalist, Paleoconservative of the mold of Pat Buchahan.

They are friends and have a very rational discussion. MacIntyre raises the issue that this may be an attempt to sideline JD Vance as the obvious heir apparent to the MAGA movement and GOP frontrunner in 2028. One thing becomes clear: there are bad actors in the GOP that are slandering people as "anti-semites" who clearly are not.

It really is worth watching.

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When one issues foreign policy proposals with profoundly bad premises and reasoning, it does beg questions about underlying motives. That is particularly true for critics of Israel, who are so out of touch with reality, misquoting and miscontextualizing and misapplying lessaons of history, that it begs questions of bad intent.

The problem for the supporters of Israel is that its hard to address that dynamic without violating Godwin's Law

Very interesting but Rod Dreher points out this whole fight over Israel and Jews and Podcasts is also a proxy fight between the older forcers of Right-liberalism and the new Right/Post Liberal Right.

[Let me start by pointing out that even though I find it unpleasant to watch the Right tearing itself up over this anti-Semitism fight, it is an important and necessary one and one that the Left pointedly is not having among itself. There are some voices on the Right who believe that we conservatives should simply shut up about our internal differences, and focus on the Left. I strongly disagree.

If "fighting the Left" means that we have to absorb Jew hatred and race hatred more generally into our team, then it won't have been worth it.

What I see developing is an inability on both sides of this argument to make distinctions. For example, some defenders of pro-Groypers among Gen Z assume that to oppose them is to put oneself on the side of the GOP Old Guard, of whom Mike Pence is a classic figure. This is straw-manning of the first degree.

It is certainly true that some of these older right-wing figures really do want to go back to the Days Of St. Ronaldus Magnus, but even if it were desirable (it's not), it is not possible. The Boomercons (and Gen Xers like Ted Cruz, who is ideologically aligned with them), simply must come to terms with this. Attacking the nascent antisemites among us is necessary, but to do so by invoking a president who was out of office, and maybe even dead, before most of these people were born is not going to get the job done.

Postliberal conservatives people like Patrick Deneen, Johnny Burtka, me, and others recognized a while back that the old order is dead, and we are trying to hammer out a meaningful successor. We don't always agree with each other, but so what? There are no clear answers for the future; this has to be worked out as we go along, in debate and conversation. At ISI, Johnny has been doing that, and doing it well.

As I've been writing here, the sudden rise of Jew hatred among the younger generations on the Right is alarming and disgusting but the strategy to fight it will be impotent if the only answer is RETVRN TO 1988. Reminds me of Germans in 1928 who thought that all the turmoil and instability of the Weimar Republic would be solved if we would just put the Kaiser back on the throne.

I say that as a prelude to answering this "Open Letter to the Conservative Movement" authored by two former presidents of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI), which is now led by Johnny Burtka. The whole thing is too long to reproduce here; follow the link to read it all. Excerpts:

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The battle for the heart and soul of the American Conservative Movement is being fought on many fronts, with the latest trench warfare occurring in the boardrooms of its long-standing and most influential foundations and think tanks. The recent controversy @Heritage points to how Conservatism's venerable institutions have been infiltrated and quietly taken over by a tight-knit, fringe group of post-liberal thinkers who believe America has been "off the rails" since the Founding.

In their minds, the Declaration and Constitution must take a backseat to usher in a new, post-democratic, post-capitalist economic system that advocates isolationism, an immigration ban, and a domestic policy that blurs distinctions between church and state. While often described as MAGA or populist, this group is more tightly aligned to the philosophy of media crank @TuckerCarlson than President Trump's agenda....

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OK. So. I am not privy to the inner workings of ISI, though I am good friends with Johnny Burtka, and I trust him. It is a filthy smear to try to tar Johnny with Nick Fuentes! What this looks like to me, from Messrs. Long and Lynch both financiers, according to their biographies is an attempt to silence important and needed conservations with figures of the New Right who must be engaged if conservatism is to be relevant. Conservatism is not a church, with fixed dogmas and an authoritative hierarchy, but a way of thinking about politics and their relation to life and tradition.

Patrick Deneen, in his must-read book Why Liberalism Failed, explains why the kind of right-liberalism (= Reaganism) espoused by the traditional conservative institutions is dead now. You don't have to like that conclusion, but almost 40 years after Reagan left office, the world has changed dramatically and conservatism, if it is to be viable, has to change to account for the real world. You can't refute Deneen by canceling him. Eppur si muove.] -Rod Dreher

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Very interesting but Rod Dreher points out this whole fight over Israel and Jews and Podcasts is also a proxy fight between the older forcers of Right-liberalism and the new Right/Post Liberal Right.

[Let me start by pointing out that even though I find it unpleasant to watch the Right tearing itself up over this anti-Semitism fight, it is an important and necessary one and one that the Left pointedly is not having among itself. There are some voices on the Right who believe that we conservatives should simply shut up about our internal differences, and focus on the Left. I strongly disagree.

If "fighting the Left" means that we have to absorb Jew hatred and race hatred more generally into our team, then. it won't have been worth it.

What I see developing is an inability on both sides of this argument to make distinctions. For example, some defenders of pro-Groypers among Gen Z assume that to oppose them is to put oneself on the side of the GOP Old Guard, of whom Mike Pence is a classic figure. This is straw-manning of the first degree.

It is certainly true that some of these older right-wing figures really do want to go back to the Days Of St. Ronaldus Magnus, but even if it were desirable (it's not), it is not possible. The Boomercons (and Gen Xers like Ted Cruz, who is ideologically aligned with them, simply must come to terms with this. Attacking the nascent antisemites among us is necessary, but to do so by invoking a president who was out of office, and maybe even dead, before most of these people were born is not going to get the job done.

Postliberal conservatives people like Patrick Deneen, Johnny Burtka, me, and others recognized a while back that the old order is dead, and we are trying to hammer out a meaningful successor. We don't always agree with each other, but so what? There are no clear answers for the future; this has to be worked out as we go along, in debate and conversation. At ISI, Johnny has been doing that, and doing it well.
As I've been writing here, the sudden rise of Jew hatred among the younger generations on the Right is alarming and disgusting but the strategy to fight it will be impotent if the only answer is RETVRN TO 1988. Reminds me of Germans in 1928 who thought that all the turmoil and instability of the Weimar Republic would be solved if we would just put the Kaiser back on the throne.

I say that as a prelude to answering this "Open Letter to the Conservative Movement" authored by two former presidents of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI), which is now led by Johnny Burtka. The whole thing is too long to reproduce here; follow the link to read it all. Excerpts:

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The battle for the heart and soul of the American Conservative Movement is being fought on many fronts, with the latest trench warfare occurring in the boardrooms of its long-standing and most influential foundations and think tanks. The recent controversy @Heritage points to how Conservatism's venerable institutions have been infiltrated and quietly taken over by a tight-knit, fringe group of post-liberal thinkers who believe America has been "off the rails" since the Founding.

In their minds, the Declaration and Constitution must take a backseat to usher in a new, post-democratic, post-capitalist economic system that advocates isolationism, an immigration ban, and a domestic policy that blurs distinctions between church and state. While often described as MAGA or populist, this group is more tightly aligned to the philosophy of media crank @TuckerCarlson than President Trump's agenda....

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OK. So. I am not privy to the inner workings of ISI, though I am good friends with Johnny Burtka, and I trust him. It is a filthy smear to try to tar Johnny with Nick Fuentes! What this looks like to me, from Messrs. Long and Lynch both financiers, according to their biographies is an attempt to silence important and needed conservations with figures of the New Right who must be engaged if conservatism is to be relevant. Conservatism is not a church, with fixed dogmas and an authoritative hierarchy, but a way of thinking about politics and their relation to life and tradition.

Patrick Deneen, in his must-read book Why Liberalism Failed, explains why the kind of right-liberalism (= Reaganism) espoused by the traditional conservative institutions is dead now. You don't have to like that conclusion, but almost 40 years after Reagan left office, the world has changed dramatically and conservatism, if it is to be viable, has to change to account for the real world. You can't refute Deneen by canceling him. Eppur si muove.] -Rod Dreher

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Rod makes some really good points here.

RD has been great on this issue, and I agree with most of his points.

I only take issue with his overall theme. I consume more news/politics than your average Joe . . . and I have not seen anyone tie the Fuentes/Antisemitism debate into a debate over Ronald Reagan or even Reagan-esque policies.

And I'm obviously a bit biased given Reagan is my political hero, but I'm not convinced it's true that we've totally moved on. It's more issue by issue, and one of the problems that MAGA and Trump himself are having right now is that nobody is sure what the MAGA platform is right now. Even more than usual in politics, the Trump coalition consists of groups that don't just disagree on 1 or 2 issues but vehemently disagree on many.

If people want to stop the radicalization young men into the arms of the Fuentes "groyper" types....they have to start by stopping the progressive madness that is leading these young men to seek out such figures in the first place....


[....point: this incredible post by the must-follow antiwoke Twitter account Wokal Distance:

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I despise the Groyper movement, but if you want to understand where Fuentes gets purchase with young men I will tell you how it happened by telling you about my experience at the orientation night when my son joined elementary school band:

My 11 year old son son joined the elementary school band, and so I went to the parents orientation night which was held at a local high-school. As the night went on it became obvious to me why young men rage against the larger social system.

The classrooms were inundated with DEI messages and trans pride flags. On the walls there were posters, stickers and various decorations that all invoked the various totems if diversity. Black lives matter messaging, decolonization messaging, LGBTQ+ messaging, and basically ever sort of race and gender social justice messaging you can imagine was present. The advertisements for post secondary opportunities featured social justice education prominently, including advertising a course on indigenous ways of knowing" as something grade 12 students should pursue upon graduation. Many of the teachers has "this is a safe space" sticker son their doors, and others had variations of "in this house" messaging on their doors or on the walls of the classroom.

The entire aesthetic which dominated the decoration of classrooms was the progressive leftist coded "in this house" and "be kind" aesthetic. As soon as you walked into a classroom there was no doubt as the the political leanings of whichever teacher occupied that classroom. The only way I can describe it is to say that progressive social justice activists have colonized the school and marked their territory.

A woman in a mask (who was in charge) got up and read a number of land acknowledgements before acknowledging the contribution of indigenous people to ways of knowing. Standard leftist land acknowledgement boilerplate. Additionally, every interaction was done in the style of HR style professionalism mixed with progressive leftist coded gentle parenting.

When it comes to how the teachers behaved I am going to draw on both that night and the other times I have been at my sons school in order to explain it. To begin, the boys are treated almost as though they are defective girls. The feminine modes of interaction and socialization are treated as though they are the only legitimate modes of interaction and serve as the taken for granted way to properly interact and navigate the world. Almost all the authority figures at my sons school are women with almost no exceptions. One day my son found out that the school had hired a single male education Assistant, and my son came home and told me, in wondrous amazement, that he saw a "boy teacher" at school. The level of wonderment and surprise he expressed was on par with what I would expect if he had walked into school and seen a triceratops walking the hallways.

My son often comes home from school and expresses utter frustration at the fact that his preferred way of communicating, as well as the things that are aligned with his temperament are treated as though they were somehow inferior. As he is 11 (and being assessed for autism) he lacks the correct technical language to describe this, so it generally shows up as him getting in trouble for being insufficiently "gentle" and "kind" in response to various passive aggressive power plays and instances of bullying carries out by his more socially developed (often) female peers.

To say that band night was feminine coded would be an understatement. It would be more accurate to say that feminized modes of behavior and communication were embedded in every single interaction. It was a totally alien environment for anyone who isn't well versed in navigating the social codes of progressive leftist institutional spaces. It was like the slogan "the future is female" was taken to be a command delivered from God Himself turned into an education program.

Now, I want you to imagine what it is like for an 11 year old boy to be saturated in that environment day after day. he is an alien in his own school who is treated essentially like a ticking time bomb who needs to be effectively managed rather than engaged with an taught, and he knows this is happening. It is hard to overstate the level of hostility towards boys that is floating around in the ambient culture of the school system. It isn't so much that there is an explicit form of anti-male bigotry (although examples of that exist) it is more that there is an overall attitude of distaste for anything masculine and an utter indifference towards the interests, fortunes, and inner lives of young boys. The expectations, norms, rules, and standards of behavior cater to the sensibilities of girls and women.

This is the entire social system that a young boy goes through from when he is 6 years old all the way until he is graduated from university.

It's an old trope on the right to say "imagine if the roles were reversed," but that would be to miss the point. I know that many on the left will say that all of this is perfectly acceptable because of historical injustices and the pursuit of Social Justice. What I want to point out to you is how absurd the world must appear through the eyes of the average 11 year-old boy. He is basically told he has a host of social advantages (white privilege, male privilege, straight privilege, etc) that he has never experienced and will never benefit from, and this justifies the system which he is immersed in. And the worst part is, if young men point any of this out, the very people who are doing it will look them in the eye with a straight face and deny that any of this ever happened. Making matters worse these men begin to figure out that the institutions have been used to advance a leftist political agenda that scapegoated their group (young white men), and when they point this out everyone in authority calls them evil bigots.

And all this happens during their formative years.

Now, Imagine you are a young white male.

You graduate from the school system and are released into the world only to find that the feminine modes of socialization pushed on you are entirely unfit for purpose. That the social skills you were taught fail utterly in both the job markets young men tend towards (construction, engineering, building, landscaping, etc) and have no purchase in the dating market where highly agentic, masculine, wealthy men have a huge advantage over the passive, docile "nice boy." On top of that, imagine that a great deal of the job listings that you peruse make it clear that preference will be given to women and "diverse" candidates, and that the job interview itself is full of shibboleths, coded statements, and trap questions meant to elicit responses that allow the hiring party to exclude anyone who isn't sufficiently versed in and aligned with the priorities of the DEI/Woke/Social Justice paradigm.

On top of that, that if a you do get a job you will exposed to various sensitivity trainings, DEI trainings, and intersectionality workshops in which your group (straight white men) are repeatedly scapegoated as the source of all the worlds pathologies. Laid at your feet are patriarchy, colonialism, racism, sexism and a great number of other social evils for which you are taken to be complicit in and have a responsibility for fixing in virtue of being a white male.

While all this is going on a series of scandals (COVID, Men in womens' sports, trans kids, etc) reveal to you the degree to which the institutions that make up the society you live in have adopted an ideology that is actively hostile to you because you are a straight white male, and have been denying you opportunity while scapegoating you for all societies problems and treating you like you are a defective girl.

Once you understand this, the real question is not "why are some young men radicalizing?" the real question is "why are there any young men at all who have not been radicalized?" [Emphasis mine RD]

None of this is to excuse any of the extremist radicals who are attempting to harness the resentment and anger of young men for their evil purposes. The point is to get you to understand why young men will attach themselves to any voice who is willing to stridently call for the obliteration of the social system and ideology which lied to them during their formative years and is currently doing things which rob them of opportunities for advancement and success.

The institutions have totally blown their credibility with young men, and have completely destroyed young men's trust in institutions. Young men view the current set of social institutions as ideologically corrupt and totally illegitimate, and they view the narratives that emerge from those institutions as being expressions of as nothing more then a story told to legitimize an ideology which seeks to hold them back. As such, the institutions and their narratives have absolutely no normative pull on young Gen Z men.

I am not saying the situation is hopeless, but unless you acknowledge what I have laid out here, and engage in a good faith attempt to understand what the school system, Universities, non-profits, HR departments, and other civic institutions have done to young men, you will never be able to gain their trust enough to lead them away from guys like Nick Fuentes, Andrew Tate, Andrew Torba, and other pathological influences.

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Call me crazy, but I don't see that the Long/Lynchers and their types have the slightest clue how to confront this crisis. I trust the Johnny Burtkas of the Right, and his allies, to find a way. The Zombie Reaganauts did nothing to stop the ideological radicalization and ensh**tification of our culture.

You can't just pound the kids over the head with a rolled-up copy of the Declaration Of Independence, until they stop noticing.] -Rod Dreher

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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I dont think Vance is the only shot... but he is the only guy in the current Trump admin that has a remote shot.

American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

The Zionist/Israel First dream ticket of Rubio/DeSantis or DeSantis/Rubio will fail miserably...

Latest Tucker Guest Bigfoot Reveals How Mind-Controlling Chemtrails Are Sprayed Over The Flat Earth By The Jews
WOODSTOCK, ME Political commentator Tucker Carlson sparked controversy this week when he welcomed Bigfoot onto his show to discuss how mind-controlling chemtrails are sprayed over the flat earth by the Jews.
Viewers were shocked to learn that not only was Bigfoot real, but that the popular cryptid had been following conspiracy news for decades. Carlson nodded along with his guest, genuinely interested in what it had to say about Ben Shapiro.
Bigfoot, who spoke with a series of unintelligible growls and whistles, was adamant that the Jews were behind the chemtrails and that it was all part of an elaborate scheme to make people falsely believe that the earth is round. Bigfoot, a self-proclaimed expert on chemtrails, also added that the moon landing was faked (because the moon is, in actuality, made of cheese) and that jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
"So you're saying Israel who I have no real problem with by the way, like at all is directly responsible for everything that is wrong with society today, and that it can all be linked to chemtrails?" Carlson said, seemingly pushing back on his guest before immediately reversing course and agreeing with everything that was said. "That's a bold claim, and I have no reason to dispute it, of course, because it's obviously true."
The new episode of Carlson's show garnered tens of thousands of views within hours of going live. Several viewers commented on how strange it was to have the first-ever sit-down interview with Bigfoot in history and not try to learn more about his guest. "They spent all their time talking about Israel," commented @Abe333. "I wanted to hear more about Bigfoot."
Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro blasted the interview as divisive. "I have no problem with Tucker interviewing Bigfoot. But to sit there and listen to Bigfoot lecture us on chemtrails when he has no firsthand experience is just ludicrous," he said. "Bigfoot literally described planes as stone birds, and Tucker just nodded along. It's hard for me not to believe Tucker agrees with him, and that he has no idea what airplanes are either."
At publishing time, former Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had invited Tucker Carlson to appear on her show to praise him for his hard-hitting interview with Bigfoot.
https://babylonbee.com/news/latest-tucker-guest-bigfoot-reveals-how-mind-controlling-chemtrails-are-sprayed-over-the-flat-earth-by-the-jews

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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1) "A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

Those who simply hate Jews like Hitler are the easy ones to spot. But if we are going to restrict anti-semitism to Nazis and skinheads, then your definition of ant-semititic is far more narrow than I would submit the term deserves (though, perhaps self serving).

There are anti-semites who are far less overt than skinheads and Nazis. For instance, those who believe a Jewish bogeyman is behind a lot of the world's ills, or blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death. We have several of those yahoos on this thread. So, I would submit the number is far more substantial than you're willing to admit.

2) That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

Correct theology is often in the distinct minority, but I'd submit you're once again misjudging how big the group that understands scripture correctly actually is. Scripture is clear in Romans 9-11 and again in Revelation that God is far from done with his people. They will eventually turn to Christ, as scripture makes clear. We are simply not their replacement.

3) Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

You're batting .000 on this thread. Vance is an unlikeable chameleon who would be beaten badly. His likability factor is close to zero, and he doesn't have Trump's qualities that offset that issue. Rubio is our best option, and without the baggage.

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Latest Tucker Guest Bigfoot Reveals How Mind-Controlling Chemtrails Are Sprayed Over The Flat Earth By The Jews
WOODSTOCK, ME Political commentator Tucker Carlson sparked controversy this week when he welcomed Bigfoot onto his show to discuss how mind-controlling chemtrails are sprayed over the flat earth by the Jews.
Viewers were shocked to learn that not only was Bigfoot real, but that the popular cryptid had been following conspiracy news for decades. Carlson nodded along with his guest, genuinely interested in what it had to say about Ben Shapiro.
Bigfoot, who spoke with a series of unintelligible growls and whistles, was adamant that the Jews were behind the chemtrails and that it was all part of an elaborate scheme to make people falsely believe that the earth is round. Bigfoot, a self-proclaimed expert on chemtrails, also added that the moon landing was faked (because the moon is, in actuality, made of cheese) and that jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
"So you're saying Israel who I have no real problem with by the way, like at all is directly responsible for everything that is wrong with society today, and that it can all be linked to chemtrails?" Carlson said, seemingly pushing back on his guest before immediately reversing course and agreeing with everything that was said. "That's a bold claim, and I have no reason to dispute it, of course, because it's obviously true."
The new episode of Carlson's show garnered tens of thousands of views within hours of going live. Several viewers commented on how strange it was to have the first-ever sit-down interview with Bigfoot in history and not try to learn more about his guest. "They spent all their time talking about Israel," commented @Abe333. "I wanted to hear more about Bigfoot."
Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro blasted the interview as divisive. "I have no problem with Tucker interviewing Bigfoot. But to sit there and listen to Bigfoot lecture us on chemtrails when he has no firsthand experience is just ludicrous," he said. "Bigfoot literally described planes as stone birds, and Tucker just nodded along. It's hard for me not to believe Tucker agrees with him, and that he has no idea what airplanes are either."
At publishing time, former Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had invited Tucker Carlson to appear on her show to praise him for his hard-hitting interview with Bigfoot.
https://babylonbee.com/news/latest-tucker-guest-bigfoot-reveals-how-mind-controlling-chemtrails-are-sprayed-over-the-flat-earth-by-the-jews

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Auschwitz Guard Explains He Doesn't Hate Jews Or Anything, Just Zionists
OWICIM Jews on their way to their imminent deaths reportedly overheard a guard at the Auschwitz-Birkenau Death Camp, later identified as Maximilian Mulka, rejecting claims that he hated Jewish people, saying, "I don't hate the Jews or anything, just Zionists."
"The Jews are fine," Mulka allegedly said as he separated potential laborers from invalids. "I don't think you should collectively judge anyone. Like, anyone. Except Zionists. They're the real problem."
Mulka's colleagues at Auschwitz-Birkenau described him as an outstanding Nazi capable of killing anyone who came under his charge, be they Gypsy, Christian, or Zionist. "There's no one better at killing Jews, um, I mean Zionists," said Guard Battalion Commander Arthur Angst.
While leading several Zionists into the showers, Mulka casually explained his nuanced perspective on the Zionist problem: "I mean, I love Jews. I have Jewish friends and stuff. But Zionism is a brain virus from the devil," he said. "I'm doing the world a favor by getting rid of them. The Zionists, I mean."
At publishing time, Allied forces raided Auschwitz-Birkenau but let Maximillian Mulka go, after he successfully argued that they needed to unite to fight the Left.
https://babylonbee.com/news/auschwitz-guard-explains-he-doesnt-hate-jews-or-anything-just-zionists

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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Latest Tucker Guest Bigfoot Reveals How Mind-Controlling Chemtrails Are Sprayed Over The Flat Earth By The Jews
WOODSTOCK, ME Political commentator Tucker Carlson sparked controversy this week when he welcomed Bigfoot onto his show to discuss how mind-controlling chemtrails are sprayed over the flat earth by the Jews.
Viewers were shocked to learn that not only was Bigfoot real, but that the popular cryptid had been following conspiracy news for decades. Carlson nodded along with his guest, genuinely interested in what it had to say about Ben Shapiro.
Bigfoot, who spoke with a series of unintelligible growls and whistles, was adamant that the Jews were behind the chemtrails and that it was all part of an elaborate scheme to make people falsely believe that the earth is round. Bigfoot, a self-proclaimed expert on chemtrails, also added that the moon landing was faked (because the moon is, in actuality, made of cheese) and that jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
"So you're saying Israel who I have no real problem with by the way, like at all is directly responsible for everything that is wrong with society today, and that it can all be linked to chemtrails?" Carlson said, seemingly pushing back on his guest before immediately reversing course and agreeing with everything that was said. "That's a bold claim, and I have no reason to dispute it, of course, because it's obviously true."
The new episode of Carlson's show garnered tens of thousands of views within hours of going live. Several viewers commented on how strange it was to have the first-ever sit-down interview with Bigfoot in history and not try to learn more about his guest. "They spent all their time talking about Israel," commented @Abe333. "I wanted to hear more about Bigfoot."
Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro blasted the interview as divisive. "I have no problem with Tucker interviewing Bigfoot. But to sit there and listen to Bigfoot lecture us on chemtrails when he has no firsthand experience is just ludicrous," he said. "Bigfoot literally described planes as stone birds, and Tucker just nodded along. It's hard for me not to believe Tucker agrees with him, and that he has no idea what airplanes are either."
At publishing time, former Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had invited Tucker Carlson to appear on her show to praise him for his hard-hitting interview with Bigfoot.
https://babylonbee.com/news/latest-tucker-guest-bigfoot-reveals-how-mind-controlling-chemtrails-are-sprayed-over-the-flat-earth-by-the-jews

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You use the word "boomer" more than my teenage neighbor uses "um."

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Latest Tucker Guest Bigfoot Reveals How Mind-Controlling Chemtrails Are Sprayed Over The Flat Earth By The Jews
WOODSTOCK, ME Political commentator Tucker Carlson sparked controversy this week when he welcomed Bigfoot onto his show to discuss how mind-controlling chemtrails are sprayed over the flat earth by the Jews.
Viewers were shocked to learn that not only was Bigfoot real, but that the popular cryptid had been following conspiracy news for decades. Carlson nodded along with his guest, genuinely interested in what it had to say about Ben Shapiro.
Bigfoot, who spoke with a series of unintelligible growls and whistles, was adamant that the Jews were behind the chemtrails and that it was all part of an elaborate scheme to make people falsely believe that the earth is round. Bigfoot, a self-proclaimed expert on chemtrails, also added that the moon landing was faked (because the moon is, in actuality, made of cheese) and that jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
"So you're saying Israel who I have no real problem with by the way, like at all is directly responsible for everything that is wrong with society today, and that it can all be linked to chemtrails?" Carlson said, seemingly pushing back on his guest before immediately reversing course and agreeing with everything that was said. "That's a bold claim, and I have no reason to dispute it, of course, because it's obviously true."
The new episode of Carlson's show garnered tens of thousands of views within hours of going live. Several viewers commented on how strange it was to have the first-ever sit-down interview with Bigfoot in history and not try to learn more about his guest. "They spent all their time talking about Israel," commented @Abe333. "I wanted to hear more about Bigfoot."
Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro blasted the interview as divisive. "I have no problem with Tucker interviewing Bigfoot. But to sit there and listen to Bigfoot lecture us on chemtrails when he has no firsthand experience is just ludicrous," he said. "Bigfoot literally described planes as stone birds, and Tucker just nodded along. It's hard for me not to believe Tucker agrees with him, and that he has no idea what airplanes are either."
At publishing time, former Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had invited Tucker Carlson to appear on her show to praise him for his hard-hitting interview with Bigfoot.
https://babylonbee.com/news/latest-tucker-guest-bigfoot-reveals-how-mind-controlling-chemtrails-are-sprayed-over-the-flat-earth-by-the-jews

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You use the word "boomer" more than my teenage neighbor uses "um."

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Like, he is so, like, you know, like, you know, smart

These are Cipolla's five fundamental laws of stupidity:
1. Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
2. The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
4. Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places, and under any circumstances, to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.
Corollary: a stupid person is more dangerous than a pillager.

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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You never Trumpers said the same thing in 2016 about Trump.

Now you love Trump more than his original base does.

These kids were forced to listen to Radio Rwanda-style rhetoric from our elite institutions for a decade that explicitly identified them as class enemies who were the source of all ill.

And so now, we’re in the funny position of asking them, ‘Erm… could you try to be better?… https://t.co/yjn1yvQbMp pic.twitter.com/WaNKi5T74U

— Coddled Affluent Professional (@feelsdesperate) November 11, 2025

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Those who simply hate Jews like Hitler are the easy ones to spot. But if we are going to restrict anti-semitism to Nazis and skinheads, then your definition of ant-semititic is far more narrow than I would submit the term deserves (though, perhaps self serving).

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Just like trying to expand the term "racist" beyond actual racists. And your "perhaps self serving" is precisely the sort of slandering of people as anti-semitic that I'm talking about.

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"And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)

I wasn't there 2,000 years ago. I didn't say this. I don't blame people today for saying this. But lets not pretend that it wasn't said, because God recorded it. Rewriting history is dishonest. There is no "Judeo-Christian" religion. There is Judaism, the religion of the Old Mosaic Covenant. There is Christianity, the religion of the New Covenant, grafted into the Abrahamic covenant through the actions of our High Priest, Christ. Which of these two camps you fall into depends largely on whether you believe that Jesus was the promised messiah.

Apparently in your worldview acknowledging simple historical facts makes you an anti-semite.

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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You never Trumpers said the same thing in 2016 about Trump.

Now you love Trump more than his original base does.

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I love how anyone who promotes a weak ass candidate points to Trump in 2016 as proof that their candidate has a snowball's chance in hell.

Massie, MTG and even Tucker aren't Trump. None of these yahoos have a cult of personality.

BTW, voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and again in 2024. But you also accused me of being a boomer, so...

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Those who simply hate Jews like Hitler are the easy ones to spot. But if we are going to restrict anti-semitism to Nazis and skinheads, then your definition of ant-semititic is far more narrow than I would submit the term deserves (though, perhaps self serving).

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Just like trying to expand the term "racist" beyond actual racists. And your "perhaps self serving" is precisely the sort of slandering of people as anti-semitic that I'm talking about.

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blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death.

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"And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)

I wasn't there 2,000 years ago. I didn't say this. I don't blame people today for saying this. But lets not pretend that it wasn't said, because God recorded it. Rewriting history is dishonest. There is no "Judeo-Christian" religion. There is Judaism, the religion of the Old Mosaic Covenant. There is Christianity, the religion of the New Covenant, grafted into the Abrahamic covenant through the actions of our High Priest, Christ. Which of these two camps you fall into depends largely on whether you believe that Jesus was the promised messiah.

Apparently in your worldview acknowledging simple historical facts makes you an anti-semite.

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1) Just like trying to expand the term "racist" beyond actual racists. And your "perhaps self serving" is precisely the sort of slandering of people as anti-semitic that I'm talking about.

antisemite (noun): 1) a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.

Obviously, wanting all Jews to die is a clear indicator of antisemitism, but I would submit that there is a bit broader definition of antisemite than you conveniently propose. For instance, there were plenty of racists back in the day who thought black people were inferior, needed to be treated differently, and needed to be kept separate from white folk, especially our women - ideas which I think most reasonable people agree are racist. However, I am sure it was only a small percentage that wished death on all black people.

As I said, I get the narrow definition is quite convenient for your beliefs.

2) "And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)

I wasn't there 2,000 years ago. I didn't say this. I don't blame people today for saying this. But lets not pretend that it wasn't said, because God recorded it. Rewriting history is dishonest. There is no "Judeo-Christian" religion. There is Judaism, the religion of the Old Mosaic Covenant. There is Christianity, the religion of the New Covenant, grafted into the Abrahamic covenant through the actions of our High Priest, Christ. Which of these two camps you fall into depends largely on whether you believe that Jesus was the promised messiah.

Apparently in your worldview acknowledging simple historical facts makes you an anti-semite.

Interesting. So you believe the people in the crowd were representing all Jews? Even the disciples? Even Mary, the mother of God? How about Paul? Even the numerous Jewish converts who followed Christ? Let me ask this - were they also representing Jesus? That's truly your interpretation of that passage?

Your misguided "orthodoxy" has led you to very interesting places.

FTR, the silly strawman you erected - you know, arguing that I've alleged there is such a thing as a "Judeo-Christian" religion - is just that, a silly strawman. While Christianity is a descendant of the Jewish faith, they are certainly two very distinct religions.

Those who try to hold the dirty "Hebes" collectively responsible for Christ's death are subscribers to one the oldest tropes in the book.

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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You never Trumpers said the same thing in 2016 about Trump.

Now you love Trump more than his original base does.

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I love how anyone who promotes a weak ass candidate points to Trump in 2016 as proof that their candidate has a snowball's chance in hell.

Massie, MTG and even Tucker aren't Trump. None of these yahoos have a cult of personality.

BTW, voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and again in 2024. But you also accused me of being a boomer, so...

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You voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2024 Republican Primaries?

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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You never Trumpers said the same thing in 2016 about Trump.

Now you love Trump more than his original base does.

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I love how anyone who promotes a weak ass candidate points to Trump in 2016 as proof that their candidate has a snowball's chance in hell.

Massie, MTG and even Tucker aren't Trump. None of these yahoos have a cult of personality.

BTW, voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and again in 2024. But you also accused me of being a boomer, so...

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You voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2024 Republican Primaries?

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Of course not. Voted for Rubio in 2016, and DeSantis in 2024.

Wait a sec, you think that makes me a "never Trumper" don't you???!!! Sorry, I forgot total fealty is required with you yahoos.

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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You never Trumpers said the same thing in 2016 about Trump.

Now you love Trump more than his original base does.

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I love how anyone who promotes a weak ass candidate points to Trump in 2016 as proof that their candidate has a snowball's chance in hell.

Massie, MTG and even Tucker aren't Trump. None of these yahoos have a cult of personality.

BTW, voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and again in 2024. But you also accused me of being a boomer, so...

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You voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2024 Republican Primaries?

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Of course not. Voted for Rubio in 2016, and DeSantis in 2024.

Wait a sec, you think that makes me a "never Trumper" don't you???!!!

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It shows you have been consistently out of touch with where Republican Primary voters are for over a decade.

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If people want to stop the radicalization young men into the arms of the Fuentes "groyper" types....they have to start by stopping the progressive madness that is leading these young men to seek out such figures in the first place....


[....point: this incredible post by the must-follow antiwoke Twitter account Wokal Distance:

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I despise the Groyper movement, but if you want to understand where Fuentes gets purchase with young men I will tell you how it happened by telling you about my experience at the orientation night when my son joined elementary school band:

My 11 year old son son joined the elementary school band, and so I went to the parents orientation night which was held at a local high-school. As the night went on it became obvious to me why young men rage against the larger social system.

The classrooms were inundated with DEI messages and trans pride flags. On the walls there were posters, stickers and various decorations that all invoked the various totems if diversity. Black lives matter messaging, decolonization messaging, LGBTQ+ messaging, and basically ever sort of race and gender social justice messaging you can imagine was present. The advertisements for post secondary opportunities featured social justice education prominently, including advertising a course on indigenous ways of knowing" as something grade 12 students should pursue upon graduation. Many of the teachers has "this is a safe space" sticker son their doors, and others had variations of "in this house" messaging on their doors or on the walls of the classroom.

The entire aesthetic which dominated the decoration of classrooms was the progressive leftist coded "in this house" and "be kind" aesthetic. As soon as you walked into a classroom there was no doubt as the the political leanings of whichever teacher occupied that classroom. The only way I can describe it is to say that progressive social justice activists have colonized the school and marked their territory.

A woman in a mask (who was in charge) got up and read a number of land acknowledgements before acknowledging the contribution of indigenous people to ways of knowing. Standard leftist land acknowledgement boilerplate. Additionally, every interaction was done in the style of HR style professionalism mixed with progressive leftist coded gentle parenting.

When it comes to how the teachers behaved I am going to draw on both that night and the other times I have been at my sons school in order to explain it. To begin, the boys are treated almost as though they are defective girls. The feminine modes of interaction and socialization are treated as though they are the only legitimate modes of interaction and serve as the taken for granted way to properly interact and navigate the world. Almost all the authority figures at my sons school are women with almost no exceptions. One day my son found out that the school had hired a single male education Assistant, and my son came home and told me, in wondrous amazement, that he saw a "boy teacher" at school. The level of wonderment and surprise he expressed was on par with what I would expect if he had walked into school and seen a triceratops walking the hallways.

My son often comes home from school and expresses utter frustration at the fact that his preferred way of communicating, as well as the things that are aligned with his temperament are treated as though they were somehow inferior. As he is 11 (and being assessed for autism) he lacks the correct technical language to describe this, so it generally shows up as him getting in trouble for being insufficiently "gentle" and "kind" in response to various passive aggressive power plays and instances of bullying carries out by his more socially developed (often) female peers.

To say that band night was feminine coded would be an understatement. It would be more accurate to say that feminized modes of behavior and communication were embedded in every single interaction. It was a totally alien environment for anyone who isn't well versed in navigating the social codes of progressive leftist institutional spaces. It was like the slogan "the future is female" was taken to be a command delivered from God Himself turned into an education program.

Now, I want you to imagine what it is like for an 11 year old boy to be saturated in that environment day after day. he is an alien in his own school who is treated essentially like a ticking time bomb who needs to be effectively managed rather than engaged with an taught, and he knows this is happening. It is hard to overstate the level of hostility towards boys that is floating around in the ambient culture of the school system. It isn't so much that there is an explicit form of anti-male bigotry (although examples of that exist) it is more that there is an overall attitude of distaste for anything masculine and an utter indifference towards the interests, fortunes, and inner lives of young boys. The expectations, norms, rules, and standards of behavior cater to the sensibilities of girls and women.

This is the entire social system that a young boy goes through from when he is 6 years old all the way until he is graduated from university.

It's an old trope on the right to say "imagine if the roles were reversed," but that would be to miss the point. I know that many on the left will say that all of this is perfectly acceptable because of historical injustices and the pursuit of Social Justice. What I want to point out to you is how absurd the world must appear through the eyes of the average 11 year-old boy. He is basically told he has a host of social advantages (white privilege, male privilege, straight privilege, etc) that he has never experienced and will never benefit from, and this justifies the system which he is immersed in. And the worst part is, if young men point any of this out, the very people who are doing it will look them in the eye with a straight face and deny that any of this ever happened. Making matters worse these men begin to figure out that the institutions have been used to advance a leftist political agenda that scapegoated their group (young white men), and when they point this out everyone in authority calls them evil bigots.

And all this happens during their formative years.

Now, Imagine you are a young white male.

You graduate from the school system and are released into the world only to find that the feminine modes of socialization pushed on you are entirely unfit for purpose. That the social skills you were taught fail utterly in both the job markets young men tend towards (construction, engineering, building, landscaping, etc) and have no purchase in the dating market where highly agentic, masculine, wealthy men have a huge advantage over the passive, docile "nice boy." On top of that, imagine that a great deal of the job listings that you peruse make it clear that preference will be given to women and "diverse" candidates, and that the job interview itself is full of shibboleths, coded statements, and trap questions meant to elicit responses that allow the hiring party to exclude anyone who isn't sufficiently versed in and aligned with the priorities of the DEI/Woke/Social Justice paradigm.

On top of that, that if a you do get a job you will exposed to various sensitivity trainings, DEI trainings, and intersectionality workshops in which your group (straight white men) are repeatedly scapegoated as the source of all the worlds pathologies. Laid at your feet are patriarchy, colonialism, racism, sexism and a great number of other social evils for which you are taken to be complicit in and have a responsibility for fixing in virtue of being a white male.

While all this is going on a series of scandals (COVID, Men in womens' sports, trans kids, etc) reveal to you the degree to which the institutions that make up the society you live in have adopted an ideology that is actively hostile to you because you are a straight white male, and have been denying you opportunity while scapegoating you for all societies problems and treating you like you are a defective girl.

Once you understand this, the real question is not "why are some young men radicalizing?" the real question is "why are there any young men at all who have not been radicalized?" [Emphasis mine RD]

None of this is to excuse any of the extremist radicals who are attempting to harness the resentment and anger of young men for their evil purposes. The point is to get you to understand why young men will attach themselves to any voice who is willing to stridently call for the obliteration of the social system and ideology which lied to them during their formative years and is currently doing things which rob them of opportunities for advancement and success.

The institutions have totally blown their credibility with young men, and have completely destroyed young men's trust in institutions. Young men view the current set of social institutions as ideologically corrupt and totally illegitimate, and they view the narratives that emerge from those institutions as being expressions of as nothing more then a story told to legitimize an ideology which seeks to hold them back. As such, the institutions and their narratives have absolutely no normative pull on young Gen Z men.

I am not saying the situation is hopeless, but unless you acknowledge what I have laid out here, and engage in a good faith attempt to understand what the school system, Universities, non-profits, HR departments, and other civic institutions have done to young men, you will never be able to gain their trust enough to lead them away from guys like Nick Fuentes, Andrew Tate, Andrew Torba, and other pathological influences.

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Call me crazy, but I don't see that the Long/Lynchers and their types have the slightest clue how to confront this crisis. I trust the Johnny Burtkas of the Right, and his allies, to find a way. The Zombie Reaganauts did nothing to stop the ideological radicalization and ensh**tification of our culture.

You can't just pound the kids over the head with a rolled-up copy of the Declaration Of Independence, until they stop noticing.] -Rod Dreher

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The traditional establishment fiscal conservatives simply will not engage on the social issues. They will use limited government concerns to ignore the rainbow stuff entirely.

Nikki Haley once said “…it is not that Israel needs America….America needs Israel.”

Meanwhile, her son @Nalin_Haley, says, “Israel is just another country, and if they want to have a better relationship with the United States, they need to stop interfering in our politics.”… pic.twitter.com/URmcFKNInb

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 11, 2025

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There are bad actors in the party who slander others as anti-semites. But what you fail to acknowledge is that there is a substantial number of self-described conservatives who are, in fact, anti-semites.

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"A substantial number?" Nah. Not if you are talking about people who simply hate Jews like Hitler did. When you start conflating people who want AIPAC to come into compliance with FARA, people who want to end foreign aid, people who believe in replacement theology, etc with "anti-semites" you artificially crank up the numbers and create an artificial crisis.

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And the fact is, the vast majority of these people are likely not Christian, or at the very least, have a very poor and uninformed Christian theology. I've yet to meet someone who subscribes to replacement theology that isn't seriously uninformed about scripture.

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That is your *opinion*, one that places you in the distinct minority of Christians both today and throughout history.

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Edit: I hope that someone does beat out JD Vance to carry the torch. Saw a poll in the last few days that most men prefer Newsom to Vance, which is a scary thought. He is not the answer. Was one of Trump's bigger mistakes to nominate such a weak dude as the VP candidate, IMO.

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Vance is our only shot in 2028, because he is the only one willing to speak the truth in a way the electorate will respond to. Nominate the former gang of eight senator or some other stale off the shelf GOP boomer, and you will get to live through a Newsom presidency. Or, being a boomer, maybe you won't.

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American First candidates that would do very well in a Republican Primary include: Massie, MTG, Tucker.

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You say lots of stupid things, but this one might be your GOAT.

Massie and MTG would be beaten soundly. It would be an ass kicking of epic proportions if the Dems ran somehow halfway competent.

Tucker is the best of the bunch, but lacks any crossover appeal due to some of his more hateful beliefs and nutty conspiracy theories. He'd also get his ass kicked given how unlikable he is generally.

Boy are we in trouble if we have to run these candidates.

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You never Trumpers said the same thing in 2016 about Trump.

Now you love Trump more than his original base does.

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I love how anyone who promotes a weak ass candidate points to Trump in 2016 as proof that their candidate has a snowball's chance in hell.

Massie, MTG and even Tucker aren't Trump. None of these yahoos have a cult of personality.

BTW, voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and again in 2024. But you also accused me of being a boomer, so...

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You voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2024 Republican Primaries?

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Of course not. Voted for Rubio in 2016, and DeSantis in 2024.

Wait a sec, you think that makes me a "never Trumper" don't you???!!!

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It shows you have been consistently out of touch with where Republican Primary voters are for over a decade.

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Oh rest assured, I have VERY different conservative beliefs than MAGA. I am a small govt. guy, which I of course realize isn't popular to you big govt., govt. interventionism, massive spending "conservatives." So it's not out of touch as much as I think you guys economic policies are bull *****

You're just a hell of a lot better than the alternative, and we agree a lot more than we disagree,

Watch the full conversation with @BariWeiss: https://t.co/EbRjktCbFG

— Honestly with Bari Weiss (@thehonestlypod) November 11, 2025

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Interesting. So you believe the people in the crowd were representing all Jews? Even the disciples? Even Mary, the mother of God? How about Paul? Even the numerous Jewish converts who followed Christ? Let me ask this - were they also representing Jesus? That's truly your interpretation of that passage?

Those who try to hold the dirty "Hebes" collectively responsible for Christ's death are subscribers to one the oldest tropes in the book.

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My interpretation is irrelevant. What is written in black and white is relevant. And they were very clearly representing those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants - who rejected Christ as messiah. His followers weren't lobbying for his crucifixion. Do you believe "Hebes" are dirty? Because I haven't heard anyone else make that accusation. If so, you need to repent of your antisemitism. If not, you need to stop trying to put slanderous words in peoples' mouths. That's bearing false witness.

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Interesting. So you believe the people in the crowd were representing all Jews? Even the disciples? Even Mary, the mother of God? How about Paul? Even the numerous Jewish converts who followed Christ? Let me ask this - were they also representing Jesus? That's truly your interpretation of that passage?

Those who try to hold the dirty "Hebes" collectively responsible for Christ's death are subscribers to one the oldest tropes in the book.

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My interpretation is irrelevant. What is written in black and white is relevant. And they were very clearly representing those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants - who rejected Christ as messiah. His followers weren't lobbying for his crucifixion. Do you believe "Hebes" are dirty? Because I haven't heard anyone else make that accusation. If so, you need to repent of your antisemitism. If not, you need to stop trying to put slanderous words in peoples' mouths. That's bearing false witness.

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Ah, so the Jews who would be cursed, according to what you believe is the "black and white," plain language of the text not up for interpretation were "those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants," and it is those individuals who are entirely responsible for Christ's preordained death. Do I have that right? So who are "those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants"? What Jews today do you hold responsible for killing your Lord and Savior? All Jews? Or those who are religious? Or perhaps the state of Israel? And is it every single descendant? For instance, is Netanyahu responsible for Christ's death, in your book? What about the Jews whose ancestors were not in the crowd that day? Surely they wouldn't be cursed. Or would they?

Just trying to find out how far your antisemitic trope goes. Hope you have the courage to answer this time, unlike my last post.

Good luck!

Utah had a Republican congressional seat stolen. California just took 5.

As of now, Democrats take the House.

Does anyone care about real matters or are we going to still bicker over podcast guest selection.

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) November 12, 2025

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Interesting. So you believe the people in the crowd were representing all Jews? Even the disciples? Even Mary, the mother of God? How about Paul? Even the numerous Jewish converts who followed Christ? Let me ask this - were they also representing Jesus? That's truly your interpretation of that passage?

Those who try to hold the dirty "Hebes" collectively responsible for Christ's death are subscribers to one the oldest tropes in the book.

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My interpretation is irrelevant. What is written in black and white is relevant. And they were very clearly representing those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants - who rejected Christ as messiah. His followers weren't lobbying for his crucifixion. Do you believe "Hebes" are dirty? Because I haven't heard anyone else make that accusation. If so, you need to repent of your antisemitism. If not, you need to stop trying to put slanderous words in peoples' mouths. That's bearing false witness.

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Ah, so the Jews who would be cursed, according to what you believe is the "black and white," plain language of the text not up for interpretation were "those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants," and it is those individuals who are entirely responsible for Christ's preordained death. Do I have that right? So who are "those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants"? What Jews today do you hold responsible for killing your Lord and Savior? All Jews? Or those who are religious? Or perhaps the state of Israel? And is it every single descendant? For instance, is Netanyahu responsible for Christ's death, in your book? What about the Jews whose ancestors were not in the crowd that day? Surely they wouldn't be cursed. Or would they?

Just trying to find out how far your antisemitic trope goes. Hope you have the courage to answer this time, unlike my last post.

Good luck!

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I wasn't around in 100 AD. I had zero input on writing or editing the Bible. It says what it says. I hold *nobody* alive today responsible for events that occurred 2000 years ago.

Hope that is clear enough for you.

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Interesting. So you believe the people in the crowd were representing all Jews? Even the disciples? Even Mary, the mother of God? How about Paul? Even the numerous Jewish converts who followed Christ? Let me ask this - were they also representing Jesus? That's truly your interpretation of that passage?

Those who try to hold the dirty "Hebes" collectively responsible for Christ's death are subscribers to one the oldest tropes in the book.

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My interpretation is irrelevant. What is written in black and white is relevant. And they were very clearly representing those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants - who rejected Christ as messiah. His followers weren't lobbying for his crucifixion. Do you believe "Hebes" are dirty? Because I haven't heard anyone else make that accusation. If so, you need to repent of your antisemitism. If not, you need to stop trying to put slanderous words in peoples' mouths. That's bearing false witness.

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Ah, so the Jews who would be cursed, according to what you believe is the "black and white," plain language of the text not up for interpretation were "those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants," and it is those individuals who are entirely responsible for Christ's preordained death. Do I have that right? So who are "those practitioners of Judaism - and their descendants"? What Jews today do you hold responsible for killing your Lord and Savior? All Jews? Or those who are religious? Or perhaps the state of Israel? And is it every single descendant? For instance, is Netanyahu responsible for Christ's death, in your book? What about the Jews whose ancestors were not in the crowd that day? Surely they wouldn't be cursed. Or would they?

Just trying to find out how far your antisemitic trope goes. Hope you have the courage to answer this time, unlike my last post.

Good luck!

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I wasn't around in 100 AD. I had zero input on writing or editing the Bible. It says what it says. I hold *nobody* alive today responsible for events that occurred 2000 years ago.

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Sorry, you don't get off that easy.

I posted that it was antisemitic to "blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death." You apparently disagreed, responding to that specific quote, pointing out the verses in question.

So do you blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death or not? Stop being such a coward and have the balls to answer.

Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Tucker Carlson asks Ted Cruz:
- What is the taxpayer cost of supporting Israel? Ted Cruz says $3B/yr
- What does it costs us to support Israel’s bombing campaign? Ted Cruz is CLUELESS

ANSWER:
- Taxpayer Cost (2023-25): $75 BILLION! (min)
- Taxpayer Cost (1973-2024): $3 TRILLION! https://t.co/1lWyX2y87i pic.twitter.com/mB5TqrISAg

— GenXGirl (@GenXGirl1994) June 18, 2025

Most Americans would think it's stupid we spent $75 billion on Israel over the last couple years...

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Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Yup. Well said.