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In reply to The_barBEARian • 7:09p, 11/20/25
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I also disagree with the AIPAC argument. AIPAC simply does not meet the definition under FARA. Plus, AIPAC discloses its most significant data - lobbying, political expenditures, etc.



So secret that his press office published the photo! Those sneaky Jews?

[NOTE: AIPAC has sent delegations to Israel for years]
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In reply to sombear • 7:16p, 11/20/25
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The_barBEARian said:
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I also disagree with the AIPAC argument. AIPAC simply does not meet the definition under FARA. Plus, AIPAC discloses its most significant data - lobbying, political expenditures, etc.



So secret that his press office published the photo! Those sneaky Jews?

[NOTE: AIPAC has sent delegations to Israel for years]


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Rashida Talib sucks... but these low IQ knuckle dragging thugs make her look civilized.
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In reply to Mothra • 7:43p, 11/20/25
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Mothra said:
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Realitybites said:
I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.



To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?


We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.


Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.


Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

No surprise you like Mark Dice, given he regularly espouses anti-Jewish beliefs. This is the same YouTuber who said he appreciates Islam's "respect" for Christ, contrasting it with the Judaism. Never mind that you'd be killed or subjected to prison time for espousing belief in Christ in many Muslim parts of the world. I mean, when you praise a religion that is the number one spreader of extremism and terrorism in the world today, you're a little off your rocker.

The guy reminds me of MTG. Promotes crazy conspiracies, and while he's often times bombastic. his arguments are elementary and often times easily refuted. He lacks the intellect and education, and is merely a tribalist. I would take anything this nut says with a huge grain of salt.

I wonder what party you will have to join now since the neocon wars for Israel repub party is dying very quickly. Let us know where you end up.


It's true that I've always been an independent thinker. Disagreed with the neocons, and disagreed with Maga, especially on spending. I am not a drone who fawns over self aggrandizing morons such as MTG and Mark dice..

But rest assured, whatever side I end up on, it won't be with the tribal Jew haters like you.



Should we take her at her word and if so why are Jews trying to destroy the cultures of Europe? They like to say this is some sort of antisemitic conspiracy theory but this woman is saying it and we can see with our own eyes that its happening. My question is why? Is there really some sort of plan to destroy Christian nations by flooding them with third worlders? This woman thinks so.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 7:52p, 11/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
sombear said:
The_barBEARian said:
sombear said:

I also disagree with the AIPAC argument. AIPAC simply does not meet the definition under FARA. Plus, AIPAC discloses its most significant data - lobbying, political expenditures, etc.



So secret that his press office published the photo! Those sneaky Jews?

[NOTE: AIPAC has sent delegations to Israel for years]



very bad look but par for the course for Huckabee. This guy is one of the biggest spies ever and he was given a welcome on the tarmac by Bibi once he touched down in Israel after his prison time. He's from Texas but obviously he didnt care much about that.
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He should have been executed for this...
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Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....
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In reply to muddybrazos • 9:18p, 11/20/25
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Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....


Wonder what Hammer's take is now that Western Europe is on track to have a large, if not a majority Semitic population this century.
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In reply to Realitybites • 9:24p, 11/20/25
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muddybrazos said:


Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....


Wonder what Hammer's take is now that Western Europe is on track to have a large, if not a majority Semitic population this century.

Well, he probably agrees with that woman I posted above from 2015. They like to call the Kalergi plan an antisemtic conspiracy theory but oddly enough its playing out right in front of our eyes. They think Europeans have antisemitism in their DNA so they dont want Europe to be cultrually Christian nations any more. Hopefully there is a revolution soon. BTW, I was in Belgium very briefly during spring break last April and school was letting out. It was like I was in the Belgian congo not Belgium. There were no Belgians under the age of 20.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 9:34p, 11/20/25
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Realitybites said:
muddybrazos said:


Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....


Wonder what Hammer's take is now that Western Europe is on track to have a large, if not a majority Semitic population this century.

Well, he probably agrees with that woman I posted above from 2015. They like to call the Kalergi plan an antisemtic conspiracy theory but oddly enough its playing out right in front of our eyes. They think Europeans have antisemitism in their DNA so they dont want Europe to be cultrually Christian nations any more. Hopefully there is a revolution soon. BTW, I was in Belgium very briefly during spring break last April and school was letting out. It was like I was in the Belgian congo not Belgium. There were no Belgians under the age of 20.

Y'all really need to snap out of this conspiracy BS. Go out, get some sunshine, take a walk, and thank God for how blessed we are.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:01p, 11/20/25
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Dont believe your lying eyes... there is no global cabal...


Schumer is evil. Hates Americans.
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In reply to sombear • 10:06p, 11/20/25
sombear said:
muddybrazos said:
Realitybites said:
muddybrazos said:


Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....


Wonder what Hammer's take is now that Western Europe is on track to have a large, if not a majority Semitic population this century.

Well, he probably agrees with that woman I posted above from 2015. They like to call the Kalergi plan an antisemtic conspiracy theory but oddly enough its playing out right in front of our eyes. They think Europeans have antisemitism in their DNA so they dont want Europe to be cultrually Christian nations any more. Hopefully there is a revolution soon. BTW, I was in Belgium very briefly during spring break last April and school was letting out. It was like I was in the Belgian congo not Belgium. There were no Belgians under the age of 20.

Y'all really need to snap out of this conspiracy BS. Go out, get some sunshine, take a walk, and thank God for how blessed we are.

But what are they talking about? Can you help us understand?
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In reply to muddybrazos • 6:25a, 11/21/25
muddybrazos said:
Mothra said:
muddybrazos said:
Bruisers Burner Phone said:
The_barBEARian said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
Realitybites said:
sombear said:
Realitybites said:
I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.



To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?


We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.


Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.


Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

No surprise you like Mark Dice, given he regularly espouses anti-Jewish beliefs. This is the same YouTuber who said he appreciates Islam's "respect" for Christ, contrasting it with the Judaism. Never mind that you'd be killed or subjected to prison time for espousing belief in Christ in many Muslim parts of the world. I mean, when you praise a religion that is the number one spreader of extremism and terrorism in the world today, you're a little off your rocker.

The guy reminds me of MTG. Promotes crazy conspiracies, and while he's often times bombastic. his arguments are elementary and often times easily refuted. He lacks the intellect and education, and is merely a tribalist. I would take anything this nut says with a huge grain of salt.

I wonder what party you will have to join now since the neocon wars for Israel repub party is dying very quickly. Let us know where you end up.

to which "neocon wars for Israel" do you refer?
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 6:33a, 11/21/25
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whiterock said:
The_barBEARian said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
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How does abandoning the best ally we have


When you start from the wrong premise, you reach the wrong conclusions.

My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy

LOL

in this post we see a garden-variety crackpot citing a well-known crackpot to buttress garden variety crackpottery.

If I lobby Congress not to infringe on the 2nd Amendment, does that make me a German agent (since HK is a German company)? Does that make me an Austrian agent (since Glock is an Austrian company)? Does that make me an Italian agent (since Beretta is an Italian company)? I have a Sako Safari grade 375 H&H. Does that make me a Finnish agent? I have an Army/Navy 28ga boxlock. Does that make me a British agent?


A post full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The realist argument is well explained, supported by facts, and there for you to engage with if you choose.

To your question, Mearsheimer's only allusion to FARA is to call AIPAC a "de facto" foreign agent. So technically the answer is probably no.

LOL Mearsheimer has been wrong about almost everything on Russia, thereby doing harm to foreign policy realist arguments.

I along with a majority of Americans believe the US/Israeli relationship is of significant benefit to the USA. Reasonable people can disagree on that, but the "disagree" camp is unable to make a compelling argument and is therefore reduced to ad hominem arguments - calling anyone who supports Israel and Israeli agent.

Tell us how we would be better off if Israel went away.


A majority of American Boomers support Israel.... a demographic that is going to fall off a cliff in a decade.

and this country will continue to support Israel, because it is in our interests to do so.

You've never once explained how the USA would be better off if Israel did not exist.



With your ever post you diminish yourself further.
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In reply to BaylorFTW • 6:33a, 11/21/25
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The_barBEARian said:
Dont believe your lying eyes... there is no global cabal...


Schumer is evil. Hates Americans.

He's as bad as Fuentes.

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In reply to Realitybites • 6:35a, 11/21/25
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muddybrazos said:


Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....


Wonder what Hammer's take is now that Western Europe is on track to have a large, if not a majority Semitic population this century.

it's going to make Europe even more anti-semitic than it has traditionally been.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 6:36a, 11/21/25
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Mothra said:
muddybrazos said:
Mothra said:
muddybrazos said:
Bruisers Burner Phone said:
The_barBEARian said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
Realitybites said:
sombear said:
Realitybites said:
I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.



To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?


We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.


Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.


Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

No surprise you like Mark Dice, given he regularly espouses anti-Jewish beliefs. This is the same YouTuber who said he appreciates Islam's "respect" for Christ, contrasting it with the Judaism. Never mind that you'd be killed or subjected to prison time for espousing belief in Christ in many Muslim parts of the world. I mean, when you praise a religion that is the number one spreader of extremism and terrorism in the world today, you're a little off your rocker.

The guy reminds me of MTG. Promotes crazy conspiracies, and while he's often times bombastic. his arguments are elementary and often times easily refuted. He lacks the intellect and education, and is merely a tribalist. I would take anything this nut says with a huge grain of salt.

I wonder what party you will have to join now since the neocon wars for Israel repub party is dying very quickly. Let us know where you end up.


It's true that I've always been an independent thinker. Disagreed with the neocons, and disagreed with Maga, especially on spending. I am not a drone who fawns over self aggrandizing morons such as MTG and Mark dice..

But rest assured, whatever side I end up on, it won't be with the tribal Jew haters like you.



Should we take her at her word and if so why are Jews trying to destroy the cultures of Europe? They like to say this is some sort of antisemitic conspiracy theory but this woman is saying it and we can see with our own eyes that its happening. My question is why? Is there really some sort of plan to destroy Christian nations by flooding them with third worlders? This woman thinks so.

Should we take some random Jewish lady at her word that she speaks for all Jews when she says that Jews are going to help usher in a multicultural society in Europe?

You serious, Clark? You think the Jews are responsible for the influx of Muslims into Europe because of this lady's comments?

I thought you were a more serious poster than this. It seems you're now just trying to find clips of any random person that helps confirm your bias, and pretend it speaks to some larger issue among the Jews.

Again, you might want to look up the word "stereotype." That's what you're doing.
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In reply to sombear • 6:40a, 11/21/25
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That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.


Good, we agree on this then.

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I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.


Do you believe that the original covenant of Judaism was the Mosaic Covenant or the Abrahamic Covenant?
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In reply to muddybrazos • 6:41a, 11/21/25
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Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....

Well, if you read the Bible (I know, likely not) and have any familiarity with Jewish history, you would know that there is a long history of persecution of the Jewish people. God repeatedly disciplines them by allowing them to be conquered and enslaved. And so I could understand why a Jewish man might have a chip on his shoulder, especially given the antisemtism that has run rampant in Europe for almost a century, and has resulted in the murder of millions of Jews.

I suspect he doesn't literally mean that it's in their DNA, and was speaking rhetorically.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 6:42a, 11/21/25
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He should have been executed for this...

You are excitable and easily triggered, that's for sure.
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In reply to Realitybites • 6:49a, 11/21/25
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sombear said:
That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.


Good, we agree on this then.

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I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.


Do you believe that the original covenant of Judaism was the Mosaic Covenant or the Abrahamic Covenant?

Abrahamic. Mosaic was much later.
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In reply to Mothra • 6:52a, 11/21/25
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Realitybites said:
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That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.


Good, we agree on this then.

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I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.


Do you believe that the original covenant of Judaism was the Mosaic Covenant or the Abrahamic Covenant?

Abrahamic. Mosaic was much later.


That's precisely the point. However, it's quite clear that Abraham did not practice the religion known as Judaism as it did not exist for hundreds of years after he lived. His priest was Melchizedek, not a Levite. This is the foundation of your confusion on the issue. Judaism began with the *Mosaic* covenant. That is an indisputable fact. Understand that, and everything else (including Hebrews 8:13 and Galatians 5:2) fall into place.
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In reply to Mothra • 6:55a, 11/21/25
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Here are the things in the Bible that truly are important to me:

- Jesus is the son of God and died on the cross for our sins before coming back from the dead
- The Holy Spirit
- Power of prayer
- Sin and the devil are real
- Love your neighbor as yourself
- Set a good example and spread the Word
- Be part a church community
- Help those who need it
- Heaven (whatever and wherever it is) is a special place
- Hell (whatever and wherever it is) is not good and is separation from God
- Marriage is a sacred covenant

Beyond that, I really don't care too much.


Those are all very good things. But it doesn't seem to end there.

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But Jews being God's chosen people as the Bible describes is not synonymous with Christian salvation. I don't know exactly what it means. But Jews are a very important part of the Bible and God's plan, and they hold a special place in God's heart.

I would not want to oppose them. That's just me.


Nobody is talking about "opposing" or "hating" them. Lets just come to an accurate understanding of the state of play in 2025. Let's start by taking a look at the original Mosaic Covenant that God offered to the nation of Israel at the time He founded Judaism.

"'Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites." (Exodus 19:5-6)

This is the covenant as spoken by God himself. As you can see, the Mosaic covenant that practioners of Judaism are part of is a *conditional* covenant. There is no debate about that.

There is also no debate that almost immediately they began to drop the ball on their portion of that covenant. Judges 2:17, 2nd Kings 17:7-41, Daniel 9:11, and a theme repeated by the major and minor prophets.

This pattern culminated in the rejection of the Messiah, the destruction of the temple making the technical practice of Judaism impossible, and the cancellation of the Mosaic Covenant (Hebrews 8:13).

So can we get to a place of agreement that in 2025 AD, a practioner of Judaism (attempting to place themselves under the Mosaic Covenant) exclude themselves from being part of "God's Chosen People" as Paul states in Galatians 5:2?

I was not referring to you opposing Jews/Israel. I was referring to those countries and individuals directly attacking Israel. I would not want to be them now or ever. Things will not end well for them, just as things have not gone well for them. That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.

I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.

I see no other way to interpret Romans or the numerous OT and NT references to an everlasting covenant. Respectfully, I have no idea how you or anyone else interprets Galatians in that way. Galatians itself does not even hint at that in my view. And even if it could somehow morph into your view, it is outweighed by many more direct verses in the OT and NT.

Well said.

indeed. It is a fact that Western Civilization is in large part derivative of Judaism, certainly moreso than Greek culture. The stories of Adam & Eve, the Garden of Eden, the fall, the Passover, of Moses and the flight from Egpt, the parting of the Red Sea, the 10 Commandments., the Psalms.......take all of that tradition out of western Civ and things look different, do they not? Christ, fer crissakes, was a Jew!

Never have understood, though, the need to resolve the theological debates on that question. In plain geopolitical terms, Israel is an inexpensive and highly capable ally in an important part of the world. Few foreign aid programs have done more to further our interests. For that reason, the relationship is likely to outlast anyone posting on this board today. Only the sack cloth of anti-semitism could obscure that reality.

still waiting for one of our resident Israel haters to explain how our national security posture we would be better off if Israel did not exist.
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It is a fact that Western Civilization is in large part derivative of Judaism, certainly moreso than Greek culture. The stories of Adam & Eve, the Garden of Eden, the fall, the Passover, of Moses and the flight from Egpt, the parting of the Red Sea, the 10 Commandments., the Psalms.......take all of that tradition out of western Civ and things look different, do they not?


*Western* Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy.

*Christian* culture exists downstream of Christ's teachings and for many centuries was the defining ethos of the west and the east.

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Never have understood, though, the need to resolve the theological debates on that question.


Well, there are two separate debates.

The theological debate centers around whether Christian Zionism is correct theology and whether either (a) adherents of Judaism or (b) the Semitic race are God's chosen people. Those who advocate for that position answer in the affirmative to one degree or another.

The policy debate centers around whether the United States should be in the business of providing foreign aid to anyone with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 130% and a standard of living and currency that have plummeted over the past century.
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sombear said:
muddybrazos said:
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muddybrazos said:


Do a lot of Jews feel like this guy? We know that BIBI wants to destroy Rome bc they wrecked the temple. Hmmm.....


Wonder what Hammer's take is now that Western Europe is on track to have a large, if not a majority Semitic population this century.

Well, he probably agrees with that woman I posted above from 2015. They like to call the Kalergi plan an antisemtic conspiracy theory but oddly enough its playing out right in front of our eyes. They think Europeans have antisemitism in their DNA so they dont want Europe to be cultrually Christian nations any more. Hopefully there is a revolution soon. BTW, I was in Belgium very briefly during spring break last April and school was letting out. It was like I was in the Belgian congo not Belgium. There were no Belgians under the age of 20.

Y'all really need to snap out of this conspiracy BS. Go out, get some sunshine, take a walk, and thank God for how blessed we are.

But what are they talking about? Can you help us understand?


Who is they? The ramblings of some obscure professor who only made news because Jew haters posted and shared this video?

I have no idea what she means. But I guarantee some master Jew plan did not include Europe being taken over by Muslims.
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He should have been executed for this...

You are excitable and easily triggered, that's for sure.


You bleat for days like a wounded animal over Tucker and Fuentes.... but Jonathan Pollard, the worst spy and traitor in modern American history, doesn't raise your ire bcs he's one of those chosen people my cult has brainwashed me into worshipping as demi-gods.... I suppose this is why you seem to gloss over Epstein bcs he and Mossad are superior beings and have a divine right to rape underage gentiles to satisfy their vicious, repulsive, and unconscionable depravity
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And this kids, is why vaping is so dangerous. No telling what chemicals are in that thing, but the effects to cogent thought are catastrophic, as you see above.
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And this kids, is why vaping is so dangerous. No telling what chemicals are in that thing, but the effects to cogent thought are catastrophic, as you see above.


I agree. Which Is why I dont vape. I voted in favor of the Texas state proposition to fund dementia research because I every time I visit this board I am reminded how many of our seniors are effected by it.
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And this kids, is why vaping is so dangerous. No telling what chemicals are in that thing, but the effects to cogent thought are catastrophic, as you see above.


I agree. Which Is why I dont vape. I voted in favor of the Texas state proposition to fund dementia research because I every time I visit this board I am reminded how many of our seniors are effected by it.

I see now, you were mimicking dementia as you understand it.

You certainly came across as a demented poster, gotta give you that!
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In reply to whiterock • 5:31p, 11/21/25
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Mothra said:
sombear said:
Realitybites said:
sombear said:

Here are the things in the Bible that truly are important to me:

- Jesus is the son of God and died on the cross for our sins before coming back from the dead
- The Holy Spirit
- Power of prayer
- Sin and the devil are real
- Love your neighbor as yourself
- Set a good example and spread the Word
- Be part a church community
- Help those who need it
- Heaven (whatever and wherever it is) is a special place
- Hell (whatever and wherever it is) is not good and is separation from God
- Marriage is a sacred covenant

Beyond that, I really don't care too much.


Those are all very good things. But it doesn't seem to end there.

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But Jews being God's chosen people as the Bible describes is not synonymous with Christian salvation. I don't know exactly what it means. But Jews are a very important part of the Bible and God's plan, and they hold a special place in God's heart.

I would not want to oppose them. That's just me.


Nobody is talking about "opposing" or "hating" them. Lets just come to an accurate understanding of the state of play in 2025. Let's start by taking a look at the original Mosaic Covenant that God offered to the nation of Israel at the time He founded Judaism.

"'Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites." (Exodus 19:5-6)

This is the covenant as spoken by God himself. As you can see, the Mosaic covenant that practioners of Judaism are part of is a *conditional* covenant. There is no debate about that.

There is also no debate that almost immediately they began to drop the ball on their portion of that covenant. Judges 2:17, 2nd Kings 17:7-41, Daniel 9:11, and a theme repeated by the major and minor prophets.

This pattern culminated in the rejection of the Messiah, the destruction of the temple making the technical practice of Judaism impossible, and the cancellation of the Mosaic Covenant (Hebrews 8:13).

So can we get to a place of agreement that in 2025 AD, a practioner of Judaism (attempting to place themselves under the Mosaic Covenant) exclude themselves from being part of "God's Chosen People" as Paul states in Galatians 5:2?

I was not referring to you opposing Jews/Israel. I was referring to those countries and individuals directly attacking Israel. I would not want to be them now or ever. Things will not end well for them, just as things have not gone well for them. That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.

I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.

I see no other way to interpret Romans or the numerous OT and NT references to an everlasting covenant. Respectfully, I have no idea how you or anyone else interprets Galatians in that way. Galatians itself does not even hint at that in my view. And even if it could somehow morph into your view, it is outweighed by many more direct verses in the OT and NT.

Well said.

indeed. It is a fact that Western Civilization is in large part derivative of Judaism, certainly moreso than Greek culture. The stories of Adam & Eve, the Garden of Eden, the fall, the Passover, of Moses and the flight from Egpt, the parting of the Red Sea, the 10 Commandments., the Psalms.......take all of that tradition out of western Civ and things look different, do they not? Christ, fer crissakes, was a Jew!

Never have understood, though, the need to resolve the theological debates on that question. In plain geopolitical terms, Israel is an inexpensive and highly capable ally in an important part of the world. Few foreign aid programs have done more to further our interests. For that reason, the relationship is likely to outlast anyone posting on this board today. Only the sack cloth of anti-semitism could obscure that reality.

still waiting for one of our resident Israel haters to explain how our national security posture we would be better off if Israel did not exist.

How is Israel an inexpensive ally if we had to fork over 21.7 billion dollars in the last two years according to Military.com and 174 billion overall according to Congress.gov? We are already in heavy debt and giving away the seed corn for the next generation. The median age for people buying a home in the U.S. today is FIFTY-NINE. Who really is the hater here? Where is your love for young Americans?
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