I mean....I shouldn't support this....right....right??? Maybe??

Nick Fuentes to Trump: "Fúck you. You suck. You're fat, you're a joke, you're stupid, you're not funny... This entire thing has been a scam. We're gonna look back at MAGA movement as the biggest scam in history. The liberals were right... we will see Trump as a scam artist." pic.twitter.com/yEEYZmzM8r

— Ron Smith (@Ronxyz00) July 17, 2025

He’s talking about Thomas Massie.

And the reason he’s calling him an antisemite is because Massie said we shouldn’t bomb Iran or continue to give Israel billions per year.

See how that works? https://t.co/PZuRLbs6tl

— Lauren Witzke (@LaurenWitzkeDE) November 22, 2025

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It is a fact that Western Civilization is in large part derivative of Judaism, certainly moreso than Greek culture. The stories of Adam & Eve, the Garden of Eden, the fall, the Passover, of Moses and the flight from Egpt, the parting of the Red Sea, the 10 Commandments., the Psalms.......take all of that tradition out of western Civ and things look different, do they not?

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*Western* Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy.
Misread. Western Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy transformed by Christianity, which of course is an offshoot of Judaism.

*Christian* culture exists downstream of Christ's teachings and for many centuries was the defining ethos of the west and the east.

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Never have understood, though, the need to resolve the theological debates on that question.

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Well, there are two separate debates.

The theological debate centers around whether Christian Zionism is correct theology and whether either (a) adherents of Judaism or (b) the Semitic race are God's chosen people. Those who advocate for that position answer in the affirmative to one degree or another.

The policy debate centers around whether the United States should be in the business of providing foreign aid to anyone with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 130% and a standard of living and currency that have plummeted over the past century.

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Remove the Torah from the Bible and what do you have left? How do you arrive at Christianity without the Old Testament? And what do we have left if we remove Christianity from "western culture?" Polygamy, pederasty, pantheons of polytheism, etc.....

Judaism, if for no other reason than the 10 commandments, has had a greater effect on Western Civilization than Greece or Rome. The daily values that the have driven Western Civilization, and American in particular, are unique not because of Greek philosophers or Roman culture, but because of Judeo-Christian values.

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It is a fact that Western Civilization is in large part derivative of Judaism, certainly moreso than Greek culture. The stories of Adam & Eve, the Garden of Eden, the fall, the Passover, of Moses and the flight from Egpt, the parting of the Red Sea, the 10 Commandments., the Psalms.......take all of that tradition out of western Civ and things look different, do they not?

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*Western* Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy.
Misread. Western Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy transformed by Christianity, which of course is an offshoot of Judaism.

*Christian* culture exists downstream of Christ's teachings and for many centuries was the defining ethos of the west and the east.

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Never have understood, though, the need to resolve the theological debates on that question.

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Well, there are two separate debates.

The theological debate centers around whether Christian Zionism is correct theology and whether either (a) adherents of Judaism or (b) the Semitic race are God's chosen people. Those who advocate for that position answer in the affirmative to one degree or another.

The policy debate centers around whether the United States should be in the business of providing foreign aid to anyone with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 130% and a standard of living and currency that have plummeted over the past century.

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Remove the Torah from the Bible and what do you have left? How do you arrive at Christianity without the Old Testament? And what do we have left if we remove Christianity from "western culture?" Polygamy, pederasty, pantheons of polytheism, etc.....

Judaism, if for no other reason than the 10 commandments, has had a greater effect on Western Civilization than Greece or Rome. The daily values that the have driven Western Civilization, and American in particular, are unique not because of Greek philosophers or Roman culture, but because of Judeo-Christian values.

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From ancient Greece we received math, science, engineering, literature, philosophy....

Ancient Greece was the birthplace of Western Civilization... we were all taught this as children.

The fact that a couple Boomer Christian Zionists want to re-write history and claim Israel as the birthplace of Western Civilization wont stick.

Without the contributions of ancient Greece, humanity literally devolves back the bronze age.

Marjorie Greene was forced out of Congress by Donald Trump for criticizing Israel and voting to release the Epstein Files.

In other words, Trump destroyed his biggest loyalist for putting America First.

This is why I didn’t vote. MAGA is dead.

— Nicholas J. Fuentes (@NickJFuentes) November 22, 2025

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Remove the Torah from the Bible and what do you have left? How do you arrive at Christianity without the Old Testament?

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You still have Christianity. For decades the Gideons have been publishing pocket New Testaments without the Torah. I actually originally "got saved" reading such a New Testament. Sure you're missing the turn-by-turn navigation but you still get to the destination.

On the other hand, you can have the entire Septuagint without the New Testament and still be completely lost.

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Remove the Torah from the Bible and what do you have left? How do you arrive at Christianity without the Old Testament?

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You still have Christianity. For decades the Gideons have been publishing pocket New Testaments without the Torah. I actually originally "got saved" reading such a New Testament. Sure you're missing the turn-by-turn navigation but you still get to the destination.

On the other hand, you can have the entire Septuagint without the New Testament and still be completely lost.

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Good thing the book of Hebrews is in the New Testament to help with some of what's lost from not having the Old Testament in your NT plus Psalms.

Ted Cruz says a kid at Ole Miss asked a “viciously antisemitic” question by asking about the USS Liberty.

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It is a fact that Western Civilization is in large part derivative of Judaism, certainly moreso than Greek culture. The stories of Adam & Eve, the Garden of Eden, the fall, the Passover, of Moses and the flight from Egpt, the parting of the Red Sea, the 10 Commandments., the Psalms.......take all of that tradition out of western Civ and things look different, do they not?

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*Western* Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy.
Misread. Western Civilization is a direct descendant of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy transformed by Christianity, which of course is an offshoot of Judaism.

*Christian* culture exists downstream of Christ's teachings and for many centuries was the defining ethos of the west and the east.

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Never have understood, though, the need to resolve the theological debates on that question.

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Well, there are two separate debates.

The theological debate centers around whether Christian Zionism is correct theology and whether either (a) adherents of Judaism or (b) the Semitic race are God's chosen people. Those who advocate for that position answer in the affirmative to one degree or another.

The policy debate centers around whether the United States should be in the business of providing foreign aid to anyone with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 130% and a standard of living and currency that have plummeted over the past century.

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Remove the Torah from the Bible and what do you have left? How do you arrive at Christianity without the Old Testament? And what do we have left if we remove Christianity from "western culture?" Polygamy, pederasty, pantheons of polytheism, etc.....

Judaism, if for no other reason than the 10 commandments, has had a greater effect on Western Civilization than Greece or Rome. The daily values that the have driven Western Civilization, and American in particular, are unique not because of Greek philosophers or Roman culture, but because of Judeo-Christian values.

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From ancient Greece we received math, science, engineering, literature, philosophy....

Ancient Greece was the birthplace of Western Civilization... we were all taught this as children.

The fact that a couple Boomer Christian Zionists want to re-write history and claim Israel as the birthplace of Western Civilization wont stick.

Without the contributions of ancient Greece, humanity literally devolves back the bronze age.

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and yet, without Judeo-Christian values, even Greece isn't Greece today.

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You still have Christianity. For decades the Gideons have been publishing pocket New Testaments without the Torah. I actually originally "got saved" reading such a New Testament. Sure you're missing the turn-by-turn navigation but you still get to the destination.

On the other hand, you can have the entire Septuagint without the New Testament and still be completely lost.

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But do we still have Christianity? Christ was a Jew, sent by the God of the Jews, to change God's law for the Jews.... One cannot excise Judaism out of Christianity.

barBEARean is correct that ancient Greece heavily influenced Western civilization, but other civilizations had math, too. Other civilizations had science and engineering and philosophy, too. Western Civ actually uses Arabic numerals......

What sets Western Civ apart from the rest is Judeo-Christian values. Western philosophies on right & wrong go all the way back beyond the tablets Moses pulled from the burning bush and squarely into the Garden of Eden.

Your view of history is too small. Read the book The Bad Popes. It will give you a great deal of insight into the state of Western Civilization from a few hundred years before the schism through the reformation prior to the settlement of the North America. Hint: at a time when Constantinople was doing well, Western Europe was a disaster.

But the spread of Christianity in the first millenium absolutely did civilize a pagan culture...and as the west reverts to paganism, it is committing civilizational suicide.

And yes, simply from a textual perspective the NT without the OT still leaves you with Christianity. The OT without the NT leaves you with nothing.

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Your view of history is too small. Read the book The Bad Popes. It will give you a great deal of insight into the state of Western Civilization from a few hundred years before the schism through the reformation prior to the settlement of the North America. Hint: at a time when Constantinople was doing well, Western Europe was a disaster.
LOL. "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth....."
Constantinople was the center of Western Civilization for a several centuries. It was that part of the Roman Empire which survived the collapse of Rome (and included....Greece).

But the spread of Christianity in the first millenium absolutely did civilize a pagan culture...and as the west reverts to paganism, it is committing civilizational suicide.
But you make my point...... Judeo-Christian values are literally what makes the West the West.

And yes, simply from a textual perspective the NT without the OT still leaves you with Christianity. The OT without the NT leaves you with nothing.
Highly debatable theological point. I see a chicken/egg conundrum. How does one have a Christ without the Jew? (Christ was the fulfillment of Jewish prophesy, sent by the Jewish God, to......)

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to take that last line of reasoning further......if the Islamic world adopts Greco-Roman philosophy and science, are they still islamic societies? Yes. (we call it the islamic world for a reason).

the laws of science are constant across cultures. Philosophers eastern & western find truths that are timeless to all. It is faith (or lack of it) which orders societies most. And in Western Civilization, that faith is the Judeo-Christian tradition. Europeans may be Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox or Amish or whatever.....but what it all has in common is that all goes back thru the Psalms, past the Burning Bush, directly to the Garden of Eden.

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Science? Sure.

Philosophy? Not a chance.

There's zero chance any part of the Islamic world would permit an altar "To the unknown God", given allahu akbar and all. The Islamic world is what it is precisely because of their violent rejection of, and attempt to exterminate all other schools of thought.

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Good thing the book of Hebrews is in the New Testament to help with some of what's lost from not having the Old Testament in your NT plus Psalms.

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Hebrews is a very good summary of how the Old Obsolete Mosaic Covenant of Judaism relates to the New Covenant Christ established. It is enlightening, though not necessary for salvation. If you really wanted to boil it down, The Gospels + Acts + Romans + James + Revelation is the Cliffs Notes version of Christianity.

Remind me again, who invented Algebra?

Nick Fuentes is asked if Kamala would have been better than Trump and explains to the MAGAtards for the 100th time. Will they ever get it?

“How much more can we explain it? That mindset is how they keep us controlled.”

“If you can’t understand that go watch Steven Crowder and… pic.twitter.com/QluApMj6Vx

— Fractured Light (@FracturedLight0) November 22, 2025

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Remove the Torah from the Bible and what do you have left? How do you arrive at Christianity without the Old Testament?

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You still have Christianity. For decades the Gideons have been publishing pocket New Testaments without the Torah. I actually originally "got saved" reading such a New Testament. Sure you're missing the turn-by-turn navigation but you still get to the destination.

On the other hand, you can have the entire Septuagint without the New Testament and still be completely lost.

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But do we still have Christianity? Christ was a Jew, sent by the God of the Jews, to change God's law for the Jews.... One cannot excise Judaism out of Christianity.

barBEARean is correct that ancient Greece heavily influenced Western civilization, but other civilizations had math, too. Other civilizations had science and engineering and philosophy, too. Western Civ actually uses Arabic numerals......

What sets Western Civ apart from the rest is Judeo-Christian values. Western philosophies on right & wrong go all the way back beyond the tablets Moses pulled from the burning bush and squarely into the Garden of Eden.

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If you cant excise Judaism from Christianity... then you have to accept the Judeo view that Christ was the ******* son of a Roman soldier and not the son of god..... that removes all the spiritual elements of Christianity and turns it from a religion into a philosophical movement like Confucianism.

You seem even more spiteful than usual, babyBearian.

Just find out you're on the Naughty List again?

US Ambassador Mike Huckabee demands that Christians understand they have a moral debt owed to the Jewish people.

He insists that no one can truly be a Christian without recognizing that the entire faith is built on the foundation of Judaism.

Huckabee says he can’t understand… pic.twitter.com/tThfhIzBf3

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) November 23, 2025

Even Nick Fuentes is lashing out at Tucker now, and he has a point. Tucker and Nick had a jovial dinner and then chatted together, like ideological soulmates, and then Tucker turns around and calls him an anti-Semite! Nick has come to see Tucker is not a straight shooter. pic.twitter.com/LjANAP2itu

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) November 23, 2025

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Science? Sure.

Philosophy? Not a chance.

There's zero chance any part of the Islamic world would permit an altar "To the unknown God", given allahu akbar and all. The Islamic world is what it is precisely because of their violent rejection of, and attempt to exterminate all other schools of thought.

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Exactly. We call it the islamic world because islam orders those societies (and does so to a far more exacting degree than any other current order of civilization).

But the same dynamic is true for India and Hinduism.
And also for most Asian countries and Buddhism.
And the same dynamic is manifestly true for the western world = what differentiates us most from the others are Judeo-Christian values.

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Even Nick Fuentes is lashing out at Tucker now, and he has a point. Tucker and Nick had a jovial dinner and then chatted together, like ideological soulmates, and then Tucker turns around and calls him an anti-Semite! Nick has come to see Tucker is not a straight shooter. pic.twitter.com/LjANAP2itu

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) November 23, 2025

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Don't cancel. Engage and win the argument.

The answer to problem speech is more speech.

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And the same dynamic is manifestly true for the western world = what differentiates us most from the others are Judeo-Christian values.

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There are Jewish values, and there are Christian values. They intersect in some places on paper (ie the Ten Commandments). There are many places (most of the morality of the NT, specifically Matthew 5) where they do not.

You can see this difference play out in real life by visiting an Orthodox Jewish community in New York and a Monastic Community on Mount Athos.

There is no Judeo-Christian religion.

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And the same dynamic is manifestly true for the western world = what differentiates us most from the others are Judeo-Christian values.

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There are Jewish values, and there are Christian values. They intersect in some places on paper (ie the Ten Commandments). There are many places (most of the morality of the NT, specifically Matthew 5) where they do not.
LOL "some places on paper...." reminded me of the time a turban clad lady said "some people did something" on 9/11.

You can see this difference play out in real life by visiting an Orthodox Jewish community in New York and a Monastic Community on Mount Athos.

There is no Judeo-Christian religion.
Some Jews and Christians would agree with you on that (on theology); but most of the world would see it quite a bit closer to what I have explained. (on sociology).

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Here's what AI says you should consider:


Overview of Judeo-Christian Values
Judeo-Christian values refer to a set of ethical principles and moral beliefs shared by Judaism and Christianity. These values have significantly influenced Western culture, particularly in the United States.
Key Principles
Common Beliefs

• Monotheism: Belief in one God, as introduced in the Hebrew Bible.
• Moral Absolutism: The idea that certain actions are inherently right or wrong, guided by divine law.
• Human Dignity: The belief that all individuals are created in the image of God, which underpins the concept of human rights.

Ethical Guidelines

• The Ten Commandments: A foundational element of Judeo-Christian ethics, providing moral directives.
• Love and Compassion: Emphasis on loving one's neighbor and showing compassion to others, as taught in both traditions.

Historical Context
Emergence of the Term

• The term "Judeo-Christian" was first used in print by George Orwell in 1941, highlighting the shared moral framework of Jews and Christians.
• It gained prominence in American political discourse, particularly during the mid-20th century, as leaders like Franklin D. Roosevelt and Lyndon B. Johnson invoked these values to unify the nation.

Influence on Society

• Judeo-Christian values have been associated with various social and political movements, particularly among conservative groups advocating for moral legislation.
• These values are often cited as a response to perceived moral decline in society, emphasizing the need for a return to these foundational principles.

Conclusion
Judeo-Christian values represent a significant ethical framework that has shaped laws, politics, and social norms in Western societies. They continue to be a point of reference in discussions about morality and ethics today.

The idea that Judaism is something completely disconnected from Western Civilization is simply not supportable. It is not just a part of western culture, it is a foundation stone of it. Sure, one could argue that Christianity did most of the work, but, then......the Old Testament is an integral part of Christianity. Christ was a Jew, fer crissakes. The best argument you have is that the phrase "Judeo-Christian values" was a construction of WWII propaganda, to build opposition to Nazi Germany, specifically the Holocaust.

Problem is one just cannot surgically excise Judaism from Christianity. Judaism is the foundation, the context in which Christianity arose, and so many basic premises of the two faiths are the same. To create chasms, one has to focus on the theological differences surrounding Christ and ignore the larger sociological picture.

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And the same dynamic is manifestly true for the western world = what differentiates us most from the others are Judeo-Christian values.

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There are Jewish values, and there are Christian values. They intersect in some places on paper (ie the Ten Commandments). There are many places (most of the morality of the NT, specifically Matthew 5) where they do not.
LOL "some places on paper...." reminded me of the time a turban clad lady said "some people did something" on 9/11.

You can see this difference play out in real life by visiting an Orthodox Jewish community in New York and a Monastic Community on Mount Athos.

There is no Judeo-Christian religion.
Some Jews and Christians would agree with you on that (on theology); but most of the world would see it quite a bit closer to what I have explained. (on sociology).

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Here's what AI says you should consider:


Overview of Judeo-Christian Values
Judeo-Christian values refer to a set of ethical principles and moral beliefs shared by Judaism and Christianity. These values have significantly influenced Western culture, particularly in the United States.
Key Principles
Common Beliefs

• Monotheism: Belief in one God, as introduced in the Hebrew Bible.
• Moral Absolutism: The idea that certain actions are inherently right or wrong, guided by divine law.
• Human Dignity: The belief that all individuals are created in the image of God, which underpins the concept of human rights.

Ethical Guidelines

• The Ten Commandments: A foundational element of Judeo-Christian ethics, providing moral directives.
• Love and Compassion: Emphasis on loving one's neighbor and showing compassion to others, as taught in both traditions.

Historical Context
Emergence of the Term

• The term "Judeo-Christian" was first used in print by George Orwell in 1941, highlighting the shared moral framework of Jews and Christians.
• It gained prominence in American political discourse, particularly during the mid-20th century, as leaders like Franklin D. Roosevelt and Lyndon B. Johnson invoked these values to unify the nation.

Influence on Society

• Judeo-Christian values have been associated with various social and political movements, particularly among conservative groups advocating for moral legislation.
• These values are often cited as a response to perceived moral decline in society, emphasizing the need for a return to these foundational principles.

Conclusion
Judeo-Christian values represent a significant ethical framework that has shaped laws, politics, and social norms in Western societies. They continue to be a point of reference in discussions about morality and ethics today.

The idea that Judaism is something completely disconnected from Western Civilization is simply not supportable. It is not just a part of western culture, it is a foundation stone of it. Sure, one could argue that Christianity did most of the work, but, then......the Old Testament is an integral part of Christianity. Christ was a Jew, fer crissakes. The best argument you have is that the phrase "Judeo-Christian values" was a construction of WWII propaganda, to build opposition to Nazi Germany, specifically the Holocaust.

Problem is one just cannot surgically excise Judaism from Christianity. Judaism is the foundation, the context in which Christianity arose, and so many basic premises of the two faiths are the same. To create chasms, one has to focus on the theological differences surrounding Christ and ignore the larger sociological picture.

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If you are a follower of Judeo-Christian values, Christ was only half Jewish... the other half was Roman.

If you ignore this you are not following Judeo teaching and are a surreptitious liar.

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That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.

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I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.

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Abrahamic. Mosaic was much later.

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That's precisely the point. However, it's quite clear that Abraham did not practice the religion known as Judaism as it did not exist for hundreds of years after he lived. His priest was Melchizedek, not a Levite. This is the foundation of your confusion on the issue. Judaism began with the *Mosaic* covenant. That is an indisputable fact. Understand that, and everything else (including Hebrews 8:13 and Galatians 5:2) fall into place.

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This position doesn't make a lick of sense.

Explain, please.

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That said, I also would not want to be anyone who discriminates against Jews. I do not think that includes legitimate policy differences - and, again, that's not a direct or passive-aggressive shot at any posters. Just my true belief.

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I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.

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That's precisely the point. However, it's quite clear that Abraham did not practice the religion known as Judaism as it did not exist for hundreds of years after he lived. His priest was Melchizedek, not a Levite. This is the foundation of your confusion on the issue. Judaism began with the *Mosaic* covenant. That is an indisputable fact. Understand that, and everything else (including Hebrews 8:13 and Galatians 5:2) fall into place.

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This position doesn't make a lick of sense.

Explain, please.

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What part of it would you like explained?

The matter of Abraham not practicing the religion known as Judaism because it was founded hundreds of years after he lived is a matter of the historical record. Judaism has very specific dictates that are written down in Leviticus and Deuteronomy to be carried out by a Levitical priesthood.

The matter of Abraham worshipping through the priesthood of Melchizedek, of whom Christ is our high priest is recorded in the Bible consistently (Genesis 14. Psalm 110, Hebrews 7).

It's all quite self explanatory really. You can't understand it because you're starting with the false premise that practioners of Judaism are part of the Abrahamic covenant, not the Mosaic one.

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I don't think any of the citations support your argument in any way. To me, the OT and NT are crystal clear: God made an everlasting promise to Israel/Jews. Yes, like most everyone else, they defied God and continue to reject Jesus. That is all laid out in detail. God predicted as much. It is equally clear, however, that nothing Israel/the Jews have done terminates the original promises or covenant.

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That's precisely the point. However, it's quite clear that Abraham did not practice the religion known as Judaism as it did not exist for hundreds of years after he lived. His priest was Melchizedek, not a Levite. This is the foundation of your confusion on the issue. Judaism began with the *Mosaic* covenant. That is an indisputable fact. Understand that, and everything else (including Hebrews 8:13 and Galatians 5:2) fall into place.

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This position doesn't make a lick of sense.

Explain, please.

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What part of it would you like explained?

The matter of Abraham not practicing the religion known as Judaism because it was founded hundreds of years after he lived is a matter of the historical record. Judaism has very specific dictates that are written down in Leviticus and Deuteronomy to be carried out by a Levitical priesthood.

The matter of Abraham worshipping through the priesthood of Melchizedek, of whom Christ is our high priest is recorded in the Bible consistently (Genesis 14. Psalm 110, Hebrews 7).

It's all quite self explanatory really. You can't understand it because you're starting with the false premise that practioners of Judaism are part of the Abrahamic covenant, not the Mosaic one.

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I am trying to figure out what you believe this proves. You seem to be trying to make a correlation between two unrelated issues. You seem to believe, for some unapparent reason, that the Mosaic covenant being newer somehow gives a different meaning to the verses in question.

In short, you seem to be making an unexplainable logical leap. And that's what I am trying to figure out. Your position doesn't make sense.

Nick Fuentes talks about what Day 1 would look like when he's President.

"I'm bringing the National Guard EVERYWHERE in the Major Cities & taking away Women's right to Vote." pic.twitter.com/y3KMASVefL

— KaizerRev (@Kaizerrev) November 25, 2025

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Nick Fuentes talks about what Day 1 would look like when he's President.

"I'm bringing the National Guard EVERYWHERE in the Major Cities & taking away Women's right to Vote." pic.twitter.com/y3KMASVefL

— KaizerRev (@Kaizerrev) November 25, 2025

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Well, we know he has no chance for the presidency.

Trying to separate Abraham and Israel.

Tucker Carlson answers why he interviewed Fuentes on Facebook:

This was the reason to interview Nick Fuentes in the first place: a lot of young men in America, mostly white but not exclusively, listen to him really carefully. And the lesson that our professional betters in Washington have drawn over the past few weeks is that means they're as bad as Nick Fuentes. They're Nazis too.

But of course, they're not Nazis by and large. They're just American young people. And so the question isand it's a pressing question if you care about the future of the countrywhy have they been listening to Nick Fuentes? What is this? Why aren't they listening to somebody from the Heritage Foundation or the Daily Wire? Why do they believe Nick Fuentes more than they believe the people who think they ought to have a monopoly on the attention of young conservatives? That is a really important question. And what does it say, not simply about their attitudes, but about the problems they face, the society they grew up in, the future they imagine for themselves. What does all of this say about why Fuentes is so popular among young men?

After all, young men really are kind of the basis of our hope for continuing as a country. So if they're off in some direction that you don't understand, it's probably incumbent on you to try to understand it to the extent you can. You know, it's hard to understand other people's motives, and it's even harder when they're in a different generation. But making a good faith effort to figure out what is this, well, that's on us. "Us" being, you know, everyone with a job who's not in that generation, all the beneficiaries of a stronger, more cohesive America, the America we grew up in, which doesn't exist anymore. Our responsibility is to look at newer generations and say, what's going on with them? Can we help in any way? If we care about our country, if we care about our own families, our children and grandchildren, we probably want to do that. It's probably not enough to call them names. It doesn't work, for one thing. It just makes whatever we claim to dislike even stronger. If there's one lesson of the Trump 2015 announcement and everything that's happened since then, the last 10 years, it's that.

Watch the full monologue here: https://watchtcn.co/3Teik9x
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US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee:

If we don't stand with the Jewish people, then one day they're going to be coming after us, too. pic.twitter.com/FuNVG5oeRT

— Current Report (@Currentreport1) November 24, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee:

If we don't stand with the Jewish people, then one day they're going to be coming after us, too. pic.twitter.com/FuNVG5oeRT

— Current Report (@Currentreport1) November 24, 2025

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Bring it on. There a lot of good men who are willing to do bad things to save what is left of this country. Jews can get in line behind the Muslims....If CW2 happens - it will be quick and decisive.

BluesBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee:

If we don't stand with the Jewish people, then one day they're going to be coming after us, too. pic.twitter.com/FuNVG5oeRT

— Current Report (@Currentreport1) November 24, 2025

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Bring it on. There a lot of good men who are willing to do bad things to save what is left of this country. Jews can get in line behind the Muslims....If CW2 happens - it will be quick and decisive.

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How the hell does Mike Huckabee still have a job after a secret meeting with the worst spy in American history... arguably even worse than the Rosenbergs?


I am so sick of these traitorious Boomers defending the most evil people on the planet at the expense of this country