Imagine willfully not trying tohonor Mary as much as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 9:12p, 10/14/26
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The reason we know Jesus has no brothers and sisters (from the same Womb) is from his own Words


If you are standing on the verse I think you are, then you are also claiming Jesus said He has no mother.


Please show your work

First you show what you called 'his own Words'. I will then either agree with you, or explain why you are wrong.

Fre3dombear, you going to answer that or not?


Gladly. I merely ask 2 minutes of your time. Listen to the whole video if youd like. Here's His own words:



Jesus is the reason why we don't believe Jesus had brothers and sisters who were siblings.

This of course was written about by contemporaries feom the beginning as well as I've already posted.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 9:43p, 10/14/26
Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 9:53p, 10/14/26
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Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 7:33a, 10/15/26
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In 40 AD, the Son of God had been crucified and resurrected from the dead, never to die again. He had ascended to His Father and had sat down at the right hand of His Father, making intercession for all the saints as every believer's Advocate before the Father.

Yet in this painting, there is a baby in the alleged Marian apparition's arms. Who is the baby?


Jesus
How so? Show your work.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 10:17a, 10/15/26
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.

Don't point to some video that - if challenged - you can say 'well that's not what I said or meant'.

You plainly said Jesus denied having brothers or sisters. Cite the verses.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 3:27p, 10/15/26
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Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.

Don't point to some video that - if challenged - you can say 'well that's not what I said or meant'.

You plainly said Jesus denied having brothers or sisters. Cite the verses.


If you click the button it will say it immediately ajd explain it so a 4 year old can umderstand in < 30 seconds

Dont be lazy. Seek knowledge. Dont be proud. Share and bring others to the faith

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In reply to Fre3dombear • 3:50p, 10/15/26
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
is again:

Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.

Don't point to some video that - if challenged - you can say 'well that's not what I said or meant'.

You plainly said Jesus denied having brothers or sisters. Cite the verses.


If you click the button it will say it immediately ajd explain it so a 4 year old can umderstand in < 30 seconds

Dont be lazy. Seek knowledge. Dont be proud. Share and bring others to the faith


I see you did not bother to read what I wrote, so here it is again:

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:08p, 10/15/26
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
is again:

Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.

Don't point to some video that - if challenged - you can say 'well that's not what I said or meant'.

You plainly said Jesus denied having brothers or sisters. Cite the verses.


If you click the button it will say it immediately ajd explain it so a 4 year old can umderstand in < 30 seconds

Dont be lazy. Seek knowledge. Dont be proud. Share and bring others to the faith


I see you did not bother to read what I wrote, so here it is again:

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.


I have cited the verses. Just click the button.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 11:27p, 10/15/26
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
is again:

Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.

Don't point to some video that - if challenged - you can say 'well that's not what I said or meant'.

You plainly said Jesus denied having brothers or sisters. Cite the verses.


If you click the button it will say it immediately ajd explain it so a 4 year old can umderstand in < 30 seconds

Dont be lazy. Seek knowledge. Dont be proud. Share and bring others to the faith


I see you did not bother to read what I wrote, so here it is again:

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.


I have cited the verses. Just click the button.

That's a lie. You posted a video, you did not cite the verses.


A reasonable person would wonder why you cannot just provide your citations.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:31p, 10/15/26
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Fre3dombear said:
Oldbear83 said:
is again:

Please cite the verses, don't sell a video.


Watch the clip. The verses are cited. Dont be lazy. Are you scared? You could have watched it faster than typing that post lmao

Not selling anything. The video is free for those with eyes that can see.

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.

Don't point to some video that - if challenged - you can say 'well that's not what I said or meant'.

You plainly said Jesus denied having brothers or sisters. Cite the verses.


If you click the button it will say it immediately ajd explain it so a 4 year old can umderstand in < 30 seconds

Dont be lazy. Seek knowledge. Dont be proud. Share and bring others to the faith


I see you did not bother to read what I wrote, so here it is again:

How about you 'don't be lazy' ? You are the one here claiming Jesus's own words denied having brothers and sisters, so cite the verses or admit you are making them up.


I have cited the verses. Just click the button.

That's a lie. You posted a video, you did not cite the verses.


A reasonable person would wonder why you cannot just provide your citations.


You asked i cite the verses. You didn't tell me what medium. I set the link to The second where the verses are cited. This is comical. Click and listen and learn. Simple. It's the red text. praise God!!!

Why so scared?
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11:31p, 10/15/26


Oh my.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 11:44p, 10/15/26
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Oh my.

If they're against all "graven images," I wonder why they didn't smash a statue of Jesus.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 12:25a, 10/16/26
Not scared, just not conned.

Cite the verses. You obviously can type, why are you so unwilling to just cite where you say Jesus said He had no brothers or sisters?
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 11:25p, 10/16/26
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Oh my.

Children smashing plastic -

Roman Catholics: "This is so evil!"


Roman Catholic Church official prayer - "MARY, you delivered me from Hell, and in your hands I place my salvation; you are the salvation of my soul, and I promise to serve you willingly forever" -

Roman Catholics: "Nothing wrong here!"
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 12:53a, 10/17/26
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Fre3dombear said:


Oh my.

Children smashing plastic -

Roman Catholics: "This is so evil!"


Roman Catholic Church official prayer - "MARY, you delivered me from Hell, and in your hands I place my salvation; you are the salvation of my soul, and I promise to serve you willingly forever" -

Roman Catholics: "Nothing wrong here!"

Would you smash a statue of Jesus?
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11:15a, 10/17/26



Never heard a 2 minute homily
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 11:23a, 10/17/26
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Fre3dombear said:


Oh my.

If they're against all "graven images," I wonder why they didn't smash a statue of Jesus.

That's a great question. Thanks for asking it.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 1:20p, 10/17/26
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Fre3dombear said:


Oh my.

If they're against all "graven images," I wonder why they didn't smash a statue of Jesus.


So theyd be smashing the cherubim etc God commanded to be built into the ark?

He calls the angels demons too. Bizarre
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 3:46p, 10/17/26
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Fre3dombear said:


Oh my.

Children smashing plastic -

Roman Catholics: "This is so evil!"


Roman Catholic Church official prayer - "MARY, you delivered me from Hell, and in your hands I place my salvation; you are the salvation of my soul, and I promise to serve you willingly forever" -

Roman Catholics: "Nothing wrong here!"

Would you smash a statue of Jesus?

I would just discard it. But if those important to me were bowing to it and kissing it, I would smash it to show them it too is just plastic and not the real Jesus, and not the way Jesus wants you to come to him, which is in spirit and in truth rather than through a man-made image.

Would you pray that prayer above to Mary?
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 7:58p, 10/17/26
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Fre3dombear said:


Oh my.

Children smashing plastic -

Roman Catholics: "This is so evil!"


Roman Catholic Church official prayer - "MARY, you delivered me from Hell, and in your hands I place my salvation; you are the salvation of my soul, and I promise to serve you willingly forever" -

Roman Catholics: "Nothing wrong here!"

Would you smash a statue of Jesus?

I would just discard it. But if those important to me were bowing to it and kissing it, I would smash it to show them it too is just plastic and not the real Jesus, and not the way Jesus wants you to come to him, which is in spirit and in truth rather than through a man-made image.

Would you pray that prayer above to Mary?

How do you feel about secular images and symbols? For example, if you saw someone saluting the flag, would you feel the need to burn it in order to show them that it isn't the real America?

I'm not familiar with that prayer, but I think it's all right if properly understood.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 10:24p, 10/17/26
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Fre3dombear said:


Oh my.

Children smashing plastic -

Roman Catholics: "This is so evil!"


Roman Catholic Church official prayer - "MARY, you delivered me from Hell, and in your hands I place my salvation; you are the salvation of my soul, and I promise to serve you willingly forever" -

Roman Catholics: "Nothing wrong here!"

Would you smash a statue of Jesus?

I would just discard it. But if those important to me were bowing to it and kissing it, I would smash it to show them it too is just plastic and not the real Jesus, and not the way Jesus wants you to come to him, which is in spirit and in truth rather than through a man-made image.

Would you pray that prayer above to Mary?

How do you feel about secular images and symbols? For example, if you saw someone saluting the flag, would you feel the need to burn it in order to show them that it isn't the real America?

I'm not familiar with that prayer, but I think it's all right if properly understood.

Just gonna put it to you straight - if you truly can't see the difference between saluting a flag and bowing and praying to and kissing an image, then it's pretty obvious you aren't a believer, because cleary you have absolutely ZERO of the discernment that comes from the Holy Spirit which indwells all believers. Your second paragraph pretty much removes all doubt about this.

I don't say this to attack you, I say this to tell you the truth that you badly need to hear, but won't likely hear from others here, due to a general lack of clarity and truth from many here in threads like these. You really have some serious thinking to do.

This goes for everyone who shares your view. Don't say you were never warned.
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 10:44p, 10/17/26
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 7:10p, 10/18/26
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Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 7:37p, 10/18/26
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 7:41p, 10/18/26
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 8:11p, 10/18/26
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 9:17p, 10/18/26
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?

Or maybe you could stop pretending that you haven't read or been part of this exact discussion the many times it's happened before, and know the answer?

Again - since you don't see the problem with that prayer to Mary, it's pointless to "explain" idolatry to you. If you can't see it there, then you're never going to see it. It's clear you aren't here for any explanation or answers to your question, you're here to justify your wickedness. You may think you're making a good point, but the only ones who think so are the ones who are under the same deception as you. True Christians know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm glad you're being exposed for their sake.

Know these guys by their fruits, people.
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 9:26p, 10/18/26
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?

Or maybe you could stop pretending that you haven't read or been part of this exact discussion the many times it's happened before, and know the answer?

Again - since you don't see the problem with that prayer to Mary, it's pointless to "explain" idolatry to you. If you can't see it there, then you're never going to see it. It's clear you aren't here for any explanation or answers to your question, you're here to justify your wickedness. You may think you're making a good point, but the only ones who think so are the ones who are under the same deception as you. True Christians know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm glad you're being exposed for their sake.

Know these guys by their fruits, people.

There are only 24 hours in a day, brother. I don't read everything you post.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 9:34p, 10/18/26
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Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?

Or maybe you could stop pretending that you haven't read or been part of this exact discussion the many times it's happened before, and know the answer?

Again - since you don't see the problem with that prayer to Mary, it's pointless to "explain" idolatry to you. If you can't see it there, then you're never going to see it. It's clear you aren't here for any explanation or answers to your question, you're here to justify your wickedness. You may think you're making a good point, but the only ones who think so are the ones who are under the same deception as you. True Christians know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm glad you're being exposed for their sake.

Know these guys by their fruits, people.

There are only 24 hours in a day, brother. I don't read everything you post.

We aren't brothers. I wish we were, but we are clearly not.
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 9:40p, 10/18/26
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?

Or maybe you could stop pretending that you haven't read or been part of this exact discussion the many times it's happened before, and know the answer?

Again - since you don't see the problem with that prayer to Mary, it's pointless to "explain" idolatry to you. If you can't see it there, then you're never going to see it. It's clear you aren't here for any explanation or answers to your question, you're here to justify your wickedness. You may think you're making a good point, but the only ones who think so are the ones who are under the same deception as you. True Christians know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm glad you're being exposed for their sake.

Know these guys by their fruits, people.

There are only 24 hours in a day, brother. I don't read everything you post.

We aren't brothers. I wish we were, but we are clearly not.
All right, sorry for trying to talk then.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 9:44p, 10/18/26
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?

Or maybe you could stop pretending that you haven't read or been part of this exact discussion the many times it's happened before, and know the answer?

Again - since you don't see the problem with that prayer to Mary, it's pointless to "explain" idolatry to you. If you can't see it there, then you're never going to see it. It's clear you aren't here for any explanation or answers to your question, you're here to justify your wickedness. You may think you're making a good point, but the only ones who think so are the ones who are under the same deception as you. True Christians know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm glad you're being exposed for their sake.

Know these guys by their fruits, people.

There are only 24 hours in a day, brother. I don't read everything you post.

We aren't brothers. I wish we were, but we are clearly not.

All right, sorry for trying to talk then.

No one's discouraging you from talking. I'm glad that you are.
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In reply to BusyTarpDuster2017 • 9:56p, 10/18/26
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Well, explain it to me. If you give a sign of respect to a flag representing your country or an image representing your Savior, what is the difference?

Stop pretending you haven't heard the explanation. No one believes you're being genuine.

And again - if you truly believe that Marian prayer is okay, then you are too far gone for an explanation about idolatry. You're not here for an explanation, you're here to trample on it. It's pearls before swine at this point. I am, however, glad that you engage me and say what you say, because it really helps demonstrate exactly what I'm saying about the Roman Catholic Church.

Know them by their fruits, people.

The tradition of honoring icons comes from a time when things like bowing were common expressions of respect. Saluting a flag is much the same thing. It's not directed to the object itself, but to what it represents.

I'm not here to trample on your beliefs. If anything you seem to be doing that of which you accuse me. Again, I'm just hoping you might take an interest in understanding the beliefs you are so devoted to criticizing.

The tradition of not just "honoring", but bowing and praying to images and statues came from a time when Christianity became Romanized by compromosing with it's pagan practices and beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be blaming you as much as I should be your church, which hid the second commandment from you.

Or maybe you could answer my question? We can talk about praying later (Catholics don't pray to statues), but your original point was about bowing. How is that so different from saluting or placing a hand over your heart?

Or maybe you could stop pretending that you haven't read or been part of this exact discussion the many times it's happened before, and know the answer?

Again - since you don't see the problem with that prayer to Mary, it's pointless to "explain" idolatry to you. If you can't see it there, then you're never going to see it. It's clear you aren't here for any explanation or answers to your question, you're here to justify your wickedness. You may think you're making a good point, but the only ones who think so are the ones who are under the same deception as you. True Christians know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm glad you're being exposed for their sake.

Know these guys by their fruits, people.

There are only 24 hours in a day, brother. I don't read everything you post.

We aren't brothers. I wish we were, but we are clearly not.

All right, sorry for trying to talk then.

No one's discouraging you from talking. I'm glad that you are.
No point if there's no engagement. But do carry on.
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