President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Osodecentx
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Mitch Blood Green said:

National Counterterrorism Center resigns over Iran war


And you know what that means….
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Mitch Blood Green said:

National Counterterrorism Center resigns over Iran war


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/national-counterterrorism-center-resigns-iran-war-rcna263692
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Osodecentx said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

National Counterterrorism Center resigns over Iran war


And you know what that means….


It means I don't post the link.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/national-counterterrorism-center-resigns-iran-war-rcna263692
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KaiBear
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historian said:

KaiBear said:

During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.



Everything was, at least essential goods were

Yep

Imagine the epic meltdown if our entitled population had to make similar sacrifices during this war ?
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I don't see how DC doesn't want this to escalate or continue for years.


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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

We don't know the extent of...ond.






Finishing the job is a near impossibility. This is Gaza x 1000. No one has th.....................their leadership structure, decimated their internal infrastructure, but its people and society continued to rally around Nazism and its ideals.

Maybe Gaza x100 With 1000x the Downside Risk - and the time frame - given their stated objectives and continued steady progress towards enrichment and Ballistic Missile tech and underground facilities - confirm our need to go in ASAP.

- UF

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Doc Holliday said:




Yeah, I would say. Some idiots think these guys know and do nothing. Guy just dedicated his life to working on protecting American since 9/11. His resignation letter is linked below. You may not agree with all his politics, I don't, but he knows war and intel.

It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people believe that all Government employees do nothing of value.



Joe Kent resignation as posted to Twitter - Joe Kent - Wikipedia

In a real quagmire here, it is a mess now that it is on and finishing Iran seems only logical move, but the cost is going to be too high for little return.
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:



It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?





If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.


Boomers have also kicked the can down the road with the national debt... since you all seem to finally be in the mood to confront your biggest messes, I am hoping we see substantive payments made by Boomers and Israel to reduce this massive burden instead of more half measures and false hope

I thought DOGE, Tariffs and taxes took care of that???
don't conflict Neanderthalis anymore than he already is.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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trey3216 said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

historian said:

boognish_bear said:



It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?





If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.


Boomers have also kicked the can down the road with the national debt... since you all seem to finally be in the mood to confront your biggest messes, I am hoping we see substantive payments made by Boomers and Israel to reduce this massive burden instead of more half measures and false hope

I thought DOGE, Tariffs and taxes took care of that???

don't conflict Neanderthalis anymore than he already is.


I read a lot, especially about things... about history... I find that **** fascinating. Here's a fact I don't know whether you know or not...

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KaiBear said:

historian said:

KaiBear said:

During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.



Everything was, at least essential goods were

Yep

Imagine the epic meltdown if our entitled population had to make similar sacrifices during this war ?


A interesting thought experiment would be…can any Western nation today make the sacrifices necessary to win a WWII like struggle?

Not talking "produce as much hardware as they did back then". But a real "can the People and State make the endless sacrifice in money, blood, and physiological stress needed to win"

I suspect the answer is no…..

Most people don't want to die or sacrifice all they have for a post-nation state, post religious order built on making everything a modern mere economic zone

PS

The U.S. military and Congress at the start of WWII planned for a 50-90 division strength army, 10 million+ men, and a decade long war. And in fact prepared to expanded that man power need and time frame if needed to win.
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

historian said:

KaiBear said:

During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.



Everything was, at least essential goods were

Yep

Imagine the epic meltdown if our entitled population had to make similar sacrifices during this war ?


A interesting thought experiment would be…can any Western nation today make the sacrifices necessary to win a WWII like struggle?

Not talking "produce as much hardware as they did back then". But a real "can the People and State make the endless sacrifice in money, blood, and physiological stress needed to win"

I suspect the answer is no…..

Most people don't want to die or sacrifice all they have for a post-nation state, post religious order built on making everything a modern mere economic zone

PS

The U.S. military and Congress at the start of WWII planned for a 50 division army, 10 million+ men, and decade long war. And in fact prepared to expanded that man power need and time frame if needed to win

given the rapid increase in AI and drones and robots, what exactly will be necessary??

might become TOO easy to wage war in the near future.....

- UF

... which might already be here.

D!

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Beat The 'Cats!!!

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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

historian said:

KaiBear said:

During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.



Everything was, at least essential goods were

Yep

Imagine the epic meltdown if our entitled population had to make similar sacrifices during this war ?


And interesting thought experiment would be…can any Western nation today make the sacrifices necessary to win a WWII like struggle?

Not talking "produce as much hardware as they did back then". But a real "can the People and State make the endless sacrifice in money, blood, and physiological stress needed to win"

I suspect the answer is no…..

Most people don't want to die or sacrifice all they have for a post-nation state, post religious order built on making everything a modern mere economic zone

100%

Having a shared culture, history, and lineage can rally a nation around the flag and motivate people to sacrifice for the greater good.

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Redbrickbear said:


A interesting thought experiment would be…can any Western nation today make the sacrifices necessary to win a WWII like struggle?

Imagine the epic meltdown if our entitled population had to make similar sacrifices during this war ?


It's not like the Iranians bombed Pearl Harbor.

There was plenty of domestic opposition to getting involved in the second world war up to that point.
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Yep. Click on the link and read it if you haven't yet.

Also, now we know why.

FBI Form FD-1023, 10/19/2020. Source ID S-00099701. Case File # 804I-LA-3315657-INTELPRODS

"CHS advised Chabad is doing everything they can to co-opt the Trump presidency. Chabad is basically state-sanctioned
Judaism. It is used by Putin to keep tabs on all the Russo-Jewish oligarchs. On the day Trump was elected President. Ivanka
Trump (Ivanka) and Jared were at the gravesite of Rabbi Scheersom, who was the most powerful Rabbi in the Chabad network.
Jared didn't disclose his stake in Cadre, because of its ties to the Russian state (NFI). CHS believed this was/is the "real" Russian
collusion story. Kushner has moved a lot of Russian investment money around. The FBI should investigate Kushner's family
charities to find evidence of corruption and money laundering. Chabad routinely uses charities to launder money."
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Kent did this correctly. If your boss is going in directions you can't support and won't listen to your advice, you resign. You don't resist and undermine like the embedded democrats do.

He's setting himself up for some good talk show money if he choses to go that route.

The conflict drags on. Trump desperately needs oil flow to continue through the straight for political reasons. I'm wondering why we don't escort ships through. I suspect it's currently too risky for our very expensive naval ships. Even if Japan was to mobilize their navy (which is probably modest) how long would it take to get there?

Iran is like if we are going down, we are going to make everyone feel the pain. Is droning the Gulf countries igoing to backfire? We will see.

This is going to really strain relations within NATO and the Ukraine war. Next time Ukraine comes with its hand out, I suspect Trump is going to send them to Europe and rightfully so.
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

historian said:

KaiBear said:

During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.



Everything was, at least essential goods were

Yep

Imagine the epic meltdown if our entitled population had to make similar sacrifices during this war ?


A interesting thought experiment would be…can any Western nation today make the sacrifices necessary to win a WWII like struggle?

Not talking "produce as much hardware as they did back then". But a real "can the People and State make the endless sacrifice in money, blood, and physiological stress needed to win"

I suspect the answer is no…..

Most people don't want to die or sacrifice all they have for a post-nation state, post religious order built on making everything a modern mere economic zone

PS

The U.S. military and Congress at the start of WWII planned for a 50-90 division strength army, 10 million+ men, and a decade long war. And in fact prepared to expanded that man power need and time frame if needed to win.


Poland would do what's needed.

Hungary, Switzerland, and Finland…..maybe.

Otherwise no.

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BearFan33 said:

Kent did this correctly. If your boss is going in directions you can't support and won't listen to your advice, you resign. You don't resist and undermine like the embedded democrats do.

He's setting himself up for some good talk show money if he choses to go that route.

The conflict drags on. Trump desperately needs oil flow to continue through the straight for political reasons. I'm wondering why we don't escort ships through. I suspect it's currently too risky for our very expensive naval ships. Even if Japan was to mobilize their navy (which is probably modest) how long would it take to get there?

Iran is like if we are going down, we are going to make everyone feel the pain. Is droning the Gulf countries igoing to backfire? We will see.

This is going to really strain relations within NATO and the Ukraine war. Next time Ukraine comes with its hand out, I suspect Trump is going to send them to Europe and rightfully so.


Ships paying in yuan are flowing through. I assume soon, Asia will get oil. USA and Isreal will not. (From the Strait). Don't know about Europe. Someone will pay yuan.

People smarter than me can tell the economic impact of this move.
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BearFan33 said:

Kent did this correctly. If your boss is going in directions you can't support and won't listen to your advice, you resign. You don't resist and undermine like the embedded democrats do.

He's setting himself up for some good talk show money if he choses to go that route.

The conflict drags on. Trump desperately needs oil flow to continue through the straight for political reasons. I'm wondering why we don't escort ships through. I suspect it's currently too risky for our very expensive naval ships. Even if Japan was to mobilize their navy (which is probably modest) how long would it take to get there?

Iran is like if we are going down, we are going to make everyone feel the pain. Is droning the Gulf countries igoing to backfire? We will see.

This is going to really strain relations within NATO and the Ukraine war. Next time Ukraine comes with its hand out, I suspect Trump is going to send them to Europe and rightfully so.


The US economy has its own oil reserves.

Japan, India , China and most of Europe are the ones that need access through the Straits the most.

Past time to bomb Iranian oil facilities.

It's the obvious target.

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KaiBear said:

BearFan33 said:

Kent did this correctly. If your boss is going in directions you can't support and won't listen to your advice, you resign. You don't resist and undermine like the embedded democrats do.

He's setting himself up for some good talk show money if he choses to go that route.

The conflict drags on. Trump desperately needs oil flow to continue through the straight for political reasons. I'm wondering why we don't escort ships through. I suspect it's currently too risky for our very expensive naval ships. Even if Japan was to mobilize their navy (which is probably modest) how long would it take to get there?

Iran is like if we are going down, we are going to make everyone feel the pain. Is droning the Gulf countries igoing to backfire? We will see.

This is going to really strain relations within NATO and the Ukraine war. Next time Ukraine comes with its hand out, I suspect Trump is going to send them to Europe and rightfully so.


The US economy has its own oil reserves.

Japan, India , China and most of Europe are the ones that need access through the Straits the most.

Past time to bomb Iranian oil facilities.

It's the obvious target.



That and ramp up USA production
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BearFan33 said:

KaiBear said:

BearFan33 said:

Kent did this correctly. If your boss is going in directions you can't support and won't listen to your advice, you resign. You don't resist and undermine like the embedded democrats do.

He's setting himself up for some good talk show money if he choses to go that route.

The conflict drags on. Trump desperately needs oil flow to continue through the straight for political reasons. I'm wondering why we don't escort ships through. I suspect it's currently too risky for our very expensive naval ships. Even if Japan was to mobilize their navy (which is probably modest) how long would it take to get there?

Iran is like if we are going down, we are going to make everyone feel the pain. Is droning the Gulf countries igoing to backfire? We will see.

This is going to really strain relations within NATO and the Ukraine war. Next time Ukraine comes with its hand out, I suspect Trump is going to send them to Europe and rightfully so.


The US economy has its own oil reserves.

Japan, India , China and most of Europe are the ones that need access through the Straits the most.

Past time to bomb Iranian oil facilities.

It's the obvious target.



That and ramp up USA production


Exactly

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boognish_bear said:



I don't really hate this play. It will suck politically but we can live with $100 a barrel oil. If Iran continues to block the SoH let those countries affected do something about it. They weren't willing to help so now its on them.
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boognish_bear said:



Talk show route. Will we see a book?
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boognish_bear said:



Telling the truth is now antisemitism.
 
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