S hit always comes out the ass.

YoakDaddy said:

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This part isn't true. With Starr being demoted, somebody in the chain of command had to let CAB go. Ian was left in that chain. He was told to do that then find a replacement coach (Grobe) then to resign. Not doubting the BOFR accusations because of what I have known, but that whole Enron excuse is stupid.

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Starr will continue to serve as the university's chancellor and as a law professor. ... The interim president is David Garland, dean of the George W. Truett Theological Seminary at Baylor, the university said in a release.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/05/26/baylor-releases-report-handling-sexual-assault-cas/

BU had a successor for Starr (Garland) - Garland was in "the chain of command had to let CAB go".

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From the WTH:

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McCaw: Baylor regents displayed racism, preferred misleading report on rape scandal

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Liberty University Athletic Director Ian McCaw in a deposition said Baylor University undertook "an elaborate plan that essentially scapegoated black football players and the football program for being responsible for what was a decades-long, university-wide sexual assault scandal," according to a motion filed in Waco's U.S. District Court on Wednesday.
McCaw said he was "disgusted" by Baylor regents' racism and by a "phony" 13-page document held up by the board as a summary of a nine-month investigation into how Baylor responded to reports of sexual assault. ...

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Dr. Christopher Howard (a distinguished graduate of the United States Air Force Academy earned a doctorate in politics as a Rhodes Scholar from the University of Oxford. He also has an MBA with distinction from Harvard Business School) was on the BU bor when the brouhaha took place - he resigned in September 2016. None of his current write-ups mention his time as a bor member at BU.

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He got another job and he could not serve the regent board. It's not like he resigned out of protest. ...

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How do you know his motive for resigning? Source?

He was a college president when he was on the board. He moved to another college as its president and in January 2017, it was announced that Howard was selected to be a member of the College Football Playoff Selection Committee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_B._Howard

For those in the DFW area 103.3 ESPN radio just teased their next segment would be about the latest with the Baylor scandal. The gift that keeps on giving.

I am sure Tim Cowlishaw will provide a very evenhanded assessment.

great

Cowlishaw saying there could be a lot of truth in what Ian is saying.

Saying maybe the BOR was trying to keep it from looking like there were bigger issues at the school. They seemed to be softening their stance on Briles.

I figured they would blow it all off....but they aren't.

I'm having to turn it off mid segment....that's all I got.

In most situations like this, the truth eventually finds its way to the light of day.

Buddy and Dary ran Baylor like their own private business. Remember the email from Buddy about the drinking sorority girls? Think for a moment about what kind of person would send that email?

This was the guy in charge....forget the university president....forget anybody....he ran the place.

So, if any of you folks think it would be not be in his nature to hide facts that didn't fit his narrative, you're far worse than sticking your head in the sand.

If this is true (and remember, this was testimony taken under oath, under threat of perjury) Baylor may be in immense trouble. Conferences don't like a member school being ascribed as racist at the top.

This deal is still unraveling, but ultimately this testimony, if true, could result in serious scrutiny by the Big 12 as to whether it wants to retain Baylor as a member.

If those allegations are true, anyone with an ounce of integrity would have resigned long before being fired.

Xiled: You said all along that McCaw was a POS. I didn't believe you. You were right.

One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

boognish_bear said:

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Cowlishaw saying there could be a lot of truth in what Ian is saying.

Saying maybe the BOR was trying to keep it from looking like there were bigger issues at the school.

I figured they would blow it all off....but they aren't.

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Now the sports media will understand about what many of us have said about university wide issues.

Osodecentx said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....

We all know this is a final money grab by the plaintiffs lawyers. They see the school, the program and the fan base have moved on (except for the 3 of you here on this board and your 10 fake accounts each where you circle <bleep> each other's comments).

Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

TV55 said:

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Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

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Will they rebut these revelations under oath?

57Bear said:

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TV55 said:

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Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

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Will they rebut these revelations under oath?

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Of course. Lawyers never lie, do they?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Of course he does. I think I just responded to him directly here.

TV55 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....

We all know this is a final money grab by the plaintiffs lawyers. They see the school, the program and the fan base have moved on (except for the 3 of you here on this board and your 10 fake accounts each where you circle <bleep> each other's comments).

Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

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Spoken like a good little BOR clown. You are a fool if you believe "the program and the fan base have moved on". You can wish that were the case all you want, but the only ones pushing the whole "moving on" agenda are those ultimately responsible for this sh*t show to begin with!

Not sure I agree with the racist part. That's why I didn't mention it. BU had a longstanding effort to present a wholesome image to the world. That is where they ran into troubles. To continue to present this image you have to do a lot of rug sweeping.

It is not unique to BU, all campuses, all Universities, at some level share in the blame.

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If those allegations are true, anyone with an ounce of integrity would have resigned long before being fired.

Xiled: You said all along that McCaw was a POS. I didn't believe you. You were right.

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Stranger pretty much has the best take on the "ribbon clerk" former athletic director. I am sure Stranger can chime in because he doesn't care for Ian or the Buddy crew.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Ian's main daily activity as the so called AD was to read baylorfans.com.

Ian was hired by the BOR to be nothing but a puppet AD. A ribbon clerk. Nothing more. He knew every bit of dirty sh*t (hey, that rhymed) that went on in his department for all of his years.

As someone pointed out, they fired Starr and needed Ian to hire Grobe since Starr was out of the loop. Then they named Garland who fired Ian immediately. Ian was out of his office within an hour of hiring Grobe.

Plain and simple, Ian was fired because his hands were as dirty as anybody's.

Ian is covering his own ass here folks. He was never invested in Baylor anyway. A hired gun, a carpetbagger and a ribbon clerk.

I'm not letting the BOR off the hook, by the way. Like my friend Grunt Tuff alluded, the chickens will still come home to roost.

I believe that Ian has tried to do the right thing all along by being quiet and is only talking now because he is being drug into this mess. Patty Crawford said before that it wasn't a football problem but rather a university wide problem. Coach Barnes has stated before that he reported to JA the incident and felt that Art Briles did the right things.

Ian is finally just telling the truth about what has happened but many still want to blame he and Briles when, in fact, they were scapegoated. I wish nothing but good things for Ian and Art as I never believed that they were guilty of any wrong doing. Patty Crawford has tried to say this before but the narrative to blame the football program at all costs was the direction the BOR wanted this to go.

Judge Starr has maintained this whole time that Ian and Art were both men of great integrity. I believe that and I believe the BOR split vote on whether to fire or not fire Coach Briles was very telling.

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TV55 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....

We all know this is a final money grab by the plaintiffs lawyers. They see the school, the program and the fan base have moved on (except for the 3 of you here on this board and your 10 fake accounts each where you circle <bleep> each other's comments).

Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

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Spoken like a good little BOR clown. You are a fool if you believe "the program and the fan base have moved on". You can wish that were the case all you want, but the only ones pushing the whole "moving on" agenda are those ultimately responsible for this sh*t show to begin with!

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Not really. It's been, what, over 2 years? You really should move on or seek professional help doing so. Living in the past is no way to lead a productive future.

I wish you the best. I really do.

I hope that attitudes toward Art will soften enough, due to Ian's testimony, to allow him, like everyone else who was there, to get another job.

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In most situations like this, the truth eventually finds its way to the light of day.

Buddy and Dary ran Baylor like their own private business. Remember the email from Buddy about the drinking sorority girls? Think for a moment about what kind of person would send that email?

This was the guy in charge....forget the university president....forget anybody....he ran the place.

So, if any of you folks think it would be not be in his nature to hide facts that didn't fit his narrative, you're far worse than sticking your head in the sand.

If this is true (and remember, this was testimony taken under oath, under threat of perjury) Baylor may be in immense trouble. Conferences don't like a member school being ascribed as racist at the top.

This deal is still unraveling, but ultimately this testimony, if true, could result in serious scrutiny by the Big 12 as to whether it wants to retain Baylor as a member.

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I don't know any of the people you mention (Buddy and Deary) but your insinuation that a couple of dudes singlehandedly ran Baylor is laugh out loud funny. Same for the reference to being in trouble with the Big 12 (our current AD was just named to an NCAA committee...which completely bunker busts your wild ass theories).

What else you got?

Alien involvement?
Russian government?
Kim Kardashian publicity stunt?

C'mon people ... these "revelations" come out 2+ years after The Big Disaster? Someone either wants money or is angling for a job. Seriously, these lawyers think Baylor Nation is stupid. Maybe we once were. Not anymore.

I've known all of this and more for quite some time.....

McCaw isn't lying...not one bit - you may label him incompetent if you like - but he's telling the truth and doing so under oath.

Meanwhile another man's life is wrecked as he sits at home with a robust bank account so many of you like to mention that he'd trade in a minute to erase this event from his life.

I'm angry all over again now.

Amarillobear said:

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I believe that Ian has tried to do the right thing all along by being quiet and is only talking now because he is being drug into this mess. Patty Crawford said before that it wasn't a football problem but rather a university wide problem. Coach Barnes has stated before that he reported to JA the incident and felt that Art Briles did the right things.

Ian is finally just telling the truth about what has happened but many still want to blame he and Briles when, in fact, they were scapegoated. I wish nothing but good things for Ian and Art as I never believed that they were guilty of any wrong doing. Patty Crawford has tried to say this before but the narrative to blame the football program at all costs was the direction the BOR wanted this to go.

Judge Starr has maintained this whole time that Ian and Art were both men of great integrity. I believe that and I believe the BOR split vote on whether to fire or not fire Coach Briles was very telling.

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I agree with this.

Golden Helmet said:

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I've known all of this and more for quite some time.....

McCaw isn't lying...not one bit - you may label him incompetent if you like - but he's telling the truth and doing so under oath.

Meanwhile another man's life is wrecked as he sits at home with a robust bank account so many of you like to mention that he'd trade in a minute to erase this event from his life.

I'm angry all over again now.

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Ditto

Does this post offend you Brian?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Ian is my homeboy.

This is such a colossal sh!storm. While I partially believe Ian, I can't help but to wonder at calling all of the regents racist. I can believe that the regents wanted bad stuff swept under the rug, but Ian by default must have been a part of that. He was the athletic director, not the fitness coach.

I would guess that his assessment of the regents is mostly accurate, but that calling them racist is an attempt to distance himself. I don't think it will work, now that this is public. There's no way that damning emails don't come out about Ian now.

In the end, the whole thing is so sad, and even more, so bad, and only going to get a lot worse. I hope Ian loses his job, I just cannot believe he is so full of integrity, if he knew of all of this, for so long, and only resigned once it started coming out. I really think Starr and briles might end up being the only upstanding ones in this mess, when all the facts are out. Probably 10 years from now. No wonder the board has remained silent.

TV55 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....




The easy narrative was that "Football and Briles" was the main problem when the entire campus and the way it was run from the very top was the main problem.

I do agree labeling them as racist is as bad as blaming football for a campus wide issue.

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The Baylor BOR has been a giant dumpster fire for 30 years.

57Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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57Bear said:

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whitetrash said:

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From the WTH:

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McCaw: Baylor regents displayed racism, preferred misleading report on rape scandal

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Liberty University Athletic Director Ian McCaw in a deposition said Baylor University undertook "an elaborate plan that essentially scapegoated black football players and the football program for being responsible for what was a decades-long, university-wide sexual assault scandal," according to a motion filed in Waco's U.S. District Court on Wednesday.
McCaw said he was "disgusted" by Baylor regents' racism and by a "phony" 13-page document held up by the board as a summary of a nine-month investigation into how Baylor responded to reports of sexual assault. ...

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Dr. Christopher Howard (a distinguished graduate of the United States Air Force Academy earned a doctorate in politics as a Rhodes Scholar from the University of Oxford. He also has an MBA with distinction from Harvard Business School) was on the BU bor when the brouhaha took place - he resigned in September 2016. None of his current write-ups mention his time as a bor member at BU.

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He got another job and he could not serve the regent board. It's not like he resigned out of protest. ...

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How do you know his motive for resigning? Source?

He was a college president when he was on the board. He moved to another college as its president and in January 2017, it was announced that Howard was selected to be a member of the College Football Playoff Selection Committee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_B._Howard

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His time on the Baylor board is listed in this .pdf of his bio, which I got off the RMU.edu site. From the main page with his info, you have to click on the link that says "read President Howard's full bio."

http://www.rmu.edu/about-rmu/OfficeOfThePresident/AboutDrHoward

http://rmu.edu/about-rmu/OfficeOfThePresident/cmp-media/docs/President/christopherhoward_bio.pdf

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This is such a colossal sh!storm. While I partially believe Ian, I can't help but to wonder at calling all of the regents racist. I can believe that the regents wanted bad stuff swept under the rug, but Ian by default must have been a part of that. He was the athletic director, not the fitness coach.

I would guess that his assessment of the regents is mostly accurate, but that calling them racist is an attempt to distance himself. I don't think it will work, now that this is public. There's no way that damning emails don't come out about Ian now.

In the end, the whole thing is so sad, and even more, so bad, and only going to get a lot worse. I hope Ian loses his job, I just cannot believe he is so full of integrity, if he knew of all of this, for so long, and only resigned once it started coming out. I really think Starr and briles might end up being the only upstanding ones in this mess, when all the facts are out. Probably 10 years from now. No wonder the board has remained silent.

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Yea, jackass move trying to label them all as racist. There was plenty of ammo without that.

Forest Bueller said:

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TV55 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....




The easy narrative was that "Football and Briles" was the main problem when the entire campus and the way it was run from the very top was the main problem.

I do agree labeling them as racist is as bad as blaming football for a campus wide issue.

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Agree with both your points. The BOR was packed with idiots too (likely still is ... which I hope gets cleaned up). It was a group implosion.

SIC EM 94 said:

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TV55 said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....

We all know this is a final money grab by the plaintiffs lawyers. They see the school, the program and the fan base have moved on (except for the 3 of you here on this board and your 10 fake accounts each where you circle <bleep> each other's comments).

Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

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Spoken like a good little BOR clown. You are a fool if you believe "the program and the fan base have moved on". You can wish that were the case all you want, but the only ones pushing the whole "moving on" agenda are those ultimately responsible for this sh*t show to begin with!

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Actually, SIC EM 94, TV55 is correct. Many Baylor Alumni have moved on. Along with their money and support.

"Stand with anybody that stands right; stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong."--- Abraham Lincoln

Forest Bueller said:

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Porteroso said:

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This is such a colossal sh!storm. While I partially believe Ian, I can't help but to wonder at calling all of the regents racist. I can believe that the regents wanted bad stuff swept under the rug, but Ian by default must have been a part of that. He was the athletic director, not the fitness coach.

I would guess that his assessment of the regents is mostly accurate, but that calling them racist is an attempt to distance himself. I don't think it will work, now that this is public. There's no way that damning emails don't come out about Ian now.

In the end, the whole thing is so sad, and even more, so bad, and only going to get a lot worse. I hope Ian loses his job, I just cannot believe he is so full of integrity, if he knew of all of this, for so long, and only resigned once it started coming out. I really think Starr and briles might end up being the only upstanding ones in this mess, when all the facts are out. Probably 10 years from now. No wonder the board has remained silent.

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Yea, jackass move trying to label them all as racist. There was plenty of ammo without that.

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The unfortunate irony of McCaw's accusations here are that they also likely sink any remaining chances of Briles coaching again. No one touches a coach where the R word has been referenced. Nobody.

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SIC EM 94 said:

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TV55 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Lying racist regents

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Such an easy narrative, isn't it? Goes down like Kool Aid....

We all know this is a final money grab by the plaintiffs lawyers. They see the school, the program and the fan base have moved on (except for the 3 of you here on this board and your 10 fake accounts each where you circle <bleep> each other's comments).

Let's read BU counsels rebuttal to these revelations and THEN decide, right?

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Spoken like a good little BOR clown. You are a fool if you believe "the program and the fan base have moved on". You can wish that were the case all you want, but the only ones pushing the whole "moving on" agenda are those ultimately responsible for this sh*t show to begin with!

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Actually, SIC EM 94, TV55 is correct. Many Baylor Alumni have moved on. Along with their money and support.

"Stand with anybody that stands right; stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong."--- Abraham Lincoln

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Doug is partially right (hi, Doug). We've moved on. Sure, some have stopped giving but it looks like a huge % of people re-upped on their season tickets (that's real money). I will give Doug this - the real "follow the alumni money" test happens next year when the reseating occurs. We will know how loyal this fan base is when they are asked to reach deeper in their pocket to keep their seat locations next year.