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Well, the rug they had been sweeping this stuff under just had gotten pulled out from under them.

Of course the had to find a bus and someone to throw under it.

Maybe letting regents call the coaching staff and demand they put their kid on the roster was a bad idea.

(Looks over at Dary Stone)

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It's about time the DMN start rattling cages at Prestwood.

"There's a lot to unpack here" = She only read the headline

boognish_bear said:

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"There's a lot to unpack here" = She only read the headline

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She's right about Baylor still being Baylor.

Thank you Prestwood.

Two years later, I'm still trying figure out whether this was a rape scandal or a consensual sex with regret scandal.

As Sgt Schulz said: "I know nothingk" but I'd be real interested in digging around to find out if horn and sooner leveraged Bowelsby to threaten BU with expulsion from the Big 12 if the Regents didn't fire Briles. While I haven't read anything to that effect, there is a smell that persists beyond conspiracy theory imo. I also suspect that the Stoops "retirement" is partly fallout from our story even if it is a "parallel universe". Ian may have given some indication that the B12 is holding funds for significant reason(s).

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Two years later, I'm still trying figure out whether this was a rape scandal or a consensual sex with regret scandal.

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It doesn't have to be all one or the other. If we had a legit system (ideally something other than Title IX, but even a sincere approach to that) in place we could have sorted it out case by case.

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Ian's main daily activity as the so called AD was to read baylorfans.com.

Ian was hired by the BOR to be nothing but a puppet AD. A ribbon clerk. Nothing more. He knew every bit of dirty sh*t (hey, that rhymed) that went on in his department for all of his years.

As someone pointed out, they fired Starr and needed Ian to hire Grobe since Starr was out of the loop. Then they named Garland who fired Ian immediately. Ian was out of his office within an hour of hiring Grobe.

Plain and simple, Ian was fired because his hands were as dirty as anybody's.

Ian is covering his own ass here folks. He was never invested in Baylor anyway. A hired gun, a carpetbagger and a ribbon clerk.

I'm not letting the BOR off the hook, by the way. Like my friend Grunt Tuff alluded, the chickens will still come home to roost.

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Truth is truth even when it comes from a disreputable source.

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Interesting as all of this, I also predict that none of this will see a courtroom. Baylor will settle this so the truth will never, ever, be revealed to the public.

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It just was

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All this crap happened because BU had no delicate way of explaining to its income base the following:

Sometimes, BU coeds drink alcoholic beverages and engage in consensual sex.

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Bingo

Any chance we wrap all this up BEFORE the football season kicks off?

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Stranger said:

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Ian's main daily activity as the so called AD was to read baylorfans.com.

Ian was hired by the BOR to be nothing but a puppet AD. A ribbon clerk. Nothing more. He knew every bit of dirty sh*t (hey, that rhymed) that went on in his department for all of his years.

As someone pointed out, they fired Starr and needed Ian to hire Grobe since Starr was out of the loop. Then they named Garland who fired Ian immediately. Ian was out of his office within an hour of hiring Grobe.

Plain and simple, Ian was fired because his hands were as dirty as anybody's.

Ian is covering his own ass here folks. He was never invested in Baylor anyway. A hired gun, a carpetbagger and a ribbon clerk.

I'm not letting the BOR off the hook, by the way. Like my friend Grunt Tuff alluded, the chickens will still come home to roost.

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Truth is truth even when it comes from a disreputable source.

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Interesting as all of this, I also predict that none of this will see a courtroom. Baylor will settle this so the truth will never, ever, be revealed to the public.

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It just was

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Another shoe has dropped, for sure. But will we ever get all the details from this board? And will the BOR at Baylor really change the way they do business? I have my doubts.

Ian has given his version of the truth. It's probably mostly factual. However, his version makes himself look squeaky clean and free from guilt of any kind. I don't buy that, altogether. Remember, for years he was the chief athletic department tool of the BOR. He took direct orders from a couple of regents. For him to now say he knew nothing and his hands were clean strikes me as a bit ironic.

I think Ian is trying to do the right thing but I believe the BOR will spend whatever they have to in order to protect their own selves.

In the end the alumni and the public will never know all the facts and the board of regents will wander on down the road on, what they consider to be, their God inspired holy mission.

Justice will not be served.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Ian's main daily activity as the so called AD was to read baylorfans.com.

Ian was hired by the BOR to be nothing but a puppet AD. A ribbon clerk. Nothing more. He knew every bit of dirty sh*t (hey, that rhymed) that went on in his department for all of his years.

As someone pointed out, they fired Starr and needed Ian to hire Grobe since Starr was out of the loop. Then they named Garland who fired Ian immediately. Ian was out of his office within an hour of hiring Grobe.

Plain and simple, Ian was fired because his hands were as dirty as anybody's.

Ian is covering his own ass here folks. He was never invested in Baylor anyway. A hired gun, a carpetbagger and a ribbon clerk.

I'm not letting the BOR off the hook, by the way. Like my friend Grunt Tuff alluded, the chickens will still come home to roost.

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Truth is truth even when it comes from a disreputable source.

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Interesting as all of this, I also predict that none of this will see a courtroom. Baylor will settle this so the truth will never, ever, be revealed to the public.

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It just was

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From the KWTX article:

"If Baylor really believed that anything in the motion were misleading or out of context, then Baylor could easily allow full excerpts of Mr. McCaw's deposition to be released after removal of any private student information," Dunnam said in a statement Wednesday afternoon.

"A fair release of McCaw's deposition will show that our filing is both true and in context, that McCaw was entirely credible under oath, and would provide even further testimony of McCaw that Baylor does not want known."

Stranger said:

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Stranger said:

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One thing I can tell you for sure. Ian reads this site and spins his story accordingly.

Ian is you're reading this, you failed. Learn to exit with dignity and get the heck out.

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Ian's main daily activity as the so called AD was to read baylorfans.com.

Ian was hired by the BOR to be nothing but a puppet AD. A ribbon clerk. Nothing more. He knew every bit of dirty sh*t (hey, that rhymed) that went on in his department for all of his years.

As someone pointed out, they fired Starr and needed Ian to hire Grobe since Starr was out of the loop. Then they named Garland who fired Ian immediately. Ian was out of his office within an hour of hiring Grobe.

Plain and simple, Ian was fired because his hands were as dirty as anybody's.

Ian is covering his own ass here folks. He was never invested in Baylor anyway. A hired gun, a carpetbagger and a ribbon clerk.

I'm not letting the BOR off the hook, by the way. Like my friend Grunt Tuff alluded, the chickens will still come home to roost.

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Truth is truth even when it comes from a disreputable source.

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Interesting as all of this, I also predict that none of this will see a courtroom. Baylor will settle this so the truth will never, ever, be revealed to the public.

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It just was

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Another shoe has dropped, for sure. But will we ever get all the details from this board? And will the BOR at Baylor really change the way they do business? I have my doubts.

Ian has given his version of the truth. It's probably mostly factual. However, his version makes himself look squeaky clean and free from guilt of any kind. I don't buy that, altogether. Remember, for years he was the chief athletic department tool of the BOR. He took direct orders from a couple of regents. For him to now say he knew nothing and his hands were clean strikes me as a bit ironic.

I think Ian is trying to do the right thing but I believe the BOR will spend whatever they have to in order to protect their own selves.

In the end the alumni and the public will never know all the facts and the board of regents will wander on down the road on, what they consider to be, their God inspired holy mission.

Justice will not be served.

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What regents have given statements under oath?

He didn't say "he knew nothing". He said it was a university wide problem for decades

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So first DMN says Briles is evil, and now they are saying Baylor needs to redo the investigation?

Will we ever get an apology from the DMN?

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So first DMN says Briles is evil, and now they are saying Baylor needs to redo the investigation?

Will we ever get an apology from the DMN?

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I would just settle for an apology from Baylor.

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Ian is going to be stuck at Liberty for life

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If so, we'll always be 0-1 against him.

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He is at Liberty and life is not a football game. Do you believe he won?

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Do you believe we did?

There were no winners here. It was a colossal dumpster fire.

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No winners here associated with our mess. Ian is one of the bigger losers.
He is desperate. Which specific regents were racist?
I expect Ian to get blown out of the water some time soon. No one has been successful jumping back into this situation. Ian appears to be going in head first.

A university wide problem, which Ian didn't bother to do anything about when he could have stopped it.
Character matters?

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A university wide problem, which Ian didn't bother to do anything about when he could have stopped it.
Character matters?

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He couldn't have stopped it if those tasked with the fiduciary obligation to guide the university and its policy didn't want it stopped, but rather swept under the rug, because such things simply "couldn't happen at Baylor." This goes way beyond CAB and Ian, if his testimony is true. This goes to the very way in which we govern ourselves. The moves made by Reynolds were critically necessary, and done with the best of intentions. However, the system now shows itself to be vulnerable due to the way our "leadership" selects itself (with the exception of the alumni elected regents), and governs itself. If this testimony is true, big changes are necessary, as the problem will occur again and again. Unbridled power without accountability capable of changing that power yields these kinds of results.

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A university wide problem, which Ian didn't bother to do anything about when he could have stopped it.
Character matters?

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As someone on here is fond of saying, Ian was a ribbon clerk-he could not have stopped anything.

My best take on this whole thing is that we had a lax to non-existent adjudication and enforcement policy for sexual assault, campus wide. We thumbed our nose at the Dear Colleague letter becuase we did not believe that the federal government had any right to tell us how to run the school.

Briles, with Ian's help, took advantage of our lax policy becuase: (1) he was paid to win football games not to function as a campus cop, prosecutor and judge; (2) he sincerely believed in giving kids second chances and (3) there was never a situation in which he knew for sure that his kid had sexually assaulted someone.

When the kitchen heated up, the BOR felt that it had to blame someone; they were God's messengers so surely the blame could not be on them. As much as they loved their shiny new toy, it must be Briles' fault. This decision was made easier when they told themselves that the toy would be shiny again soon becuase of the neat playroom they had built.

At the height of this scandal, BaylorFans was littered with posts questioning why the University wasn't taking a more proactive role in defending our reputation, clarifying facts, biased headlines, and false reports, and just generally sitting on their hands while everything went down. In no way do I believe Ian is squeaky clean in all this, but his claims do shed some light on why the University was so quiet throughout the process. If shifting the blame to Briles and the football program in order to spare the reputation of the University as a whole (and the regents by extension) was the plan, they played it perfectly.

Several have mentioned the regents divine appointment to their roles in a tongue in cheek manner. But many of those regents truly believe that and I can see how they could convince themselves that the protection of the Christian mission and academic endeavors of the University should take precedent over protecting a football program. Even if it is at the expense of the reputation and careers of POTENTIALLY innocent men. However, in their attempt to do good, evil was a byproduct. Something about the path to hell being paved with good intentions comes to mind.

Ok crap, Ms. Money Bags is reporting back for duty.

Since she has absolutely no clue what has gone down, could she not just give it a rest.

I know she is an opportunist and it's all about the money for her, but good grief. She is getting kinda pathetic.

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Ok crap, Ms. Money Bags is reporting back for duty.

Since she has absolutely no clue what has gone down, could she not just give it a rest.

I know she is an opportunist and it's all about the money for her, but good grief. She is getting kinda pathetic.

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Those bags are filled with silicone, not money. And Larry Nassar would take one look at it and say "no way would I dip my wick in that nasty vat of hot wax".

A few comments

The circle jerk is not on premium. It is here. Talk about an echo chamber. Premium is more 50/50.

I had Taylor Young's back. Went to every game at McLane and cheered hard for them.

I think most of Baylor Nation had Art Briles and Ian McCaws backs until their negligence became apparent.

They may be fine men but they were asleep at the wheel with our regents but they were being paid millions to not be asleep at the wheel.

And ignore the attention seeking low life Brenda Tracy. She's the worst form of human that this social media society has created.

In Art's case, he was being paid millions to win football games. Its the school's job to control admissions and behavior.

If Art did anything to subvert that process, its on him also. Don't know if he did or not.

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Cary Gray needs to be held accountable!

Speaking of ...where is Milli?

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LOL that you're so obsessed with pretending the fired regime is innocent that you'll take the word of a disgraced AD at face value two years later and demand that the internet poster that hits you with reality account for your fantasy.

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Ok crap, Ms. Money Bags is reporting back for duty.

Since she has absolutely no clue what has gone down, could she not just give it a rest.

I know she is an opportunist and it's all about the money for her, but good grief. She is getting kinda pathetic.

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The irony is that she is pushing a narrative counter to the interests of the very "victims" for whom she claims to advocate. It is becoming increasingly more clear that she is not an advocate for victims of sexual assault, but rather only for victims of sexual assault by football players... so long as it benefits her personally.

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Any chance we wrap all this up BEFORE the football season kicks off?

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I just hope they wrap it up with Baylor still having a football team...even though it wasn't a football issue.

Once the media stews on this a while, they'll be thinking, "gosh, after seeing the bigger picture...I guess we need to go after Drew and Mulkey, too."

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The circle jerk is not on premium. It is here. Talk about an echo chamber. Premium is more 50/50.

I had Taylor Young's back. Went to every game at McLane and cheered hard for them.

I think most of Baylor Nation had Art Briles and Ian McCaws backs until their negligence became apparent.

They may be fine men but they were asleep at the wheel with our regents but they were being paid millions to not be asleep at the wheel.

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Art and players were scapegoated

As the lawyer said, Baylor needed two things; a bus and someone to throw under it

The media wasn't really going after Briles until the Regents did. This whole cluster including the Pr debacle is the BOR's doing.

I also don't understand the criticism of Ian and people saying they support his firing now based on what he said. Because he told some unflattering truth about what was going down in spring of 16? A lot of folks already knew this. This is the first time it has been publicly stated however.