syme said:
My favorite thing about insulting 60% of the population with white privilege is when it helps the republicans win all 3 branches.
I am sorry but I don't understand what some of your positions are but below are some of my simple thoughts on areas I think I can form an opinion on.Waco1947 said:
Bruce Leroy said:
"Sorry, just so I am clear. Please confirm.
Your response was "There ain't nonslippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results. White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action". Waco1947 agreed / I did change 'so' to 'no slippery dlope'. -
I understood the rest of the response as a poorly cited copy and paste of multiple paragraphs from someone else's position on affirmative action. Yes, it was Atlantic _
Washington Post Article:
Actually, we still need affirmative action for African Americans in college admissions. Here's why."
So again are you saying you agree? Please confirm
syme said:
My favorite thing about insulting 60% of the population with white privilege is when it helps the republicans win all 3 branches.
fadskier said:
Doesn't exist...just an excuse for failure
1. Because acknowledging a lie doesn't make it trueWaco1947 said:
Dear White Guys,
1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?
2). How does it hurt you culturally, historically, or economically to acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of slavery?
3) How does it effect you in any way to acknowledge police brutality of blacks and needless gunning down of blacks?
4). How does it affect you to acknowledge that racism still exists systemically and that racism is more than the n-word?
5) Finally, If Dems are the party of slavery and continued dependency what are your policies for offering a hand up to blacks?
Thank you.
Waco1947 said:Were they "interned" in WW II?Canada2017 said:
Wife and I had dinner tonight with a charming Japanese couple who are happily retired in their mid 50's while owning several apartment buildings in Vancouver.
Must have been due to Asian privilege.
Argument by anecdote often demonstrates nothing more than that you live in a bubble.Canada2017 said:Waco1947 said:Were they "interned" in WW II?Canada2017 said:
Wife and I had dinner tonight with a charming Japanese couple who are happily retired in their mid 50's while owning several apartment buildings in Vancouver.
Must have been due to Asian privilege.
Good grief 47....do the math. If they are in their mid 50's how could they have been interned during WW2 ? Need a prescription change fella.
Regardless....as promised I asked our dinner companions how they had done so well and if they had been 'held back' because they were Asians .
1. NO....not 'held back' at all.....their major challenge was LEARNING ENGLISH. Took them 2 years to learn the language at a professional level. Wife also became a CPA.
2. Still MARRIED after 38 years ( and obviously happy in their relationship). Built their fiances TOGETHER. No time or money wasted with drugs, booze or 'baby mommas'.
3. Only 2 children......both in their mid 20's . Paid for both sons to learn a TRADE. Both are certified heavy machinery longshoremen. ( and before some of you degree holding yuppies get the wrong idea....these guys are pulling down almost 130k per year ).
4. Invested in real estate.....not 'toys'. NOW with their investments paid off....they travel the world. Leaving for Asia in October.
Now back to your 'white privilege' excuses .
bubbadog said:Argument by anecdote often demonstrates nothing more than that you live in a bubble.Canada2017 said:Waco1947 said:Were they "interned" in WW II?Canada2017 said:
Wife and I had dinner tonight with a charming Japanese couple who are happily retired in their mid 50's while owning several apartment buildings in Vancouver.
Must have been due to Asian privilege.
Good grief 47....do the math. If they are in their mid 50's how could they have been interned during WW2 ? Need a prescription change fella.
Regardless....as promised I asked our dinner companions how they had done so well and if they had been 'held back' because they were Asians .
1. NO....not 'held back' at all.....their major challenge was LEARNING ENGLISH. Took them 2 years to learn the language at a professional level. Wife also became a CPA.
2. Still MARRIED after 38 years ( and obviously happy in their relationship). Built their fiances TOGETHER. No time or money wasted with drugs, booze or 'baby mommas'.
3. Only 2 children......both in their mid 20's . Paid for both sons to learn a TRADE. Both are certified heavy machinery longshoremen. ( and before some of you degree holding yuppies get the wrong idea....these guys are pulling down almost 130k per year ).
4. Invested in real estate.....not 'toys'. NOW with their investments paid off....they travel the world. Leaving for Asia in October.
Now back to your 'white privilege' excuses .
This quote I find interesting as I am unable to determine its objective. If you have the time I would appreciate some clarification to my questions below.
Since it is a response to someone else's post I assume in this context that it was used to weaken his position (ie "you live in a bubble" so therefore your argument is void). But in thinking of the quote in respect to you (the poster) I am drawn to the fact that you directly used a anecdote response to YoakDaddy at 10:30. 7/31/18 in this very thread.
Below is a general recap.
YoakDaddy said
""Being white (or brown or black or pink or purple) has zero bearing. I had equal opportunity as the kids of color in my hometown. I chose to go to study hard, chose to go to college, chose to get a job, chose to go to church, etc. We had the same opportunities and same choices; therefore, white privilege is a bullshlt excuse and lays blame of failure on others"
Your exact response (not in totality) was this..
"That's what I always thought, too. I never felt privileged. We were lower middle class. We worked hard for everything.
But did you know that the GI Bill originally did not apply to African-Americans? I didn't until a couple of years ago. And in a way, that gave me an advantage when I got my first job out of Baylor, even though the GI Bill didn't directly apply to me.
Out of BU, I looked for jobs with newspapers. But I was at a disadvantage and didn't know any better. Journalism had been one of my majors, but I didn't bother working for the Lariat during the year more than was required. (Didn't care for Sharon Grigsby, who was one of the editors.) And I couldn't afford to take an unpaid summer internship because whatever I earned working in the summer had to be my spending money during the school year. So I came out of school without much of anything on my resume, nor many actual newspaper samples to show an editor.."
Was your objective for the reader to apply your use of a anecdote story to reflect that you "live in a bubble" and thus your opinions posted demonstrate nothing?
Or should the post be taken in a way of understanding that his (or possibly others) anecdotal stories should be discounted but yours remains valid?
Anecdotes are very useful for illustration of a point. Not so useful for generalization. That's the difference between my post and Canada's. I try not to generalize from anecdotes. That would be like arguing: "Here's what happened to me; therefore, all white people experience white privilege." And that would be a dumb argument. My point was different: "White privilege is real, and here's an example."Bruce Leroy said:bubbadog said:Argument by anecdote often demonstrates nothing more than that you live in a bubble.Canada2017 said:Waco1947 said:Were they "interned" in WW II?Canada2017 said:
Wife and I had dinner tonight with a charming Japanese couple who are happily retired in their mid 50's while owning several apartment buildings in Vancouver.
Must have been due to Asian privilege.
Good grief 47....do the math. If they are in their mid 50's how could they have been interned during WW2 ? Need a prescription change fella.
Regardless....as promised I asked our dinner companions how they had done so well and if they had been 'held back' because they were Asians .
1. NO....not 'held back' at all.....their major challenge was LEARNING ENGLISH. Took them 2 years to learn the language at a professional level. Wife also became a CPA.
2. Still MARRIED after 38 years ( and obviously happy in their relationship). Built their fiances TOGETHER. No time or money wasted with drugs, booze or 'baby mommas'.
3. Only 2 children......both in their mid 20's . Paid for both sons to learn a TRADE. Both are certified heavy machinery longshoremen. ( and before some of you degree holding yuppies get the wrong idea....these guys are pulling down almost 130k per year ).
4. Invested in real estate.....not 'toys'. NOW with their investments paid off....they travel the world. Leaving for Asia in October.
Now back to your 'white privilege' excuses .
This quote I find interesting as I am unable to determine it objective. If you have the time I would appreciate some clarification to my questions below.
Since it is a response to someone else's post I assume in this context that it was used to weaken his position (ie "you live in a bubble" so therefore your argument is void). But in thinking of the quote in respect to you (the poster) I am drawn to the fact that you directly used a anecdote response to YoakDaddy at 10:30. 7/31/18 in this very thread.
Below is a general recap.
YoakDaddy said
""Being white (or brown or black or pink or purple) has zero bearing. I had equal opportunity as the kids of color in my hometown. I chose to go to study hard, chose to go to college, chose to get a job, chose to go to church, etc. We had the same opportunities and same choices; therefore, white privilege is a bullshlt excuse and lays blame of failure on others"
Your exact response (not in totality) was this..
"That's what I always thought, too. I never felt privileged. We were lower middle class. We worked hard for everything.
But did you know that the GI Bill originally did not apply to African-Americans? I didn't until a couple of years ago. And in a way, that gave me an advantage when I got my first job out of Baylor, even though the GI Bill didn't directly apply to me.
Out of BU, I looked for jobs with newspapers. But I was at a disadvantage and didn't know any better. Journalism had been one of my majors, but I didn't bother working for the Lariat during the year more than was required. (Didn't care for Sharon Grigsby, who was one of the editors.) And I couldn't afford to take an unpaid summer internship because whatever I earned working in the summer had to be my spending money during the school year. So I came out of school without much of anything on my resume, nor many actual newspaper samples to show an editor.."
Was your objective for the reader to apply your use of a anecdote story to reflect that you "live in a bubble" and thus your opinions posted demonstrate nothing?
Or should the post be taken in a way of understanding that his (or possibly others) anecdotal stories should be discounted but yours remains valid?
For some of them, it's not that they start feeling race anxiety. It's that they don't stop.cinque said:
Why does this topic always seem to pop up when some of you start feeling race anxiety?
cinque said:
Why does this topic always seem to pop up when some of you start feeling race anxiety?
Can you read my posts while I'm on ignore?Florda_mike said:cinque said:
Why does this topic always seem to pop up when some of you start feeling race anxiety?
Is "race anxiety" like "racist adjacent?"
cinque said:Can you read my posts while I'm on ignore?Florda_mike said:cinque said:
Why does this topic always seem to pop up when some of you start feeling race anxiety?
Is "race anxiety" like "racist adjacent?"
Why is it an insult? Who said it was? It's a reality not an insult.syme said:
My favorite thing about insulting 60% of the population with white privilege is when it helps the republicans win all 3 branches.
Waco1947 said:Why is it an insult? Who said it was? It's a reality not an insult.syme said:
My favorite thing about insulting 60% of the population with white privilege is when it helps the republicans win all 3 branches.
Maybe for you it is, but don't generalize for all white people. Isn't that racist?Waco1947 said:Why is it an insult? Who said it was? It's a reality not an insult.syme said:
My favorite thing about insulting 60% of the population with white privilege is when it helps the republicans win all 3 branches.
cinque said:
Why does this topic always seem to pop up when some of you start feeling race anxiety?
Boom! I love it when people make cinque look bad.JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
What are you doing about your white privilege?quash said:JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
When it's a thing, like white privilege.
Doc Holliday said:What are you doing about your white privilege?quash said:JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
When it's a thing, like white privilege.
What do you think I should do about my white privilege?quash said:Doc Holliday said:What are you doing about your white privilege?quash said:JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
When it's a thing, like white privilege.
I already answered that once in the last 24 hrs. On this thread. Keep up.
quash said:JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
When it's a thing, like white privilege.
This is what you're doing?quash said:fadskier said:So if you have it, what are you doing about it? Do you just announce it so that it clears you conscience?quash said:fadskier said:No, you just speak of border policy that you read about, rather than listen to people who are living it.quash said:fadskier said:Yeah...uh huh...you right bro.quash said:fadskier said:that are white, black, and brown.quash said:fadskier said:You a countless millions of other people across this country....quash said:Sam Lowry said:
Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.
Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.
Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.
And nobody blamed me for my life choices.
Now you're getting a small piece of it.
Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.
Because you choose not to see it.
I understand. Nobody can discuss border policy with you unless they lived it as long as you did, so something you claim not to experience must not exist. That's your... privilege.
It's hard to experience white privilege when many people think I'm Hispanic. I've been profiled as have many...I just get over it. Police are doing their job, I'm thankful. Have you experienced white privilege?
I posted about it. You replied. ***?
No, not at all. It mainly comes into play silently. I just repress the urge to tell the judge "Humph, bet you got into law school through affirmative action."
Or to lecture my client about life choices.
Or stop random black folk to see if they have a criminal record, or can cite the homicide rate in Chicago or DC or Baltimore or America.
It's a real time saver.
That's not exactly what he argued. He was arguing that white privilege doesn't exist because he knows a successful Asian couple.JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
Still waiting for you to provide evidence of my white privilege.Waco1947 said:
Hey White Guys,
Stop being so afraid and defensive.
White privilege is not your fault. No of you asked to be born white. It simply happened.
Acknowledging WP does not mean your racist. It simply means "Oh white privileges exists."
If you looking for blame then look to the founding fathers because they let black slavery stand and that set in motion white privilege. You're the beneficiary of WP. I am too.
But by being aware of WP I work to overcome it and eradicate it.
It's what we do with that knowledge of WP that counts.
WP doesn't insult you or blame you. If you took advantage of your whiteness then we might need to have conversation.
But to blame you for an accident of birth seems silly.
What's the answer? I am not sure but I sm sure that we need to talk to one another about how to overcome it.
I think one of BIG mistakes in the early days of desegregation was that whites made the decisions on how to desegregate. At that time we needed a more collaborative effort.
I think we need collaboration with people of color again.
Acknowledging that race still matters in America and feeling race anxiety are not the same things.Canada2017 said:cinque said:
Why does this topic always seem to pop up when some of you start feeling race anxiety?
chuckle
Oh my goodness princess....no one has anything approaching your level of 'racial 'anxiety'. You bring up race constantly.
So many racially tinged threads and posts ...it could easily be construed you resent your own.
Stop being silly. Most of my threads sound the alarm about the dangers of the Trump presidencyCanada2017 said:
Not even close princess.
You have a total obsession with skin color. Frames almost every thread you start.
( along with Donald Trump )
Sad as there is so much more to life.
I don't think that was what he was arguing in that post.bubbadog said:That's not exactly what he argued. He was arguing that white privilege doesn't exist because he knows a successful Asian couple.JXL said:
It isn't "argument by anecdote" to say that Asians routinely outscore every other race on the SAT, despite substantial numbers of that community being immigrants. When will Cinque, Waco, etc., speak out against Asian privilege?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3902725
