White privilege?

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Waco1947
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I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.
Waco1947 ,la
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

D. C. Bear said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

47 decided to leave the thread and instead take it to private messages..... his lack of debate skills or any sort of rational argument extend to that form of communication as well.

Your definition of white privilege is "Whites are given free stuff because they are white."
If that definition is true then why are white people on welfare rolls? That's your 'argument.'

Your definition of white privilege is wrong. You have no idea because you will read or Aggie with or counter the real definition of white privilege.
You set up a straw man definition and ask for "proof." That ain't debate that's wrong headed thinking.
Now what do you hear as my definition of white privilege?
Hint: White privilege is being born with skin and walking around white all day. That's it b


When did I provide a definition of white privilege?

Please provide the exact quote from the exact post.

Look up the word privilege and then explain.

Oh and stop sending me private messages. Either discuss it here or leave it alone.

privilege
noun
1. A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
"education is a right, not a privilege"
synonyms: advantage, benefit
Now put the word white in front of it. White skin means one is treated differently to their advantage or benefit. Not given stuff.
Cowboy, listen to a few black folk about it means to walk around black in this world.


Advantage. Right. Immunity.

So privilege means you get something. So I ask again where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare? """"""I didn't say one gets something. You did. Whites on welfare screwed up their advantage like say the tortoise and the hare."""""""

In the world? Walking around black in the world has no bearing on it. """"""""You ain't black. You have idea. Every black I ever talked to said it makes a difference."""""""""

Not even in the us. We had a black president. Tiger woods. Oprah. Jordan. Lebron. Condi Rice, C Powell, etc. """""""""and they each fought privilege all the way up the ladder which is not to you didn't. You are successful and had your own obstacles. Congratulations. Be proud of yourself. Seriously I mean it being black was not one of those obstacles. For blacks it is.""""""""""

They were black and yet overcame this so called lack of privilege. How?

How do so many Asians and Hispanics overcome it? Especially the Asians who as an immigrant group are highly educated and successful. """""""""How many of them started as slaves and 3/5 of a person, endured segregation and Jim Crow, bad housing laws, Consistently for 500 years. My German ancestors endured racism but did not come as slaves and within Oreo generations were assimilated. Hispanics and Asians came as immigrants not as slaves. That's a huge difference. Sure they faced discrimination but they were free from the start. """""""

There is no such thing as White privilege. You have done everything but prove it. You have argued the definition of the word. You have lied about what I have said and been proven wrong. You have provided anecdotal stories. But not one shred of evidence.

Look white privilege exists but you're white and don't know it you're culturally blind. You don't trust the witness of blacks but I do. Either you get it or you don't Apparently you don't want to get it. It's a common response among whites. You want your definition to be proved wrong but your definition/premise is not accurate. White privilege is really simple You are born white and walk around white and people treat you differently than blacks. You can't see it but it's real. Just ask your black bros.


Dude you are a lost cause. You provide the definition of privilege and then go on to say that white privilege doesn't mean the same as the definition of the word.

No it isn't real.

You have not answered a single question.

You only deflect.

I have asked one simple question and you cannot even answer that. Then I asked about blacks and you ignored that.

Slaves? You want to bring up something that ceased to exist 150+ years ago and use that as an excuse for people born after it ended??

Now I know you are arguing a lost cause.

White privilege does not exist. If it did you could provide evidence. Not just stories told to you by a few black people.

Where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare?

White privilege does not exist.

White privilege does not exist.
Blacks being treated like crap does.
Tomato/Tomato

I asked earlier here about two applicants that are dead even in every way, but one is white and one is black and the only responses that I've gotten back was that the boss should hire who he wants and is most comfortable with.... that's systemic racism and white privilege....
If it is tomato/tomato, what privilege should we take away from whites to make things better, and how should we do that?

As for your question, when are you every going to find a situation where applicants are dead even in every way with one being black and one being white? I suppose if you did, I'd suggest flipping a coin.
are you really saying that dead even would matter? the white bosses will choose who they are most comfortable with regardless of qualifications most of the time.... and since most of the bosses are white most of their choices will be too... unless there is a strong incentive to go with more minorities in their department
I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
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Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.


Cool story bro.

And I went to a high school that had all races. Ben Gay (the failed football player) and Josh Beckett (MLB pitcher) both were there. So one great black athlete and one great white athlete. Lots of other blacks, Hispanics and Asians. There was an Asian girl that scored 1600 on her SAT (when the top score was 1600) and we all graduated together.

And not once was there any privilege for any of us because of a skin color.

Now Ben got lots because he was a star athlete and this meant he could get away with lots.....

But that couldn't happen in your world if white privilege was a thing....
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Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.

Did your parents ever seek transfers to Carver and/or AJ Moore for you and your sister?
Waco1947
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RioRata said:

Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.

Did your parents ever seek transfers to Carver and/or AJ Moore for you and your sister?
n No, it was Jim Crow Days
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Waco1947 said:

RioRata said:

Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.

Did your parents ever seek transfers to Carver and/or AJ Moore for you and your sister?
n No, it was Jim Crow Days

But there were seven blacks at Waco High School when your sister attended. There were numerous black students that attended Provident Heights (same time frame you described) when I attended.
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Hey I've got an idea if you want to tear down a country so you can remake it how you want! You can divide it's people into groups and pit them against each other. You can turn blacks and whites against each other by calling whites racists and not allowing whites to call blacks racists. That make both races mad at each other. We can say whites are privileged no matter where they've come from to get where they are! We can call this white privilege and can repeat it incessantly to continue to anger both races against each other.

Eventually both races, maybe even Hispanics, can be used against each other with race riots. Maybe a few will be killed but that's ok as they'll be our martyrs to get what we want! Then us in government can swoop in as the saviors to fix what we messed up with all this. Then WE can create our own from of government where everyone is equal. But us in government won't be their equal as we can be above them and use them for OUR workers as we get rich collecting the money they should be making for their labors. We won't allow them to call this slavery as WE won't allow free speech. We will take away free speech for the decenters! We can teach them how good that Socialism is for the social welfare of all the people. We can teach them how good it is for all to be together, as one, after they are hopelessly divided with no solution possible for the division. Socialism will be viewed as the solution for all and we can attach ourselves to a political party that will allow us into its' fold. In USA the most accessible party will be the Democrat Party

We must divide all the people so we can be seen as the only solution for all the people. The world will then be ours!!!!!!!
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Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.
I grew up in Austin and just outside Austin. Lots of Hispanics and blacks...no issues. Everyone got along. If you were athletic, you got away with alot more.

YOU may have white privilege but don't assume or cast your WP on others. Most popular guy at my high school was black, got a full ride (and a new car) from UT, then went pro.

Yes there are racist people of every color and towards every color. I realize you want it to be a one-way street, but it's not.
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D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
This is starting to sound like a semantic argument. What does privilege mean? A special benefit or opportunity? Much of what we're talking about when we discuss the disparate treatments of white Americans and black Americans involves what we would consider not much more than equal treatment under the law or equal recognition of basic human dignity. As a white man, I can generally take for granted that I won't be followed around a department store while I'm shopping and made to feel like I'm a suspicious person. I can take for granted that the police won't start following me around if I'm driving through an affluent neighborhood of have a nice car. I can take for granted that the police won't stop and frisk me while I'm walking or that someone who doesn't know me will call the cops if they see me unlocking the door to my house. And on and on. That doesn't feel like a privilege, and yet these are things that black men simply cannot take for granted.

Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).

But what gets called privilege also of course goes way beyond discriminatory practices in law enforcement.

The practices of "red-lining" neighborhoods, discriminatory and deceptive loan practices and residential segregation have already been mentioned. The effect of these practices was that black Americans were less able to accumulate wealth that they could use to build a stable middle-class life and pass on to their children, even if they started out with the same assets as a white family that didn't face such discrimination in housing and lending. Should we make up for this by discriminating against white people? Of course not.

But in all of these areas a big part of the problem is that this legacy of discrimination has never been publicly acknowledged and still isn't widely known. It probably isn't possible to remediate all of the past wrongs. And yet part of the remedy is to acknowledge that those wrongs occurred -- and in some cases are still occurring.

Time and again I hear the argument that acknowledging these old wrongs is just re-opening old wounds and keeps black and white people from being reconciled. I hear white people arguing that we had achieved a post-racial society, as evidenced by the election of a black president, and that, therefore, Obama and black people set race relations back by talking about race. I even hear the suggestion that black people are race haters by talking about racism.

The claim that we had ever achieved a post-racial society is simply bull*****

The idea that there can be reconciliation without truth-telling is equally bull*****

Telling the truth about our history and its effects is a form of reparations. And the best part is that this type of reparation is paid to all Americans, not just African Americans.

Germany has come to grips with the horrors of its 20th century history.
South Africa has acknowledged what happened under apartheid.
One of the reasons why Rwanda has one of highest economic growth rates in Africa is that it went through with truth and reconciliation.

And yet the US still doesn't want to come to grips with our nation's racial history since 1865. So we have whole generations of white Americans who are able to deny this history because they honestly don't know it. No one taught them.

In Waco, they don't teach kids about the notorious lynching in 1915 where a man was burned alive in front of thousands of people. Did you know that McLennan County had more lynchings (15) than all but one other county in Texas? I didn't know that until last week, when I visited the website for Bryan Stevenson's Equal Justice Initiative. How many white people in McLennan County do you think know that? Hardly a one, I suspect. And yet black people in Waco, as I discovered, can tell you about lynchings there because the knowledge was passed down in the community. The historical memory was strong enough that some black people believed that the 1953 tornado, which killed over 100 white people and brought its full wrath downtown where the lynching occurred four decades earlier, was divine retribution for what Waco did. So we wind up with two different historical narratives instead of a common narrative because we as a society don't want to face up to the aspects of the story that don't reveal us as we would wish. And old wounds and resentments fester because the majority of the community want to sweep them under the rug and go on as if nothing happened.

So I say that, if we want to do something about white privilege, start with honestly telling our common story.
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RioRata said:

Waco1947 said:

RioRata said:

Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life.
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.

Did your parents ever seek transfers to Carver and/or AJ Moore for you and your sister?
n No, it was Jim Crow Days

But there were seven blacks at Waco High School when your sister attended. There were numerous black students that attended Provident Heights (same time frame you described) when I attended.
. So?
Racism was still wide spread and blacks were turned away from white churches.
Waco1947 ,la
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fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life. I
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.
I grew up in Austin and just outside Austin. Lots of Hispanics and blacks...no issues. Everyone got along. If you were athletic, you got away with alot more.

YOU may have white privilege but don't assume or cast your WP on others. Most popular guy at my high school was black, got a full ride (and a new car) from UT, then went pro.

Yes there are racist people of every color and towards every color. I realize you want it to be a one-way street, but it's not.
in your little world yes maybe. But you ain't black and walk the world black.
Waco1947 ,la
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Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

I grew up in segregated schools in Waco. 12 years and nary a black student ever. My sister a year behind went to Waco High and her class had 7 blacks. Richfield 0. But MlLK and my parents woke me up.
I went to a small Methodist school in Texas in 1968 I took a January class called Black History. I read The Strange Career Of Jim Crow" and "Black like Me" and "Malcolm X". I learned that being black in America was a strangle, unjust, cruel, mean, demeaning life. I
White privilege was huge in those days and encouraged and I benefited greatly. But WP is still a thing not as overt but more covert but still a thing. Before people discover I am a liberal I hear things because I'm white and in the"club." So I hear the racism. It stops when I'm outed as a liberal or I declare myself so I know it exists.
I grew up in Austin and just outside Austin. Lots of Hispanics and blacks...no issues. Everyone got along. If you were athletic, you got away with alot more.

YOU may have white privilege but don't assume or cast your WP on others. Most popular guy at my high school was black, got a full ride (and a new car) from UT, then went pro.

Yes there are racist people of every color and towards every color. I realize you want it to be a one-way street, but it's not.
in your little world yes maybe. But you ain't black and walk the world black.
Neither do you.

Funny how YOU expect YOUR examples to be applicable but not others....Is walking around Hispanic the same as black?
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bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
This is starting to sound like a semantic argument. What does privilege mean? A special benefit or opportunity? Much of what we're talking about when we discuss the disparate treatments of white Americans and black Americans involves what we would consider not much more than equal treatment under the law or equal recognition of basic human dignity. As a white man, I can generally take for granted that I won't be followed around a department store while I'm shopping and made to feel like I'm a suspicious person. I can take for granted that the police won't start following me around if I'm driving through an affluent neighborhood of have a nice car. I can take for granted that the police won't stop and frisk me while I'm walking or that someone who doesn't know me will call the cops if they see me unlocking the door to my house. And on and on. That doesn't feel like a privilege, and yet these are things that black men simply cannot take for granted.

Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).

But what gets called privilege also of course goes way beyond discriminatory practices in law enforcement.

The practices of "red-lining" neighborhoods, discriminatory and deceptive loan practices and residential segregation have already been mentioned. The effect of these practices was that black Americans were less able to accumulate wealth that they could use to build a stable middle-class life and pass on to their children, even if they started out with the same assets as a white family that didn't face such discrimination in housing and lending. Should we make up for this by discriminating against white people? Of course not.

But in all of these areas a big part of the problem is that this legacy of discrimination has never been publicly acknowledged and still isn't widely known. It probably isn't possible to remediate all of the past wrongs. And yet part of the remedy is to acknowledge that those wrongs occurred -- and in some cases are still occurring.

Time and again I hear the argument that acknowledging these old wrongs is just re-opening old wounds and keeps black and white people from being reconciled. I hear white people arguing that we had achieved a post-racial society, as evidenced by the election of a black president, and that, therefore, Obama and black people set race relations back by talking about race. I even hear the suggestion that black people are race haters by talking about racism.

The claim that we had ever achieved a post-racial society is simply bull*****

The idea that there can be reconciliation without truth-telling is equally bull*****

Telling the truth about our history and its effects is a form of reparations. And the best part is that this type of reparation is paid to all Americans, not just African Americans.

Germany has come to grips with the horrors of its 20th century history.
South Africa has acknowledged what happened under apartheid.
One of the reasons why Rwanda has one of highest economic growth rates in Africa is that it went through with truth and reconciliation.

And yet the US still doesn't want to come to grips with our nation's racial history since 1865. So we have whole generations of white Americans who are able to deny this history because they honestly don't know it. No one taught them.

In Waco, they don't teach kids about the notorious lynching in 1915 where a man was burned alive in front of thousands of people. Did you know that McLennan County had more lynchings (15) than all but one other county in Texas? I didn't know that until last week, when I visited the website for Bryan Stevenson's Equal Justice Initiative. How many white people in McLennan County do you think know that? Hardly a one, I suspect. And yet black people in Waco, as I discovered, can tell you about lynchings there because the knowledge was passed down in the community. The historical memory was strong enough that some black people believed that the 1953 tornado, which killed over 100 white people and brought its full wrath downtown where the lynching occurred four decades earlier, was divine retribution for what Waco did. So we wind up with two different historical narratives instead of a common narrative because we as a society don't want to face up to the aspects of the story that don't reveal us as we would wish. And old wounds and resentments fester because the majority of the community want to sweep them under the rug and go on as if nothing happened.

So I say that, if we want to do something about white privilege, start with honestly telling our common story.
I agree with pretty much all of your post, but semantics matter because words mean things and have real implications.
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bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
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D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
This is starting to sound like a semantic argument. What does privilege mean? A special benefit or opportunity? Much of what we're talking about when we discuss the disparate treatments of white Americans and black Americans involves what we would consider not much more than equal treatment under the law or equal recognition of basic human dignity. As a white man, I can generally take for granted that I won't be followed around a department store while I'm shopping and made to feel like I'm a suspicious person. I can take for granted that the police won't start following me around if I'm driving through an affluent neighborhood of have a nice car. I can take for granted that the police won't stop and frisk me while I'm walking or that someone who doesn't know me will call the cops if they see me unlocking the door to my house. And on and on. That doesn't feel like a privilege, and yet these are things that black men simply cannot take for granted.

Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).

But what gets called privilege also of course goes way beyond discriminatory practices in law enforcement.

The practices of "red-lining" neighborhoods, discriminatory and deceptive loan practices and residential segregation have already been mentioned. The effect of these practices was that black Americans were less able to accumulate wealth that they could use to build a stable middle-class life and pass on to their children, even if they started out with the same assets as a white family that didn't face such discrimination in housing and lending. Should we make up for this by discriminating against white people? Of course not.

But in all of these areas a big part of the problem is that this legacy of discrimination has never been publicly acknowledged and still isn't widely known. It probably isn't possible to remediate all of the past wrongs. And yet part of the remedy is to acknowledge that those wrongs occurred -- and in some cases are still occurring.

Time and again I hear the argument that acknowledging these old wrongs is just re-opening old wounds and keeps black and white people from being reconciled. I hear white people arguing that we had achieved a post-racial society, as evidenced by the election of a black president, and that, therefore, Obama and black people set race relations back by talking about race. I even hear the suggestion that black people are race haters by talking about racism.

The claim that we had ever achieved a post-racial society is simply bull*****

The idea that there can be reconciliation without truth-telling is equally bull*****

Telling the truth about our history and its effects is a form of reparations. And the best part is that this type of reparation is paid to all Americans, not just African Americans.

Germany has come to grips with the horrors of its 20th century history.
South Africa has acknowledged what happened under apartheid.
One of the reasons why Rwanda has one of highest economic growth rates in Africa is that it went through with truth and reconciliation.

And yet the US still doesn't want to come to grips with our nation's racial history since 1865. So we have whole generations of white Americans who are able to deny this history because they honestly don't know it. No one taught them.

In Waco, they don't teach kids about the notorious lynching in 1915 where a man was burned alive in front of thousands of people. Did you know that McLennan County had more lynchings (15) than all but one other county in Texas? I didn't know that until last week, when I visited the website for Bryan Stevenson's Equal Justice Initiative. How many white people in McLennan County do you think know that? Hardly a one, I suspect. And yet black people in Waco, as I discovered, can tell you about lynchings there because the knowledge was passed down in the community. The historical memory was strong enough that some black people believed that the 1953 tornado, which killed over 100 white people and brought its full wrath downtown where the lynching occurred four decades earlier, was divine retribution for what Waco did. So we wind up with two different historical narratives instead of a common narrative because we as a society don't want to face up to the aspects of the story that don't reveal us as we would wish. And old wounds and resentments fester because the majority of the community want to sweep them under the rug and go on as if nothing happened.

So I say that, if we want to do something about white privilege, start with honestly telling our common story.
I agree with pretty much all of your post, but semantics matter because words mean things and have real implications.

I agree. I think the word "privilege" is more a hindrance to a substantive discussion than a help, and this conversation seems to bear that out. I'm open to a better descriptive term, if we can find one. My problem is that people get so hung up on that word that they can't get past it to talk about the real problem the word describes, and it in fact gives them an opening to deny the existence of the problem. That's an indication that there is a need to find a better term. But neither should it let those off the hook who want to deny the problem.
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D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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D. C. Bear said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

47 decided to leave the thread and instead take it to private messages..... his lack of debate skills or any sort of rational argument extend to that form of communication as well.

Your definition of white privilege is "Whites are given free stuff because they are white."
If that definition is true then why are white people on welfare rolls? That's your 'argument.'

Your definition of white privilege is wrong. You have no idea because you will read or Aggie with or counter the real definition of white privilege.
You set up a straw man definition and ask for "proof." That ain't debate that's wrong headed thinking.
Now what do you hear as my definition of white privilege?
Hint: White privilege is being born with skin and walking around white all day. That's it b


When did I provide a definition of white privilege?

Please provide the exact quote from the exact post.

Look up the word privilege and then explain.

Oh and stop sending me private messages. Either discuss it here or leave it alone.

privilege
noun
1. A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
"education is a right, not a privilege"
synonyms: advantage, benefit
Now put the word white in front of it. White skin means one is treated differently to their advantage or benefit. Not given stuff.
Cowboy, listen to a few black folk about it means to walk around black in this world.


Advantage. Right. Immunity.

So privilege means you get something. So I ask again where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare? """"""I didn't say one gets something. You did. Whites on welfare screwed up their advantage like say the tortoise and the hare."""""""

In the world? Walking around black in the world has no bearing on it. """"""""You ain't black. You have idea. Every black I ever talked to said it makes a difference."""""""""

Not even in the us. We had a black president. Tiger woods. Oprah. Jordan. Lebron. Condi Rice, C Powell, etc. """""""""and they each fought privilege all the way up the ladder which is not to you didn't. You are successful and had your own obstacles. Congratulations. Be proud of yourself. Seriously I mean it being black was not one of those obstacles. For blacks it is.""""""""""

They were black and yet overcame this so called lack of privilege. How?

How do so many Asians and Hispanics overcome it? Especially the Asians who as an immigrant group are highly educated and successful. """""""""How many of them started as slaves and 3/5 of a person, endured segregation and Jim Crow, bad housing laws, Consistently for 500 years. My German ancestors endured racism but did not come as slaves and within Oreo generations were assimilated. Hispanics and Asians came as immigrants not as slaves. That's a huge difference. Sure they faced discrimination but they were free from the start. """""""

There is no such thing as White privilege. You have done everything but prove it. You have argued the definition of the word. You have lied about what I have said and been proven wrong. You have provided anecdotal stories. But not one shred of evidence.

Look white privilege exists but you're white and don't know it you're culturally blind. You don't trust the witness of blacks but I do. Either you get it or you don't Apparently you don't want to get it. It's a common response among whites. You want your definition to be proved wrong but your definition/premise is not accurate. White privilege is really simple You are born white and walk around white and people treat you differently than blacks. You can't see it but it's real. Just ask your black bros.


Dude you are a lost cause. You provide the definition of privilege and then go on to say that white privilege doesn't mean the same as the definition of the word.

No it isn't real.

You have not answered a single question.

You only deflect.

I have asked one simple question and you cannot even answer that. Then I asked about blacks and you ignored that.

Slaves? You want to bring up something that ceased to exist 150+ years ago and use that as an excuse for people born after it ended??

Now I know you are arguing a lost cause.

White privilege does not exist. If it did you could provide evidence. Not just stories told to you by a few black people.

Where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare?

White privilege does not exist.

White privilege does not exist.
Blacks being treated like crap does.


Blacks murdering each other at astronomical rates certainly qualifies as blacks being treated like crap...by blacks.
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GolemIII said:

D. C. Bear said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

47 decided to leave the thread and instead take it to private messages..... his lack of debate skills or any sort of rational argument extend to that form of communication as well.

Your definition of white privilege is "Whites are given free stuff because they are white."
If that definition is true then why are white people on welfare rolls? That's your 'argument.'

Your definition of white privilege is wrong. You have no idea because you will read or Aggie with or counter the real definition of white privilege.
You set up a straw man definition and ask for "proof." That ain't debate that's wrong headed thinking.
Now what do you hear as my definition of white privilege?
Hint: White privilege is being born with skin and walking around white all day. That's it b


When did I provide a definition of white privilege?

Please provide the exact quote from the exact post.

Look up the word privilege and then explain.

Oh and stop sending me private messages. Either discuss it here or leave it alone.

privilege
noun
1. A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
"education is a right, not a privilege"
synonyms: advantage, benefit
Now put the word white in front of it. White skin means one is treated differently to their advantage or benefit. Not given stuff.
Cowboy, listen to a few black folk about it means to walk around black in this world.


Advantage. Right. Immunity.

So privilege means you get something. So I ask again where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare? """"""I didn't say one gets something. You did. Whites on welfare screwed up their advantage like say the tortoise and the hare."""""""

In the world? Walking around black in the world has no bearing on it. """"""""You ain't black. You have idea. Every black I ever talked to said it makes a difference."""""""""

Not even in the us. We had a black president. Tiger woods. Oprah. Jordan. Lebron. Condi Rice, C Powell, etc. """""""""and they each fought privilege all the way up the ladder which is not to you didn't. You are successful and had your own obstacles. Congratulations. Be proud of yourself. Seriously I mean it being black was not one of those obstacles. For blacks it is.""""""""""

They were black and yet overcame this so called lack of privilege. How?

How do so many Asians and Hispanics overcome it? Especially the Asians who as an immigrant group are highly educated and successful. """""""""How many of them started as slaves and 3/5 of a person, endured segregation and Jim Crow, bad housing laws, Consistently for 500 years. My German ancestors endured racism but did not come as slaves and within Oreo generations were assimilated. Hispanics and Asians came as immigrants not as slaves. That's a huge difference. Sure they faced discrimination but they were free from the start. """""""

There is no such thing as White privilege. You have done everything but prove it. You have argued the definition of the word. You have lied about what I have said and been proven wrong. You have provided anecdotal stories. But not one shred of evidence.

Look white privilege exists but you're white and don't know it you're culturally blind. You don't trust the witness of blacks but I do. Either you get it or you don't Apparently you don't want to get it. It's a common response among whites. You want your definition to be proved wrong but your definition/premise is not accurate. White privilege is really simple You are born white and walk around white and people treat you differently than blacks. You can't see it but it's real. Just ask your black bros.


Dude you are a lost cause. You provide the definition of privilege and then go on to say that white privilege doesn't mean the same as the definition of the word.

No it isn't real.

You have not answered a single question.

You only deflect.

I have asked one simple question and you cannot even answer that. Then I asked about blacks and you ignored that.

Slaves? You want to bring up something that ceased to exist 150+ years ago and use that as an excuse for people born after it ended??

Now I know you are arguing a lost cause.

White privilege does not exist. If it did you could provide evidence. Not just stories told to you by a few black people.

Where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare?

White privilege does not exist.

White privilege does not exist.
Blacks being treated like crap does.


Blacks murdering each other at astronomical rates certainly qualifies as blacks being treated like crap...by blacks.
The fact that they wholly avoid statistics and issues like this is reason to believe they aren't genuine in their effort to help black lives.

They just want to point the finger and revel in a narrative that makes them feel good.

For some odd reason hating whitey makes them feel empowered.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
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D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
And yet it hasn't been a problem for most Asian and Hispanic families.......
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.
Excellent point.
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GolemIII said:

D. C. Bear said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

47 decided to leave the thread and instead take it to private messages..... his lack of debate skills or any sort of rational argument extend to that form of communication as well.

Your definition of white privilege is "Whites are given free stuff because they are white."
If that definition is true then why are white people on welfare rolls? That's your 'argument.'

Your definition of white privilege is wrong. You have no idea because you will read or Aggie with or counter the real definition of white privilege.
You set up a straw man definition and ask for "proof." That ain't debate that's wrong headed thinking.
Now what do you hear as my definition of white privilege?
Hint: White privilege is being born with skin and walking around white all day. That's it b


When did I provide a definition of white privilege?

Please provide the exact quote from the exact post.

Look up the word privilege and then explain.

Oh and stop sending me private messages. Either discuss it here or leave it alone.

privilege
noun
1. A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
"education is a right, not a privilege"
synonyms: advantage, benefit
Now put the word white in front of it. White skin means one is treated differently to their advantage or benefit. Not given stuff.
Cowboy, listen to a few black folk about it means to walk around black in this world.


Advantage. Right. Immunity.

So privilege means you get something. So I ask again where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare? """"""I didn't say one gets something. You did. Whites on welfare screwed up their advantage like say the tortoise and the hare."""""""

In the world? Walking around black in the world has no bearing on it. """"""""You ain't black. You have idea. Every black I ever talked to said it makes a difference."""""""""

Not even in the us. We had a black president. Tiger woods. Oprah. Jordan. Lebron. Condi Rice, C Powell, etc. """""""""and they each fought privilege all the way up the ladder which is not to you didn't. You are successful and had your own obstacles. Congratulations. Be proud of yourself. Seriously I mean it being black was not one of those obstacles. For blacks it is.""""""""""

They were black and yet overcame this so called lack of privilege. How?

How do so many Asians and Hispanics overcome it? Especially the Asians who as an immigrant group are highly educated and successful. """""""""How many of them started as slaves and 3/5 of a person, endured segregation and Jim Crow, bad housing laws, Consistently for 500 years. My German ancestors endured racism but did not come as slaves and within Oreo generations were assimilated. Hispanics and Asians came as immigrants not as slaves. That's a huge difference. Sure they faced discrimination but they were free from the start. """""""

There is no such thing as White privilege. You have done everything but prove it. You have argued the definition of the word. You have lied about what I have said and been proven wrong. You have provided anecdotal stories. But not one shred of evidence.

Look white privilege exists but you're white and don't know it you're culturally blind. You don't trust the witness of blacks but I do. Either you get it or you don't Apparently you don't want to get it. It's a common response among whites. You want your definition to be proved wrong but your definition/premise is not accurate. White privilege is really simple You are born white and walk around white and people treat you differently than blacks. You can't see it but it's real. Just ask your black bros.


Dude you are a lost cause. You provide the definition of privilege and then go on to say that white privilege doesn't mean the same as the definition of the word.

No it isn't real.

You have not answered a single question.

You only deflect.

I have asked one simple question and you cannot even answer that. Then I asked about blacks and you ignored that.

Slaves? You want to bring up something that ceased to exist 150+ years ago and use that as an excuse for people born after it ended??

Now I know you are arguing a lost cause.

White privilege does not exist. If it did you could provide evidence. Not just stories told to you by a few black people.

Where is the privilege for poor whites on welfare?

White privilege does not exist.

White privilege does not exist.
Blacks being treated like crap does.


Blacks murdering each other at astronomical rates certainly qualifies as blacks being treated like crap...by blacks.
Shhh. You aren't supposed to talk about that because it destroys the narrative of others keeping them down...
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


By the time you were born, no one was attending legally segregated schools.

How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
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D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.


How many? There were many successful blacks during the Jim Crow era, but to say racist laws and attitudes had no broad impact at that time seems somewhat ridiculous.

So, how long would systemic issues have an impact?
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D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.
How many? There were many successful blacks during the Jim Crow era, but to say racist laws and attitudes had no broad impact at that time seems somewhat ridiculous.

So, how long would systemic issues have an impact?
They had an impact at that time and after for sure. Now? No.

Blacks statistically don't value parenting the same way other races do.

To remedy is to have black culture adopt positives from other cultures...not point the finger at whites.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.
How many? There were many successful blacks during the Jim Crow era, but to say racist laws and attitudes had no broad impact at that time seems somewhat ridiculous.

So, how long would systemic issues have an impact?
They had an impact at that time and after for sure. Now? No.

Blacks statistically don't value parenting the same way other races do.

To remedy is to have black culture adopt positives from other cultures...not point the finger at whites.


How did you measure their impact to reach your conclusion?
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.
How many? There were many successful blacks during the Jim Crow era, but to say racist laws and attitudes had no broad impact at that time seems somewhat ridiculous.

So, how long would systemic issues have an impact?
They had an impact at that time and after for sure. Now? No.

Blacks statistically don't value parenting the same way other races do.

To remedy is to have black culture adopt positives from other cultures...not point the finger at whites.


^^^ You're the most woke mellinial I've ever heard of
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Florda_mike said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.
How many? There were many successful blacks during the Jim Crow era, but to say racist laws and attitudes had no broad impact at that time seems somewhat ridiculous.

So, how long would systemic issues have an impact?
They had an impact at that time and after for sure. Now? No.

Blacks statistically don't value parenting the same way other races do.

To remedy is to have black culture adopt positives from other cultures...not point the finger at whites.


^^^ You're the most woke mellinial I've ever heard of
I have black millennial friends who are just like me. They know exactly how and why they are being used and they're tired of it.

They feel like these leftists are the EXACT same as racists back in the day.

The white privilege rhetoric keeps them from breaking free. It's all for votes and government corruption.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
This is starting to sound like a semantic argument. What does privilege mean? A special benefit or opportunity? Much of what we're talking about when we discuss the disparate treatments of white Americans and black Americans involves what we would consider not much more than equal treatment under the law or equal recognition of basic human dignity. As a white man, I can generally take for granted that I won't be followed around a department store while I'm shopping and made to feel like I'm a suspicious person. I can take for granted that the police won't start following me around if I'm driving through an affluent neighborhood of have a nice car. I can take for granted that the police won't stop and frisk me while I'm walking or that someone who doesn't know me will call the cops if they see me unlocking the door to my house. And on and on. That doesn't feel like a privilege, and yet these are things that black men simply cannot take for granted.

Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).

But what gets called privilege also of course goes way beyond discriminatory practices in law enforcement.

The practices of "red-lining" neighborhoods, discriminatory and deceptive loan practices and residential segregation have already been mentioned. The effect of these practices was that black Americans were less able to accumulate wealth that they could use to build a stable middle-class life and pass on to their children, even if they started out with the same assets as a white family that didn't face such discrimination in housing and lending. Should we make up for this by discriminating against white people? Of course not.

But in all of these areas a big part of the problem is that this legacy of discrimination has never been publicly acknowledged and still isn't widely known. It probably isn't possible to remediate all of the past wrongs. And yet part of the remedy is to acknowledge that those wrongs occurred -- and in some cases are still occurring.

Time and again I hear the argument that acknowledging these old wrongs is just re-opening old wounds and keeps black and white people from being reconciled. I hear white people arguing that we had achieved a post-racial society, as evidenced by the election of a black president, and that, therefore, Obama and black people set race relations back by talking about race. I even hear the suggestion that black people are race haters by talking about racism.

The claim that we had ever achieved a post-racial society is simply bull*****

The idea that there can be reconciliation without truth-telling is equally bull*****

Telling the truth about our history and its effects is a form of reparations. And the best part is that this type of reparation is paid to all Americans, not just African Americans.

Germany has come to grips with the horrors of its 20th century history.
South Africa has acknowledged what happened under apartheid.
One of the reasons why Rwanda has one of highest economic growth rates in Africa is that it went through with truth and reconciliation.

And yet the US still doesn't want to come to grips with our nation's racial history since 1865. So we have whole generations of white Americans who are able to deny this history because they honestly don't know it. No one taught them.

In Waco, they don't teach kids about the notorious lynching in 1915 where a man was burned alive in front of thousands of people. Did you know that McLennan County had more lynchings (15) than all but one other county in Texas? I didn't know that until last week, when I visited the website for Bryan Stevenson's Equal Justice Initiative. How many white people in McLennan County do you think know that? Hardly a one, I suspect. And yet black people in Waco, as I discovered, can tell you about lynchings there because the knowledge was passed down in the community. The historical memory was strong enough that some black people believed that the 1953 tornado, which killed over 100 white people and brought its full wrath downtown where the lynching occurred four decades earlier, was divine retribution for what Waco did. So we wind up with two different historical narratives instead of a common narrative because we as a society don't want to face up to the aspects of the story that don't reveal us as we would wish. And old wounds and resentments fester because the majority of the community want to sweep them under the rug and go on as if nothing happened.

So I say that, if we want to do something about white privilege, start with honestly telling our common story.
I agree with pretty much all of your post, but semantics matter because words mean things and have real implications.

I agree. I think the word "privilege" is more a hindrance to a substantive discussion than a help, and this conversation seems to bear that out. I'm open to a better descriptive term, if we can find one. My problem is that people get so hung up on that word that they can't get past it to talk about the real problem the word describes, and it in fact gives them an opening to deny the existence of the problem. That's an indication that there is a need to find a better term. But neither should it let those off the hook who want to deny the problem.
I understand your position but generally disagree that a "definition" of the problem that the "word" describes is needed to move forward.

As other have tried to put forward numerous times "defining" and "acknowledging" are two distinct differences in this argument.

By defining the term of privilege in racial terms it essentially allows for an unsolvable binary condition and the general problem of denial of personal accountability from the "Poc" perspective.

Acknowledgement seems to be the area of more consensus and the likely area where discussion can be moved forward. Yet again there are ranges to consider just as you did.

For example in your explanation you ranged numerous areas/issues to acknowledge in your description
1) directly proven racially based issue (Ie. Slavery, Segregation, etc.)
2) correlated to race and leading to economic "disadvantages" - (ie. Implementation of The National Housing Act of 1934, Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944 GI Bill)
3) abstract of racial basis - "feeling" of being watched or "driving while black".

In my opinion most posters here arguing against a "definition" think that we as a society has acknowledged and moved forward positively on several of the above issues (mainly 1 & 2) without "defining" white privilege and to introduce a "definition" (supporting denial of personal responsibility) would hinder progress of moving forward positively on the 3rd.

(Note: I am not declaring that issues 1, 2, 3 have been resolved or mitigated in totality or in a reasonable time frame just pointing out that progress has been made.)

How would you define "white privilege" without granting the inherent denial of personal accountability from the "Poc" perspective?
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I'm not black either but I relate to lots of blacks and certainly more we'll read on race relations than you.
I believe the witness of the black community not done white determined to cling to his narrow little world.
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Bubbadog says it best
Read and contemplate
"This is starting to sound like a semantic argument. What does privilege mean? A special benefit or opportunity? Much of what we're talking about when we discuss the disparate treatments of white Americans and black Americans involves what we would consider not much more than equal treatment under the law or equal recognition of basic human dignity. As a white man, I can generally take for granted that I won't be followed around a department store while I'm shopping and made to feel like I'm a suspicious person. I can take for granted that the police won't start following me around if I'm driving through an affluent neighborhood of have a nice car. I can take for granted that the police won't stop and frisk me while I'm walking or that someone who doesn't know me will call the cops if they see me unlocking the door to my house. And on and on. That doesn't feel like a privilege, and yet these are things that black men simply cannot take for granted.

Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).

But what gets called privilege also of course goes way beyond discriminatory practices in law enforcement.

The practices of "red-lining" neighborhoods, discriminatory and deceptive loan practices and residential segregation have already been mentioned. The effect of these practices was that black Americans were less able to accumulate wealth that they could use to build a stable middle-class life and pass on to their children, even if they started out with the same assets as a white family that didn't face such discrimination in housing and lending. Should we make up for this by discriminating against white people? Of course not.

But in all of these areas a big part of the problem is that this legacy of discrimination has never been publicly acknowledged and still isn't widely known. It probably isn't possible to remediate all of the past wrongs. And yet part of the remedy is to acknowledge that those wrongs occurred -- and in some cases are still occurring.

Time and again I hear the argument that acknowledging these old wrongs is just re-opening old wounds and keeps black and white people from being reconciled. I hear white people arguing that we had achieved a post-racial society, as evidenced by the election of a black president, and that, therefore, Obama and black people set race relations back by talking about race. I even hear the suggestion that black people are race haters by talking about racism.

The claim that we had ever achieved a post-racial society is simply bull*****

The idea that there can be reconciliation without truth-telling is equally bull*****

Telling the truth about our history and its effects is a form of reparations. And the best part is that this type of reparation is paid to all Americans, not just African Americans.

Germany has come to grips with the horrors of its 20th century history.
South Africa has acknowledged what happened under apartheid.
One of the reasons why Rwanda has one of highest economic growth rates in Africa is that it went through with truth and reconciliation.

And yet the US still doesn't want to come to grips with our nation's racial history since 1865. So we have whole generations of white Americans who are able to deny this history because they honestly don't know it. No one taught them.

In Waco, they don't teach kids about the notorious lynching in 1915 where a man was burned alive in front of thousands of people. Did you know that McLennan County had more lynchings (15) than all but one other county in Texas? I didn't know that until last week, when I visited the website for Bryan Stevenson's Equal Justice Initiative. How many white people in McLennan County do you think know that? Hardly a one, I suspect. And yet black people in Waco, as I discovered, can tell you about lynchings there because the knowledge was passed down in the community. The historical memory was strong enough that some black people believed that the 1953 tornado, which killed over 100 white people and brought its full wrath downtown where the lynching occurred four decades earlier, was divine retribution for what Waco did. So we wind up with two different historical narratives instead of a common narrative because we as a society don't want to face up to the aspects of the story that don't reveal us as we would wish. And old wounds and resentments fester because the majority of the community want to sweep them under the rug and go on as if nothing happened.

So I say that, if we want to do something about white privilege, start with honestly telling our common story."
Waco1947 ,la
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Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

D. C. Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

I'm saying that "dead even" would be about as common as tossing a coin and having it land on it's edge.

Since African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population, most of the choices of all bosses, black white or otherwise, will be some race/ethnicity other than African American.
I've read of controlled experiments in which a black man and a white man apply for the same job with resumes that are virtually identical in terms of experience, and there were striking patterns that showed the white guy was much more likely to get hired.

Still wondering what privilege we should take away from whites to make things better and how you propose doing that.
Should we take away from white males these things we have been able to take for granted? No. One injustice should not beget another, although this solution would at least create demand for rapid change.

The more obvious and just solution is simply, duh, to treat black men with the same courtesy and presumption of innocence that we treat white men. And yet we can't get there because there is (a) so much denial that black people are actually treated differently (b) or there is a rationalization for the disparate treatment (e.g., we should profile black people because they're more likely to commit a crime).
Do you not realize that black people behave differently than white people due to their culture?
The statistics prove that the racial behavior is not equivalent.

So before you lefties start demanding white people change...you need to ask black people to change.

The murder rate, the fatherless rate, the crime rates are astronomical and CANNOT be blamed on whites.


Well, if I recall, there weren't a whole lot of blacks in Congress when they set up a system that subsidized out-of-wedlock births and punished having the father present in the home. Not a lot of Asians or Hispanics, either.
It's been WAY too long to blame on systemic issues. Far too long.

I don't see the NFL'ers kneeling for Black on Black chicago shootings/murders.


How old are you?
29


How long do you think "systemic issues" would have an impact?
Too many successful blacks at this point have proven that there is no impact any longer.
How many? There were many successful blacks during the Jim Crow era, but to say racist laws and attitudes had no broad impact at that time seems somewhat ridiculous.

So, how long would systemic issues have an impact?
They had an impact at that time and after for sure. Now? No.

Blacks statistically don't value parenting the same way other races do.

To remedy is to have black culture adopt positives from other cultures...not point the finger at whites.
Should I have to whiten my resume just to get a fair crack at an interview?

Minority job applicants are "whitening" their resumes by deleting references to their race with the hope of boosting their shot at jobs, and research shows the strategy is paying off.
In fact, companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their raceand this discriminatory practice is just as strong for businesses that claim to value diversity as those that don't.
These research findings should provide a startling wakeup call for business executives: A bias against minorities runs rampant through the resume screening process at companies throughout the United States, says Katherine A. DeCelles, the James M. Collins Visiting Associate Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School.
"Discrimination still exists in the workplace," DeCelles says. "Organizations now have an opportunity to recognize this issue as a pinch point, so they can do something about it."
DeCelles co-authored a September 2016 article about the two-year study in Administrative Science Quarterly called Whitened Resumes: Race and Self-Presentation in the Labor Market (pdf) with Sonia K. Kang, assistant professor of organizational behavior and human resource management at the University of Toronto Mississauga; Andrs Tilcsik, assistant professor of strategic management at the University of Toronto; and Sora Jun, a doctoral candidate at Stanford University.
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"DISCRIMINATION STILL EXISTS IN THE WORKPLACE. ORGANIZATIONS NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THIS ISSUE AS A PINCH POINT, SO THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT."
In one study, the researchers created resumes for black and Asian applicants and sent them out for 1,600 entry-level jobs posted on job search websites in 16 metropolitan sections of the United States. Some of the resumes included information that clearly pointed out the applicants' minority status, while others were whitened, or scrubbed of racial clues. The researchers then created email accounts and phone numbers for the applicants and observed how many were invited for interviews
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