Look, fat...you gotta , you know with the thing.

Biden and whichever globalists are rly going to control the WH if he were to get elected, would sell out you and future generations of your family immediately. They would unlock the borders and continue to bring in an endless tide of unskilled and uneducated "refugees' from primarily muslim and African countries. And the ranks of BLM and Antifa will continue to grow.... the US would enter 2nd world status in Biden's first term. In a following decade I would expect to see a major "brain drain" as those with skills and education attempt to flee the socialist shell that the globalists will leave behind... we have seen it happen too many times. We need a strong Pro- America Pro-Isolationism president in office.

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So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.

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I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.

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There is a paranoia syndrome on this board about this (progressive agenda) which is way too overblown, IMO. Too much weight is given to the loud mouths in the news. Of course I guess if anything even mildly left of center is considered progressive (most people would call it being pretty close to the center), and that seems to be the position held on this board.

If the progressives were in charge of the party, Sanders or Warren would be the candidate. The party rejected them for Biden, quite decisively. The main street Democrat and left leaning Independents are not extreme progressives. But if the Reps keep sliding more to the right, the progressives will get more powerful as time goes on. While the Reps wait for the Biden presidency to end the best things the Reps can do is to get their house in order and present a candidate that is competent, has political and foreign policy experience, and at least appears to care more for the country than him/herself.

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Hey, just wanted to pause for a moment and thank all of you future Biden voters for overwhelming this thread with so many POSITIVE, motivational reasons to vote FOR dementia Joe thus far. I had no idea.

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I'm not voting for Biden, but you should consider that Biden's cognitive and mental acuity skills far exceed Trump's.

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That post is as laughably dumb and as wrong as anything you've ever posted, even including all the posts denying the existence of a Divine Creator. As a "scientist" what is your area of specialization - the study of stupidology maybe?

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Biden's speeches are far more coherent and stay subject than Trump's incoherent, fragmented ramblings. The cult of personality must have made you deaf, or you lack the capacity to understand and comprehend basic English.

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and 10 points higher than Trump.

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Pandemic, economic collapse and racial strife....yep hard to argue with that record.

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Don't forget his across the board failed foreign policy.

What would a pro-globalism president like Joe Biden do the prevent global overpopulation and 3rd world nations exporting all of their poorest citizens to America?

How would a pro-globalism president like Joe Biden bring back middle class jobs to the US? How would he improve the US economy and restore the Judeo-Christian philosophies of hard work and sacrifice to the youth of this nation?

He has given authority to the states. Which was the correct call. Do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the supposed mishandling of the virus? Or are their hands completely clean in your view?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tulsa-athletic-soccer-announces-dropping-national-anthem-before-games-034708525.html

The mob has now moved on to removing the National Anthem. Do you support stripping this country of its cultural heritage and leaving it an empty globalist shell? Why are they erasing America's history and culture? Will Biden protect American history and culture from being erased?

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How would a pro-globalism president like Joe Biden bring back middle class jobs to the US? How would he improve the US economy and restore the Judeo-Christian philosophies of hard work and sacrifice to the youth of this nation?

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Again, I'm not a Biden fan. Someone stable in the White House who is not psychologically unstable would have to be postive force in terms of confidence in the economy and the country overall. Hard work and sacrifice is hardly unique to Judeo-Christian-Islamic philosphies. That premise has been a mantra around the world for millennia. Mormons have a strong work ethic. Maybe we should dump Trump at the convention and put Romney back in if that's what you think is missing.

Trump could not answer Hannity last night on what his second term would look like.

At this point I think we should give both of them a crossword and whoever finishes it correctly gets to be President.

I asked you specifically about Joe Biden. Is Joe Biden psychologically more stable than Donald Trump? Do you really think Joe Biden's ego is any smaller than Trump? Have you seen how he reacts to even the smallest criticism avg people have given him at town halls and meet and greets? Imagine how Biden would behave if the media attacked him as much as they do with Trump... this is two candidate race. You only have two choices. Trump isnt a great politician but at least I know where he stands on nearly every issue. And I agree with him on a majority of issues.

*Edit* And to be clear and consistent, one of the reasons I favor Trump is bcs he IS NOT a politician

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How? You seem to be the one of the most far left members on the entire board but I have never seen you defend your positions. You use sensational language and never support any of your positions with evidence or logic.

Blackie went MIA... and Scientist completely dodged my questions, so I will leave these questions open to anyone in this thread who is planning on voting for Joe Biden bcs I am genuinely curious:

1) How would a pro-globalism president like Joe Biden bring back middle class jobs to the US? How would he improve the US economy and restore the Judeo-Christian philosophies of hard work and sacrifice to the youth of this nation?

2) What would a pro-globalism president like Joe Biden do the prevent global overpopulation and 3rd world nations exporting all of their poorest citizens to America?

3) The mob has now moved on to removing the National Anthem(see article below). Do you support stripping this country of its cultural heritage and leaving it an empty globalist shell? Why are they erasing America's history and culture? Will Joe Biden protect American history and culture from being erased?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tulsa-athletic-soccer-announces-dropping-national-anthem-before-games-034708525.html

4) TexasScientist claimed Donald Trump has mishandled the COVID virus and is responsible for COVID virus and the economical fallout. Personally I believe Donald Trump handled the COVID by giving authority to the states, which in my view was the correct decision. If you believe the COVID virus has been mishandled my question to you is do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the mishandling of the virus? What is the media attempting to accomplish when they spend an entire press briefing asking questions about two words from a two hour rally(I am referring to "Kung Flu"). Are democrats, the media, and China completely clean in your view?

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So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.

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I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.

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Biden is a moderate. This is why Obama named him his running mate in the first place to bring balance to that ticket as Obama was from the more progressive wing. In fact you have the sicem365 right who think they are undermining him here by bringing up how conservative he is every once in a while But again it is all relative. You folks (not you specifically Okie, I' talking to the general crowd) think centrists are leftist anyway.

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If Biden chose a moderate vice president and I could be confident that those two would be in complete control within the White House, I would give them a serious look in November. But I don't think that will be the case.

I've got anything I could get out of trump that benefits me, the way I see it. I don't see a second term as being anything other than holding back a more progressive movement. At least not as of today.

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So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.

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I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.

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Biden is a moderate. This is why Obama named him his running mate in the first place to bring balance to that ticket as Obama was from the more progressive wing. In fact you have the sicem365 right who think they are undermining him here by bringing up how conservative he is every once in a while But again it is all relative. You folks (not you specifically Okie, I' talking to the general crowd) think centrists are leftist anyway.

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If Biden chose a moderate vice president and I could be confident that those two would be in complete control within the White House, I would give them a serious look in November. But I don't think that will be the case.

I've got anything I could get out of trump that benefits me, the way I see it. I don't see a second term as being anything other than holding back a more progressive movement. At least not as of today.

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Just out of curiosity, who would you count as a moderate choice for VP?

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So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.

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I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.

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Biden is a moderate. This is why Obama named him his running mate in the first place to bring balance to that ticket as Obama was from the more progressive wing. In fact you have the sicem365 right who think they are undermining him here by bringing up how conservative he is every once in a while But again it is all relative. You folks (not you specifically Okie, I' talking to the general crowd) think centrists are leftist anyway.

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If Biden chose a moderate vice president and I could be confident that those two would be in complete control within the White House, I would give them a serious look in November. But I don't think that will be the case.

I've got anything I could get out of trump that benefits me, the way I see it. I don't see a second term as being anything other than holding back a more progressive movement. At least not as of today.

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Just out of curiosity, who would you count as a moderate choice for VP?

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I don't really know. I'd have to see who his choice was and do my own research. But I think no matter who he chooses, the progressives behind the scenes will have too much influence, and that's what concerns me most.

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So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.

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I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.

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Biden is a moderate. This is why Obama named him his running mate in the first place to bring balance to that ticket as Obama was from the more progressive wing. In fact you have the sicem365 right who think they are undermining him here by bringing up how conservative he is every once in a while But again it is all relative. You folks (not you specifically Okie, I' talking to the general crowd) think centrists are leftist anyway.

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If Biden chose a moderate vice president and I could be confident that those two would be in complete control within the White House, I would give them a serious look in November. But I don't think that will be the case.

I've got anything I could get out of trump that benefits me, the way I see it. I don't see a second term as being anything other than holding back a more progressive movement. At least not as of today.

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Just out of curiosity, who would you count as a moderate choice for VP?

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I don't really know. I'd have to see who his choice was and do my own research. But I think no matter who he chooses, the progressives behind the scenes will have too much influence, and that's what concerns me most.

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You are 100% correct. But I dont call them progressives anymore. Progress is a positive word. I call them globalists or anarchists. They come from two very different sides of the economic spectrum and have very different motivations, but their goal is the same - to destroy America and our middle class. To destroy America's status as a world superpower, America's cultural identity, and American history.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Trump could not answer Hannity last night on what his second term would look like.

At this point I think we should give both of them a crossword and whoever finishes it correctly gets to be President.

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Actually he did: "Me."

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Another thread ignoring third parties.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.

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I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.

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Biden is a moderate. This is why Obama named him his running mate in the first place to bring balance to that ticket as Obama was from the more progressive wing. In fact you have the sicem365 right who think they are undermining him here by bringing up how conservative he is every once in a while But again it is all relative. You folks (not you specifically Okie, I' talking to the general crowd) think centrists are leftist anyway.

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If Biden chose a moderate vice president and I could be confident that those two would be in complete control within the White House, I would give them a serious look in November. But I don't think that will be the case.

I've got anything I could get out of trump that benefits me, the way I see it. I don't see a second term as being anything other than holding back a more progressive movement. At least not as of today.

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Just out of curiosity, who would you count as a moderate choice for VP?

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I know this isn't directed at me, but anyway............

Political positions

Condoleeza Rice is often described as a centrist or moderate Republican. On The Issues, a non-partisan organization which rates candidates based on their policy positions, considers Rice to be a centrist. She takes both liberal and conservative positions; she is pro-choice on abortion, supports gun rights, opposes same-sex marriage but supports civil unions, and supports building oil pipelines such as the Keystone XL pipeline.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Another thread ignoring third parties.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.

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So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Another thread ignoring third parties.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.

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So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.

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It's a values vote.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Another thread ignoring third parties.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.

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So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.

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It's a values vote.

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A distinction without a difference.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Another thread ignoring third parties.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.

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So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.

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It's a values vote.

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A distinction without a difference.

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To you maybe, but values matter to me, not gestures.

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It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.

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Another thread ignoring third parties.

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OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?

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As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.

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So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.

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It's a values vote.

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A distinction without a difference.

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To you maybe, but values matter to me, not gestures.

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If your vote does not lead to good change, it's a gesture regardless of the motive behind it.

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He has given authority to the states. Which was the correct call. Do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the supposed mishandling of the virus? Or are their hands completely clean in your view?

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Trump is the one in the WH overseeing the CDC, NIH, FEMA etc. and sitting on his hands. States are not equiped to deal with this independently. The nature of the virus/crisis requires a nationally coordinated effort, which so far Trump has refused to implement. Public communication, testing, quarantining, contact tracing and isolation. It may be too late to successfully implement any meaningful response now. The other than failing to recognize the threat early (which is the job of the Executive Branch) the Legislative Branch (House and the Senate) have passed legislation where needed. They need a competent President to lead them and the states for what is needed in coordinated response. We don't have that willingness in this president. This really shouldn't be a Dem vs. Rep issue. Trump has made it into that more than anyone else.