So who out there is fired up to vote FOR Biden?

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The_barBEARian
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TexasScientist said:

The_barBEARian said:

He has given authority to the states. Which was the correct call. Do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the supposed mishandling of the virus? Or are their hands completely clean in your view?
Trump is the one in the WH overseeing the CDC, NIH, FEMA etc. and sitting on his hands. States are not equiped to deal with this independently. The nature of the virus/crisis requires a nationally coordinated effort, which so far Trump has refused to implement. Public communication, testing, quarantining, contact tracing and isolation. It may be too late to successfully implement any meaningful response now. The other than failing to recognize the threat early (which is the job of the Executive Branch) the Legislative Branch (House and the Senate) have passed legislation where needed. They need a competent President to lead them and the states for what is needed in coordinated response. We don't have that willingness in this president. This really shouldn't be a Dem vs. Rep issue. Trump has made it into that more than anyone else.
And how would Joe Biden have faired? Would he have ended travel from China back in February?

If things are so awful why is the death rate so low? Could it be that COVID actually isnt any worse than the season flu? Could it be that there are certain elements trying to create fear and chaos by making up a bubonic plague where none exists? Several months ago I was worried about COVID. Today I am not. I believe this virus has become strictly political.
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Checks and balances still matter.









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Interesting post
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Johnny, Trump has been such a bad president, and has taken our country so low, that I would vote for MItt Romney--a man for whom I have tremendous personal respect, because he is honest and honorable, but agree on almost nothing re: political views--if I thought I needed to do that to ensure we would not have a second term of Donald Trump.

I listened to a really good interview with Carly Fiorina today. She and I are about as close together in our political views as me and Mitt. But Ms. Fiorina also respects the rule of law, democracy and having a functional adult in the White House.

What I can't figure out is why you support him. The only answer I can come up with is that you don't do your own thinking: you let Fox, Rush and your pastor do it for you.

See you at the polls.
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blackie said:

BaylorOkie said:

blackie said:


So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.


I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.
There is a paranoia syndrome on this board about this (progressive agenda) which is way too overblown, IMO. Too much weight is given to the loud mouths in the news. Of course I guess if anything even mildly left of center is considered progressive (most people would call it being pretty close to the center), and that seems to be the position held on this board.

If the progressives were in charge of the party, Sanders or Warren would be the candidate. The party rejected them for Biden, quite decisively. The main street Democrat and left leaning Independents are not extreme progressives. But if the Reps keep sliding more to the right, the progressives will get more powerful as time goes on. While the Reps wait for the Biden presidency to end the best things the Reps can do is to get their house in order and present a candidate that is competent, has political and foreign policy experience, and at least appears to care more for the country than him/herself.
I was hoping to be voting for Bloomberg, becuase of his policy positions. Sanders was at the bottom of my ranking, when I took the WaPo "whose policy positions best match yours" voter poll.

But on this site, I'm viewed as a wild-eyed liberal because I do not believe the government should make reproductive decisons for women (or anyone else), a position any real and honest libertarian would also take. (Rand and Ron Paul, Paul Ryan and Justin Amash are not real and honest libertarians; they are religious libertarians, so they're willing to bend their "no government interference in individual choices" philosophy when it comes to pregnant women,which, IMO, more reflects their attitude toward women as second-class citizens who probably shouldn't even be voting than it does their political philosophy (as long as women aren't voting).
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Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Johnny Bear said:

It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.
Another thread ignoring third parties.
OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?
As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.
So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.
It's a values vote.
A distinction without a difference.
To you maybe, but values matter to me, not gestures.
If your vote does not lead to good change, it's a gesture regardless of the motive behind it.


I have a longer view than you do.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

Johnny Bear said:

It's understood there are those of you that will be voting AGAINST Trump, which means voting for Biden. I get it that some of you hate Trump so much you'd vote for a sewer rat if that was the other option - which I think is simultaneously both ignorant and dangerous - but I get it that you feel that way. That aside, I'm curious who is honestly excited and enthused to vote FOR Biden. If you are, please explain why and answers like "because Trump sucks" or "because Orange Man Bad" or "because Trump is crazy" don't count. I understand and accept that you feel that way, but I'm really curious about what POSITIVE reasons you see to vote FOR Biden. Especially interested in answers from those of you that claim to be business tycoons, oil barons, high income earners, lawyers, scientists, and concerned pastors. How will a Biden Presidency actually be positive for or help you, your business or vocation, and the country in general?

Looking forward to your responses.
Another thread ignoring third parties.
OK then, who are the top candidates running who are not Democrat or Republican?
As I've said several times, I will be voting for the only Bear in the race.
So it's a gesture vote.

Fair enough.
It's a values vote.
A distinction without a difference.
To you maybe, but values matter to me, not gestures.
If your vote does not lead to good change, it's a gesture regardless of the motive behind it.


I have a longer view than you do.


That claim is debatable
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Jinx 2 said:

blackie said:

BaylorOkie said:

blackie said:


So, no, I don't have anything I am excited about for Biden other than I believe we will have a coordinated staff running the country verses the whims of a single person whose consistency on issues is non-existent. I do believe we will have a better chance under Biden of not further dividing the country to the extreme because of more reasonable stances toward humanitarian issues. While I agree with many of the conservative leaning positions favored by moderate conservatives, I just don't think this country can take four more years of Trump.


I would feel much better if I could have any sort of confidence that the people within a Biden White House would be moderate. But I think the pressure to submit to the extreme progressive agenda will be too great. And Biden will be too weak to stop it.
There is a paranoia syndrome on this board about this (progressive agenda) which is way too overblown, IMO. Too much weight is given to the loud mouths in the news. Of course I guess if anything even mildly left of center is considered progressive (most people would call it being pretty close to the center), and that seems to be the position held on this board.

If the progressives were in charge of the party, Sanders or Warren would be the candidate. The party rejected them for Biden, quite decisively. The main street Democrat and left leaning Independents are not extreme progressives. But if the Reps keep sliding more to the right, the progressives will get more powerful as time goes on. While the Reps wait for the Biden presidency to end the best things the Reps can do is to get their house in order and present a candidate that is competent, has political and foreign policy experience, and at least appears to care more for the country than him/herself.
I was hoping to be voting for Bloomberg, becuase of his policy positions. Sanders was at the bottom of my ranking, when I took the WaPo "whose policy positions best match yours" voter poll.

But on this site, I'm viewed as a wild-eyed liberal because I do not believe the government should make reproductive decisons for women (or anyone else), a position any real and honest libertarian would also take. (Rand and Ron Paul, Paul Ryan and Justin Amash are not real and honest libertarians; they are religious libertarians, so they're willing to bend their "no government interference in individual choices" philosophy when it comes to pregnant women,which, IMO, more reflects their attitude toward women as second-class citizens who probably shouldn't even be voting than it does their political philosophy (as long as women aren't voting).
if you are willing to consent to the act of procreation then you should be woman enough to live with the outcome. Give kid up for adoption, get involved with a program like save the storks who will help provide necessities to new mothers. Maybe the man wants to keep the child and the woman aborts anyway, what about his and the unborn childs rights?

The ease in which a woman can kill an unborn child they willingly consented to help create is unimaginable to me.

My wife and I have fostered kids and we donate to several organizations that celebrate and promote the creation of strong families. Communities need strong families as families are the core of the human experience.
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The_barBEARian said:

TexasScientist said:

The_barBEARian said:

He has given authority to the states. Which was the correct call. Do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the supposed mishandling of the virus? Or are their hands completely clean in your view?
Trump is the one in the WH overseeing the CDC, NIH, FEMA etc. and sitting on his hands. States are not equiped to deal with this independently. The nature of the virus/crisis requires a nationally coordinated effort, which so far Trump has refused to implement. Public communication, testing, quarantining, contact tracing and isolation. It may be too late to successfully implement any meaningful response now. The other than failing to recognize the threat early (which is the job of the Executive Branch) the Legislative Branch (House and the Senate) have passed legislation where needed. They need a competent President to lead them and the states for what is needed in coordinated response. We don't have that willingness in this president. This really shouldn't be a Dem vs. Rep issue. Trump has made it into that more than anyone else.
And how would Joe Biden have faired? Would he have ended travel from China back in February?

If things are so awful why is the death rate so low? Could it be that COVID actually isnt any worse than the season flu? Could it be that there are certain elements trying to create fear and chaos by making up a bubonic plague where none exists? Several months ago I was worried about COVID. Today I am not. I believe this virus has become strictly political.
Really? Biden isn't president and is irrelavent to Trump's job performance. Trump is president, and he has mismanged this crisis. Trump ended Travel from China, but he let 40K +/- U.S. citizens return without quarantine. Ending travel from China was a good start, but then he did nothing for over a month in the face of being warned by his own advisors. He's done very little. Any other president wouldn't stick his head in the sand and pretend it is going away by April, then Summer, and recently that it is dying out. The death rate isn't low. More than four times the people have already died of Covid than Influenza. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2634167/

We are on track to 130,000 - 150,000 by July 18th. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html#anchor_1587397564229 Many are projecting that will go much higher by September. He's not willing to face the reality this isn't just going away and the economy that he was counting on for re-election, and is trying to bring back at the cost of lives is gone. If he had any sense, he would use his 'big brain' to take more than a token leadership roll national leadership roll in addressing this crisis, and use that as his ticket to re-election. But that requires someone with an IQ in triple digits. The 'wartime president' has now gone AWOL.
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COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
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The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
Covid will disappear regardless of which candidate wins. I think if the Biden loses, the Dems/ Black Lives Matter will concentrate more of their efforts on rioting, looting, and anarchy. The good news is, when Trump wins, he will no longer have to tapdance. He will not screw around and clean up the mess quickly. Hopefully he will flush twice.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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TexasScientist said:

The_barBEARian said:

TexasScientist said:

The_barBEARian said:

He has given authority to the states. Which was the correct call. Do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the supposed mishandling of the virus? Or are their hands completely clean in your view?
Trump is the one in the WH overseeing the CDC, NIH, FEMA etc. and sitting on his hands. States are not equiped to deal with this independently. The nature of the virus/crisis requires a nationally coordinated effort, which so far Trump has refused to implement. Public communication, testing, quarantining, contact tracing and isolation. It may be too late to successfully implement any meaningful response now. The other than failing to recognize the threat early (which is the job of the Executive Branch) the Legislative Branch (House and the Senate) have passed legislation where needed. They need a competent President to lead them and the states for what is needed in coordinated response. We don't have that willingness in this president. This really shouldn't be a Dem vs. Rep issue. Trump has made it into that more than anyone else.
And how would Joe Biden have faired? Would he have ended travel from China back in February?

If things are so awful why is the death rate so low? Could it be that COVID actually isnt any worse than the season flu? Could it be that there are certain elements trying to create fear and chaos by making up a bubonic plague where none exists? Several months ago I was worried about COVID. Today I am not. I believe this virus has become strictly political.
Really? Biden isn't president and is irrelavent to Trump's job performance. Trump is president, and he has mismanged this crisis. Trump ended Travel from China, but he let 40K +/- U.S. citizens return without quarantine. Ending travel from China was a good start, but then he did nothing for over a month in the face of being warned by his own advisors. He's done very little. Any other president wouldn't stick his head in the sand and pretend it is going away by April, then Summer, and recently that it is dying out. The death rate isn't low. More than four times the people have already died of Covid than Influenza. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2634167/

We are on track to 130,000 - 150,000 by July 18th. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html#anchor_1587397564229 Many are projecting that will go much higher by September. He's not willing to face the reality this isn't just going away and the economy that he was counting on for re-election, and is trying to bring back at the cost of lives is gone. If he had any sense, he would use his 'big brain' to take more than a token leadership roll national leadership roll in addressing this crisis, and use that as his ticket to re-election. But that requires someone with an IQ in triple digits. The 'wartime president' has now gone AWOL.
I don't know who the heck you are but if you think you are going to solve Covid 19 by re-shutting down this country you might as well tear up the Constitution and just start running the printing presses full of Benjamins for the next 5 years. We've always had infectious diseases and/or plagues and somehow the world did not blow up. Yes, people are going to die. I'm going to die and you are going to die although probably neither one of us know when or how. So you have to find a solution bc doing nothing is not one. I'll just say it. My solution is to open up the economy full bore as promised in the Constitution. You do not throw away life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness just bc of a virus !!! In a free country, people make choices that they must live with. If you want to go out to a bar, not wear a mask, gloves or anything that is your choice. It's the bar owners choice if he wants to be open for any and all patrons. But you run your business with your rules that are allowable under the Constitution. No shoes, no shirt, no service can easily be substituted with No mask, No distancing, No Service so get out of my bar. You can sub "bar" for any business in this country. The real problem in this country is not this virus, it's not racism, it is none of those thing bc that is just cover for people who really want to destroy this country and they will use any excuse to do so. You know who I'm talking about. My 13 yr old neighbor gets it. Go ahead and allow this country to be governed by 3 Dem branches and a Dem WH and see what it looks like in less than 2yrs. Once they get power there will be similar elections that Putin puts on. In other words, it's game, set, match!!!

The Book of Revelation has a lot to say about our future so it is all coming anyway. As a believer I cannot stop it, but I know that Jesus' as God, who created all this is going to make it whole someday. I don't care when really bc eternity is the most powerful word there is outside of infinity. In the meantime, I'll do my best to keep this country truly FREE. Shutting down the economy just for a virus is not freedom...it is slavery.

You try taking all the crapola that Trump has and see what happens. He is the man for the job at the right time. Romney was never interested in even being president. McCain was kookoo and Biden can't put 2 sentences together and if you think he is not corrupt you don't know the truth. The man has done nothing for 40 yrs, but if he really wants to be "president" he will put Michelle Obama on the ticket and that will guarantee him a win. Anybody else and it's Trump winning 40 states. Current polls mean nothing. Americans are smart people but you put MO on the ticket and those undecideds will pull the Dem lever. I know of what I speak!
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The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
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The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...

Do you really believe the President or science? I choose science? 70% of the people chose science
Waco1947
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wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
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Waco1947 said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
No, the president may have failed YOU and if all things were created by God then it is a medical and science text all rolled up in 66 books, but maybe you just haven't thought of it like that. When I need medical advice I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. When I need to find out how tornadoes are formed I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. Where do you go?
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Waco1947 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...

Do you really believe the President or science? I choose science? 70% of the people chose science
Whose "science" should be asked first.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
The_barBEARian
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Waco1947 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...

Do you really believe the President or science? I choose science? 70% of the people chose science
Is this rhetorical?
quash
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wuzzybear said:

Waco1947 said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
No, the president may have failed YOU and if all things were created by God then it is a medical and science text all rolled up in 66 books, but maybe you just haven't thought of it like that. When I need medical advice I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. When I need to find out how tornadoes are formed I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. Where do you go?


If it's hurricanes I go for a Sharpie.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

wuzzybear said:

Waco1947 said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
No, the president may have failed YOU and if all things were created by God then it is a medical and science text all rolled up in 66 books, but maybe you just haven't thought of it like that. When I need medical advice I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. When I need to find out how tornadoes are formed I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. Where do you go?


If it's hurricanes I go for a Sharpie.

They smell too funky
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
wuzzybear
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quash said:

wuzzybear said:

Waco1947 said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
No, the president may have failed YOU and if all things were created by God then it is a medical and science text all rolled up in 66 books, but maybe you just haven't thought of it like that. When I need medical advice I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. When I need to find out how tornadoes are formed I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. Where do you go?


If it's hurricanes I go for a Sharpie.

Let me see your life story in a movie and I'll be sure to point out your weather mistakes.. Wow...just like CNN. Find a break in the curtain and slam it as hard as you know. Sharpies...man that is gonna solve our current issues here. What a childish thing to bring up in all of this. You must have used a lot of Sharpies on your redacted brain cells.
quash
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wuzzybear said:

quash said:

wuzzybear said:

Waco1947 said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
No, the president may have failed YOU and if all things were created by God then it is a medical and science text all rolled up in 66 books, but maybe you just haven't thought of it like that. When I need medical advice I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. When I need to find out how tornadoes are formed I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. Where do you go?


If it's hurricanes I go for a Sharpie.

Let me see your life story in a movie and I'll be sure to point out your weather mistakes.. Wow...just like CNN. Find a break in the curtain and slam it as hard as you know. Sharpies...man that is gonna solve our current issues here. What a childish thing to bring up in all of this. You must have used a lot of Sharpies on your redacted brain cells.

Um, what? You apparently have a trigger I'm unaware of.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
TexasScientist
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The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
Just like it was going to disappear in April, right? Your bucking against everything we know about biology, physics, and epidemiolgy - good luck.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
Covid will disappear regardless of which candidate wins. I think if the Biden loses, the Dems/ Black Lives Matter will concentrate more of their efforts on rioting, looting, and anarchy. The good news is, when Trump wins, he will no longer have to tapdance. He will not screw around and clean up the mess quickly. Hopefully he will flush twice.
Covid isn't going to disappear anytime soon, if at all.
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wuzzybear said:

TexasScientist said:

The_barBEARian said:

TexasScientist said:

The_barBEARian said:

He has given authority to the states. Which was the correct call. Do democrats and the media share any of the blame for the supposed mishandling of the virus? Or are their hands completely clean in your view?
Trump is the one in the WH overseeing the CDC, NIH, FEMA etc. and sitting on his hands. States are not equiped to deal with this independently. The nature of the virus/crisis requires a nationally coordinated effort, which so far Trump has refused to implement. Public communication, testing, quarantining, contact tracing and isolation. It may be too late to successfully implement any meaningful response now. The other than failing to recognize the threat early (which is the job of the Executive Branch) the Legislative Branch (House and the Senate) have passed legislation where needed. They need a competent President to lead them and the states for what is needed in coordinated response. We don't have that willingness in this president. This really shouldn't be a Dem vs. Rep issue. Trump has made it into that more than anyone else.
And how would Joe Biden have faired? Would he have ended travel from China back in February?

If things are so awful why is the death rate so low? Could it be that COVID actually isnt any worse than the season flu? Could it be that there are certain elements trying to create fear and chaos by making up a bubonic plague where none exists? Several months ago I was worried about COVID. Today I am not. I believe this virus has become strictly political.
Really? Biden isn't president and is irrelavent to Trump's job performance. Trump is president, and he has mismanged this crisis. Trump ended Travel from China, but he let 40K +/- U.S. citizens return without quarantine. Ending travel from China was a good start, but then he did nothing for over a month in the face of being warned by his own advisors. He's done very little. Any other president wouldn't stick his head in the sand and pretend it is going away by April, then Summer, and recently that it is dying out. The death rate isn't low. More than four times the people have already died of Covid than Influenza. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2634167/

We are on track to 130,000 - 150,000 by July 18th. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html#anchor_1587397564229 Many are projecting that will go much higher by September. He's not willing to face the reality this isn't just going away and the economy that he was counting on for re-election, and is trying to bring back at the cost of lives is gone. If he had any sense, he would use his 'big brain' to take more than a token leadership roll national leadership roll in addressing this crisis, and use that as his ticket to re-election. But that requires someone with an IQ in triple digits. The 'wartime president' has now gone AWOL.
I don't know who the heck you are but if you think you are going to solve Covid 19 by re-shutting down this country you might as well tear up the Constitution and just start running the printing presses full of Benjamins for the next 5 years. We've always had infectious diseases and/or plagues and somehow the world did not blow up. Yes, people are going to die. I'm going to die and you are going to die although probably neither one of us know when or how. So you have to find a solution bc doing nothing is not one. I'll just say it. My solution is to open up the economy full bore as promised in the Constitution. You do not throw away life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness just bc of a virus !!! In a free country, people make choices that they must live with. If you want to go out to a bar, not wear a mask, gloves or anything that is your choice. It's the bar owners choice if he wants to be open for any and all patrons. But you run your business with your rules that are allowable under the Constitution. No shoes, no shirt, no service can easily be substituted with No mask, No distancing, No Service so get out of my bar. You can sub "bar" for any business in this country. The real problem in this country is not this virus, it's not racism, it is none of those thing bc that is just cover for people who really want to destroy this country and they will use any excuse to do so. You know who I'm talking about. My 13 yr old neighbor gets it. Go ahead and allow this country to be governed by 3 Dem branches and a Dem WH and see what it looks like in less than 2yrs. Once they get power there will be similar elections that Putin puts on. In other words, it's game, set, match!!!

The Book of Revelation has a lot to say about our future so it is all coming anyway. As a believer I cannot stop it, but I know that Jesus' as God, who created all this is going to make it whole someday. I don't care when really bc eternity is the most powerful word there is outside of infinity. In the meantime, I'll do my best to keep this country truly FREE. Shutting down the economy just for a virus is not freedom...it is slavery.

You try taking all the crapola that Trump has and see what happens. He is the man for the job at the right time. Romney was never interested in even being president. McCain was kookoo and Biden can't put 2 sentences together and if you think he is not corrupt you don't know the truth. The man has done nothing for 40 yrs, but if he really wants to be "president" he will put Michelle Obama on the ticket and that will guarantee him a win. Anybody else and it's Trump winning 40 states. Current polls mean nothing. Americans are smart people but you put MO on the ticket and those undecideds will pull the Dem lever. I know of what I speak!
I'm not advocating shutting the country down. What I advocate is a comprehensive national (Federally led) effort to test, quarantine, trace and isolate. South Korean and others have done that successfully without shutting everything down and only 282 deaths. The longer we delay, the more likely we will be forced to shut things down and an ever higher death count. The book of Revelation was written by ignorant primitive person who didn't even know the Earth orbits the sun who was expecting Jesus to return in their lifetime. Your invoking Revelation as a theocratic response to Covid is analogous to Isis invoking the Koran as justification of its actions. Revelation didn't come to pass in the first century and it won't come to pass in the 21st century, nor will any other religous myth. Trump has the Republicans on the path to losing the Senate and more seats in the House. As Bolton says, Trump is not a conservative and has no core beliefs other than advancement of Trump.
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Oldbear83 said:

Waco1947 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...

Do you really believe the President or science? I choose science? 70% of the people chose science
Whose "science" should be asked first.
How about the President's scientists first. None of them agreed with his statement that Covid will magically disappear. What science do you think the President was relying upon to make any of those statements - please enlighten us?
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Biden's handlers are war hawks.

So many eager generals backing him because he was such an MIC ally during Obama's terms.
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TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
Covid will disappear regardless of which candidate wins. I think if the Biden loses, the Dems/ Black Lives Matter will concentrate more of their efforts on rioting, looting, and anarchy. The good news is, when Trump wins, he will no longer have to tapdance. He will not screw around and clean up the mess quickly. Hopefully he will flush twice.
Covid isn't going to disappear anytime soon, if at all.
Covid will hang around and still be out there, it will just no longer dominate most every single minute every day of the news cycle. The MSM will probably move on to the next round of impeachment hearings.

Covid is going to have to share the spotlight with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Its usefulness will have expired.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
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wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
A monarchy annoited by god no doubt. I'm pretty sure our country was founded upon opposing that very thing.
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I think I'll stay inside the rest of my life instead of taking a chance of getting a cold

Sorry but I don't want to live and enjoy my life, I'd rather live in constant fear

Sarcasm
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TexasScientist said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
A monarchy annoited by god no doubt. I'm pretty sure our country was founded upon opposing that very thing.


There's exceptions to every rule, as is wuzzy's above case

At least have Trumps rule until Swamp is drained?
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wuzzybear said:

Waco1947 said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
The President failed us.
Revelation is not a medical or science text.
No, the president may have failed YOU and if all things were created by God then it is a medical and science text all rolled up in 66 books, but maybe you just haven't thought of it like that. When I need medical advice I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. When I need to find out how tornadoes are formed I go to THE HOLY BIBLE. Where do you go?
I see now why you don't wear a mask. Do you go to a doctor for health issues? If so, why? I guess you also believe Biblical assertions over science such as the earth is flat, the sun orbits the earth, the sky separates water below from water in space.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
Covid will disappear regardless of which candidate wins. I think if the Biden loses, the Dems/ Black Lives Matter will concentrate more of their efforts on rioting, looting, and anarchy. The good news is, when Trump wins, he will no longer have to tapdance. He will not screw around and clean up the mess quickly. Hopefully he will flush twice.
Covid isn't going to disappear anytime soon, if at all.
Covid will hang around and still be out there, it will just no longer dominate most every single minute every day of the news cycle. The MSM will probably move on to the next round of impeachment hearings.

Covid is going to have to share the spotlight with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Its usefulness will have expired.
Along with expiration of a lot of people. It's on track to replace caner with the highest death count. We don't ignore any of the diseases you listed above. Trump should not be ingoring this one.
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Florda_mike said:

TexasScientist said:

wuzzybear said:

The best solution to this country's problems:

Donald Trump 2016 2020
Don Trump Jr. 2024 2028
Ivanka Trump 2032 2036
Eric Trump 2040 2044
Barron Trump 2048 2052
...any soon to be born Trump 2056 2060

Problem solved !!!
A monarchy annoited by god no doubt. I'm pretty sure our country was founded upon opposing that very thing.


There's exceptions to every rule, as is wuzzy's above case

At least have Trumps rule until Swamp is drained?
Exception? Just another dynastic monarchy. Circulating water in the swamp is not my idea of progress.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The_barBEARian said:

COVID is going to magically disappear in Nov if Biden wins...
Covid will disappear regardless of which candidate wins. I think if the Biden loses, the Dems/ Black Lives Matter will concentrate more of their efforts on rioting, looting, and anarchy. The good news is, when Trump wins, he will no longer have to tapdance. He will not screw around and clean up the mess quickly. Hopefully he will flush twice.
Covid isn't going to disappear anytime soon, if at all.
Covid will hang around and still be out there, it will just no longer dominate most every single minute every day of the news cycle. The MSM will probably move on to the next round of impeachment hearings.

Covid is going to have to share the spotlight with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Its usefulness will have expired.
Along with expiration of a lot of people. It's on track to replace caner with the highest death count. We don't ignore any of the diseases you listed above. Trump should not be ingoring this one.
There is not any one of us getting out of here alive. I promise.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
 
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