Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

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They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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Reverend said:

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Of course. That would only be fair.

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

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They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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And she's no more susceptible to injury than any other kicker.

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

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They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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And she's no more susceptible to injury than any other kicker.

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That is incorrect. Girls are 1.5 to 2.0 times likely than boys to suffer injury to their ACL. And more concerning are (a) they do not have the back and neck strength their male counterparts have which will make soft tissue injuries more likely and more severe when violent contact occurs and (b) we do not have much in the way of concussion data from women who play against men in combat sports.

Here is some of what we do know. Women are at greater risk for sports-related concussions:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200131-why-women-are-more-at-risk-from-concussion

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/among-college-athletes-concussion-risk-may-be-higher-women

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What was with the pooch kick? Is that as far as she can kick it? Was it to ensure that she didn't have to take part in a tackle? If the answer to either of those questions is "yes", then a woman still has not played in a power five game.

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That is about how she was kicking in pre-game. I think she had only a couple days to learn how to kick a football. Apparently, it is different than kicking a soccer ball.

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This is accurate
Kicking a soccer ball vs a football is different

Her participation was only groundbreaking from a gender perspective
Her technic and ability to kick a football (for a female) was not
She had little knowledge of what she was doing
Watching her in pre game film and the KO showed she currently has little talent
There is no way that Vanderbilt doesn't have better options in the student population
Baylor has 4 kickers on the roster and 3 are walkons and 1 was already a student and came from the general student population

I have seen several girls/women kick over the years and do much better than her, typical range 35-40 yards

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Thee University said:

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If she wants to impress the nation let her kick it deep and then cover the kickoff like a normal kicker. Ask her to make a tackle if the returner breaks through.

Better yet, let her take a hit like the one Ronnie "Bo" Lee put on Arkansas kicker Steve Little back in 1975 or 1976.

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curtpenn said:

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Thee University said:

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If she wants to impress the nation let her kick it deep and then cover the kickoff like a normal kicker. Ask her to make a tackle if the returner breaks through.

Better yet, let her take a hit like the one Ronnie "Bo" Lee put on Arkansas kicker Steve Little back in 1975 or 1976.

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Was there that day for Bo's decleater. Ouch.

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

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They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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BU79 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BU79 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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DS Bear said:

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What was with the pooch kick? Is that as far as she can kick it? Was it to ensure that she didn't have to take part in a tackle? If the answer to either of those questions is "yes", then a woman still has not played in a power five game.

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That is about how she was kicking in pre-game. I think she had only a couple days to learn how to kick a football. Apparently, it is different than kicking a soccer ball.

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This is accurate
Kicking a soccer ball vs a football is different

Her participation was only groundbreaking from a gender perspective
Her technic and ability to kick a football (for a female) was not
She had little knowledge of what she was doing
Watching her in pre game film and the KO showed she currently has little talent
There is no way that Vanderbilt doesn't have better options in the student population
Baylor has 4 kickers on the roster and 3 are walkons and 1 was already a student and came from the general student population

I have seen several girls/women kick over the years and do much better than her, typical range 35-40 yards

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It was reported that she had made field goals out to 38 yards. I didn't see her warm up or kick, so I can't confirm that. But I'm not going to judge her ability based on one squib kick that largely accomplished the goal it was designed to.

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So like I said
At 38 yards she is no different than the other girls/women I have seen kick
And at a regional kicking camp of 200 high school juniors and seniors at that range she would rank last
Your average college is full of former HS football players including kickers
Which means as I said
There are many boys/men on the Vanderbilt campus that were former HS kickers and or soccer players that would easily out kick her

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Jack Bauer said:

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Equality!! You gotta be kidding me...

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

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They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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I hope that you had this same energy when Blankenship played college ball. Similar frame to Fuller. He managed to play all four years without suffering a catastrophic injury like you're predicting--and now he's playing on Sundays. I'm sure we can look back in your posts and find the same protective sentiment being shared.

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Blankenship is a male with male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. He is not as vulnerable to injury as a female because of his male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. For people, especially younger people, in the current age to assert they are about the science and following the science. Many of them are among the most scientifically ignorant and scientifically illiterate people on the planet. What we are talking about used to be common sense.

Today, I have to link to studies and articles about studies saying that women are more prone to injury than men when subject to similar physical stresses. And even then, people refuse to believe it.

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Bears2Canes said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Bears2Canes said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

---

They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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I hope that you had this same energy when Blankenship played college ball. Similar frame to Fuller. He managed to play all four years without suffering a catastrophic injury like you're predicting--and now he's playing on Sundays. I'm sure we can look back in your posts and find the same protective sentiment being shared.

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Blankenship is a male with male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. He is not as vulnerable to injury as a female because of his male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. For people, especially younger people, in the current age to assert they are about the science and following the science. Many of them are among the most scientifically ignorant and scientifically illiterate people on the planet. What we are talking about used to be common sense.

Today, I have to link to studies and articles about studies saying that women are more prone to injury than men when subject to similar physical stresses. And even then, people refuse to believe it.

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Football is bad for just about everyone who plays it. The lingering and longstanding consequences of playing the sport at this level are fairly known at this point. Under the safety standards you've expressed here, no one should play football. If you want to argue whether it was a PC stunt, fine. But don't pretend you really care about the safety of willing participants in an inherently violent sport. If she wants to play and put herself at risk, just as her male teammates have chosen, then she should be able to. Nobody appointed you gatekeeper of who is allowed to play football.

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Bears2Canes said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Bears2Canes said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

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They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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I hope that you had this same energy when Blankenship played college ball. Similar frame to Fuller. He managed to play all four years without suffering a catastrophic injury like you're predicting--and now he's playing on Sundays. I'm sure we can look back in your posts and find the same protective sentiment being shared.

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Blankenship is a male with male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. He is not as vulnerable to injury as a female because of his male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. For people, especially younger people, in the current age to assert they are about the science and following the science. Many of them are among the most scientifically ignorant and scientifically illiterate people on the planet. What we are talking about used to be common sense.

Today, I have to link to studies and articles about studies saying that women are more prone to injury than men when subject to similar physical stresses. And even then, people refuse to believe it.

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Football is bad for just about everyone who plays it. The lingering and longstanding consequences of playing the sport at this level are fairly known at this point. Under the safety standards you've expressed here, no one should play football. If you want to argue whether it was a PC stunt, fine. But don't pretend you really care about the safety of willing participants in an inherently violent sport. If she wants to play and put herself at risk, just as her male teammates have chosen, then she should be able to. Nobody appointed you gatekeeper of who is allowed to play football.

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bear2be2 said:

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Bears2Canes said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Bears2Canes said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ilbb990912 said:

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The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?

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He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.

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How many times did she punt?

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She wasn't brought in to punt. Their punter was available. You do realize that punters and place-kickers have completely different roles, correct?

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If you think real hard, you will understand there is a huge difference in power between the players in UIL 2A and NCAA and that a college punter, any college punter, would have kicked the ball better than she.

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If you think real hard, you might see the irony in someone who champions freedom and liberty telling others what they should and should not be doing, you know, for their own good.

---

They have every right to put a girl out there. They also have the right reap the consequences when a girl is severely injured playing a combat sport against a bunch a elite male athletes.

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She's not a girl. She's a woman. And beyond that, she's an elite college level athlete. She doesn't need some middle-aged man who couldn't make an extra point at his local middle school to tell her what she should or should not be doing.

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She is a girl. Who would suffer severe injury if the opposing players hit her like they would hit any other player. Your pretense doesn't change that. Now, hold your breath and stop your feet and tell us all that Class AA ball is analogous to NCAA Div. 1 ball.

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I hope that you had this same energy when Blankenship played college ball. Similar frame to Fuller. He managed to play all four years without suffering a catastrophic injury like you're predicting--and now he's playing on Sundays. I'm sure we can look back in your posts and find the same protective sentiment being shared.

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Blankenship is a male with male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. He is not as vulnerable to injury as a female because of his male muscles, bone structure, and physiology. For people, especially younger people, in the current age to assert they are about the science and following the science. Many of them are among the most scientifically ignorant and scientifically illiterate people on the planet. What we are talking about used to be common sense.

Today, I have to link to studies and articles about studies saying that women are more prone to injury than men when subject to similar physical stresses. And even then, people refuse to believe it.

---

Football is bad for just about everyone who plays it. The lingering and longstanding consequences of playing the sport at this level are fairly known at this point. Under the safety standards you've expressed here, no one should play football. If you want to argue whether it was a PC stunt, fine. But don't pretend you really care about the safety of willing participants in an inherently violent sport. If she wants to play and put herself at risk, just as her male teammates have chosen, then she should be able to. Nobody appointed you gatekeeper of who is allowed to play football.

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And we're not talking about starting a 5-8 woman at middle linebacker. She's playing kicker, a position that is unlikely to require any contact at all in the majority of games.

And on the rare occasions it does, almost none of her male counterparts are any better equipped to take that type of hit than is the 6-2 and athletically built Fuller.

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Thee University said:

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If she wants to impress the nation let her kick it deep and then cover the kickoff like a normal kicker. Ask her to make a tackle if the returner breaks through.

Better yet, let her take a hit like the one Ronnie "Bo" Lee put on Arkansas kicker Steve Little back in 1975 or 1976.

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bear2be2 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Like I said, good for her and a positive story. Some of y'all seem to get mad at the weirdest things.

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These are the same people that think white men and American Christians are being persecuted. They have a complex.

More access to opportunity is always a good thing and should always be celebrated. There's nothing to be threatened by here, fellas.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Thee University said:

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If she wants to impress the nation let her kick it deep and then cover the kickoff like a normal kicker. Ask her to make a tackle if the returner breaks through.

Better yet, let her take a hit like the one Ronnie "Bo" Lee put on Arkansas kicker Steve Little back in 1975 or 1976.

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Did you know?

From Wiki...

Hours after his release by the Cardinals, Little was involved in a high-speed which broke his neck and left him a paraplegic. Little died in 1999 at age 43, having spent years as a quadriplegic in hospice in Little Rock, Arkansas where he lived with and was cared for by his brother Gene Little. Little is on the All-Century team at Arkansas, and is also listed as #11 on the list of greatest Arkansas football players of all time.

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PartyBear said:

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I suspect most of these comments are from never had kids and never married types. BTW can ya'll take your pig (and I dont mean Arkansas football) talk to Parler where it cant be associated with a great uniiversity.

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PartyBear said:

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I suspect most of these comments are from never had kids and never married types. BTW can ya'll take your pig (and I dont mean Arkansas football) talk to Parler where it cant be associated with a great uniiversity.

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