whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The "the states don't have authority" argument is wrong.

The Constitution of the United States establishes the powers of the Federal Government.

The 10th Amendment of that Constitution establishes that powers not granted to the Federal Government belong to the States.

There is no clause in the US Constitution which specifically states that states may not leave the union. Ergo, the decision defaults to the states.

Now there is law which says states may not secede, and the US courts have ruled that secession is not allowed, but courts have made wrong decisions before and not a few times, and the US courts have no interest in supporting a state which means to leave the union. Thus, the matter is not settled in terms of constitutionality.

Now with that said, I believe there is no state in the Union which gains from leaving the US, but we are discussing whether it can be done, not whether it would be wise to do so.

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Which state has authority to change federal law?

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Pretty much any.


Who'd be dumb enough to try? Remains to be seen.

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Only congress or the federal courts can change federal law. States can pass laws in conflict with federal law or the constitution.

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Maybe you can go back and read my post about the 10th Amendment, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over again.

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Maybe you should actually read the 10th Amendment. There is nothing there that gives a state the authority to change a federal law or the Constitution. If what you believe were true, there would be no need for federal courts. Each state would be on its own.

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Once again you have it backwards. There is no specific prohibition in the Constitution to prohibit secession, which makes it a state decision. You can point to law against secession, but that was addressed in that prior post.

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That's been a matter of debate, at least as far back as early 19th century. Appomattox ended the question. If you want to break up the Union, call a constitutional convention, or pass an amendment, or win a revolution.

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Fathom the irony of a progressive making an argument premised on a literal/limited interpretation of the Constitution.

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What is your definition of a progressive?

EVENTS SCHEDULED SO FAR FOR THE UPCOMING WEEK (WILL UPDATE AS MORE ARE ANNOUNCED)

TUESDAY (4/27)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 7)
8AM-9AM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

HOUSTON - TNM DISTRICT ACTION DAY
9AM-12PM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

WEDNESDAY (4/28)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 17)
8AM-9:30AM
10821 S. Post Oak Rd. - Annie's Hamburgers

WACO - GUEST SPEAKER (TNM PRESIDENT DANIEL MILLER)
6PM-8:30PM
1623 N. Valley Mills Dr. - Abuelita's Mexican Restaurant

THURSDAY (4/29)
DECATUR - GUEST SPEAKER (TNM PRESIDENT DANIEL MILLER)
7PM-9PM
933 CR-4010 - The Big White Barn

SATURDAY (5/1)
CANTON - TNM INFORMATION BOOTH
9AM-5PM
1st Monday Trade Days

CORSICANA - TNM FLAG WAVE
11AM-2PM
1977 W. 7th Ave. - Harbor Freight

CORSICANA - TNM INFORMATION TABLE
9AM-5PM
4021 W. Hwy 22 - Expo Center (Corsicana Gun Show)

DESOTO - TNM FLAG WAVE
12PM-2PM
901 N. Polk St. - Disciple Central Community Church

HOUSTON - TNM INFORMATION TABLE
9AM-4PM
1435 Beall St. - SPJST Lodge

WACO - TNM FLAG WAVE
11AM-2PM
539 N. Valley Mills Dr. - Corner of Valley Mills Dr. & Waco Dr.

SUNDAY (5/2)
CANTON - TNM INFORMATION BOOTH
9AM-5PM
1st Monday Trade Days

CORSICANA - TNM INFORMATION BOOTH
10AM-4PM
4021 W. Hwy 22 - Expo Center (Corsicana Gun Show)

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EVENTS SCHEDULED SO FAR FOR THE UPCOMING WEEK (WILL UPDATE AS MORE ARE ANNOUNCED)

TUESDAY (4/27)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 7)
8AM-9AM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

HOUSTON - TNM DISTRICT ACTION DAY
9AM-12PM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

WEDNESDAY (4/28)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 17)
8AM-9:30AM
10821 S. Post Oak Rd. - Annie's Hamburgers

WACO - GUEST SPEAKER (TNM PRESIDENT DANIEL MILLER)
6PM-8:30PM
1623 N. Valley Mills Dr. - Abuelita's Mexican Restaurant

THURSDAY (4/29)
DECATUR - GUEST SPEAKER (TNM PRESIDENT DANIEL MILLER)
7PM-9PM
933 CR-4010 - The Big White Barn

SATURDAY (5/1)
CANTON - TNM INFORMATION BOOTH
9AM-5PM
1st Monday Trade Days

CORSICANA - TNM FLAG WAVE
11AM-2PM
1977 W. 7th Ave. - Harbor Freight

DESOTO - TNM FLAG WAVE
12PM-2PM
901 N. Polk St. - Disciple Central Community Church

SUNDAY (5/2)
CANTON - TNM INFORMATION BOOTH
9AM-5PM
1st Monday Trade Days

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HB 1359 - dead in the water.

'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more!
He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you
hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run
down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-BILL.

Beautiful plumage, though.

EVENTS SCHEDULED SO FAR FOR THE UPCOMING WEEK (WILL UPDATE AS MORE ARE ANNOUNCED)

TUESDAY (5/4)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 7)
8AM-9AM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

WEDNESDAY (5/5)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 17)
8AM-9:30AM
10821 S. Post Oak Rd. - Annie's Hamburgers

THURSDAY (5/6)
BURLESON - TNM MEET UP
6PM-8:30PM
12369 S. Freeway - Rudy's BBQ

SATURDAY (5/8)
CLIFTON - TNM MEET UP
6PM-8PM
621 W. 5th St. - Chicken Express Meeting Room

DESOTO - TNM FLAG WAVE
12PM-2:30PM
901 N. Polk St. - Disciple Central Community Church

SAN ANTONIO - ALAMO MEMORIAL MARCH
6:30PM-7:30PM
300 Alamo Plaza - The Alamo

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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https://kylebiedermann.com/representative-biedermann-files-the-texas-independence-referendum-act/

Today, Representative Kyle Biedermann (R- Fredericksburg) filed House Bill 1359, also known as the Texas Independence Referendum Act, which would allow the citizens of Texas to vote on whether the Texas Legislature should create a joint interim committee to develop a plan for achieving Texas independence.

This is not a resolution to allow for immediate independence. This legislation will give power directly to the people via referendum and allow Texans the right to discuss, debate and vote on creating a path toward Texas Independence. Regardless of an individual Legislator's personal opinion on Texas Independence, we ask all Representatives and Senators to Let Texans Vote!

Rep. Biedermann said, "This Act simply Lets Texans Vote. This decision is too big to be monopolized solely by the power brokers in our Capitol. We need to let Texans' voices be heard! Voters of all political persuasions in Texas can agree on one thing, Washington D.C. is and has been broken. Our federal government continuously fails our working families, seniors, taxpayers, veterans and small business owners. For decades, the promises of America and our individual liberties have been eroding. It is now time that the People of Texas are allowed the right to decide their own future. This is not a left or right political issue. Let Texans Vote!"

Our Texas Constitution duly agrees in Article 1; Sec. 2 which states:
"All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."

Thousands of people a year move to Texas to escape the climate of over regulation and taxation. Texas is seen as the bastion of freedom and a leader of free enterprise, which has built a robust economy, financial solvency, and capacity for massive energy production worthy of the world stage. These are all indications that the Republic of Texas would not just survive, but thrive as an independent nation. Now is the time for Texas to lead.

You can sign the petition here: https://kylebiedermann.com/texit-petition

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Texas legislators must not have much to do, spending so much time on a dead-end action.

Maybe they out to focus more on things like keeping the power on so people won't freeze to death!

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It's a sad State Affairs for the bill's six coauthors.

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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How many House votes does that represent?

whiterock said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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EVENTS SCHEDULED SO FAR FOR THE UPCOMING WEEK (WILL UPDATE AS MORE ARE ANNOUNCED)

TUESDAY (5/4)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 7)
8AM-9AM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

WEDNESDAY (5/5)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 17)
8AM-9:30AM
10821 S. Post Oak Rd. - Annie's Hamburgers

THURSDAY (5/6)
BURLESON - TNM MEET UP
6PM-8:30PM
12369 S. Freeway - Rudy's BBQ

SATURDAY (5/8)
CLIFTON - TNM MEET UP
6PM-8PM
621 W. 5th St. - Chicken Express Meeting Room

DESOTO - TNM FLAG WAVE
12PM-2:30PM
901 N. Polk St. - Disciple Central Community Church

SAN ANTONIO - ALAMO MEMORIAL MARCH
6:30PM-7:30PM
300 Alamo Plaza - The Alamo

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The event I'm not seeing is "voice vote on the House floor". Until then everything else might as well be an ice cream social.

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By that same measure, why do lawyers charge so dang much for two scoops if the only thing that matters is the jury's vote, sprinkles?

HB1359 isn't scheduled for a hearing

DEAD

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HB1359 isn't scheduled for a hearing

DEAD

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Fear the Undead Legislation

whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being oppressed in one of the most powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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Poll results are about phrasing the question. I suspect a large portion of the respondents are expressing distaste and not rebellion.

And the divisions in the country are not limited to WDC. Oak Cliff and Highland Park are separated by a lot more than five miles.

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

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Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

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Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

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How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

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Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

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How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

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That is the way 99.5% of the human race has lived their lives for thousand of years.

But I guess you and your friends are really special?

Man up dude.

Edit: why did you delete the part about how your life is so hard?

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Texasjeremy said:

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EVENTS SCHEDULED SO FAR FOR THE UPCOMING WEEK (WILL UPDATE AS MORE ARE ANNOUNCED)

TUESDAY (5/4)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 7)
8AM-9AM
19730 TX-249 - Minuti Coffee

WEDNESDAY (5/5)
HOUSTON - PLANNING MEETING (DISTRICT 17)
8AM-9:30AM
10821 S. Post Oak Rd. - Annie's Hamburgers

THURSDAY (5/6)
BURLESON - TNM MEET UP
6PM-8:30PM
12369 S. Freeway - Rudy's BBQ

SATURDAY (5/8)
CLIFTON - TNM MEET UP
6PM-8PM
621 W. 5th St. - Chicken Express Meeting Room

DESOTO - TNM FLAG WAVE
12PM-2:30PM
901 N. Polk St. - Disciple Central Community Church

SAN ANTONIO - ALAMO MEMORIAL MARCH
6:30PM-7:30PM
300 Alamo Plaza - The Alamo

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The event I'm not seeing is "voice vote on the House floor". Until then everything else might as well be an ice cream social.

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By that same measure, why do lawyers charge so dang much for two scoops if the only thing that matters is the jury's vote, sprinkles?

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The sprinkles rest on the scoups.

whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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You took government class too literally. Lobbyists write most of our laws and many get passed without groundswell support. How big is that 39% when it comes to putting your life on the line for Texit?

Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

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Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

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How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

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That is the way 99.5% of the human race has lived their lives for thousand of years.

But I guess you and your friends are really special?

Man up dude.

Edit: why did you delete the part about how your life is so hard?

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I see, your generation get's to pay off their nice suburban houses with higher buying power and mine gets to live in apartments and trailer parks even though we work harder jobs and longer hours. I guess we just need to man up.

If anyone has a silver spoon, it's you boomers.

whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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Good post. Given the stigma of supporting secession, you can bet the sympathetic #s are higher than it polls.

It would be interesting to dig deeper and get the reasons that so many people are in theory sympathetic to secession. I am willing to bet that most of those people would not tell you they are "oppressed" or that their lives are bad, Booray's strawman notwithstanding. I imagine there would be a variety of reasons, and I would guess a lot of them would be some version of no longer having shared values with or faith in our governing institutions and systems.

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

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What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

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Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

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Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

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How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

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That is the way 99.5% of the human race has lived their lives for thousand of years.

But I guess you and your friends are really special?

Man up dude.

Edit: why did you delete the part about how your life is so hard?

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I see, your generation get's to pay off their nice suburban houses with higher buying power and mine gets to live in apartments and trailer parks even though we work harder jobs and longer hours. I guess we just need to man up.

If anyone has a silver spoon, it's you boomers.

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I got ripped off by not being born in the 1800s when market gunners could get ducks by the thousands.

I got ripped off by not being born in the early 1900s when large tarpon were common on the Texas coast.

I got ripped off by not being a teen in the 50s a getting to enjoy the music of that era.

Boo-friggin-hoo

Nut up

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

---

What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

---

Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

---

Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

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How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

---

That is the way 99.5% of the human race has lived their lives for thousand of years.

But I guess you and your friends are really special?

Man up dude.

Edit: why did you delete the part about how your life is so hard?

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I see, your generation get's to pay off their nice suburban houses with higher buying power and mine gets to live in apartments and trailer parks even though we work harder jobs and longer hours. I guess we just need to man up.

If anyone has a silver spoon, it's you boomers.

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Okay, I'm going need to stick up for the boomers (although I'm not one - I'm Gen X). I will say that your typical boomer doesn't spend their money like a drunken sailor, much like millennials do.

My father-in-law who is a boomer and only has a high school education worked at the same job for over 30 years. He saved every nickel he could, spend what he didn't need to and invested wisely even when he couldn't really afford it. He put his three daughters through college with no loans and he was able to retire at the age of 55. - a dozen years ago. He still never spends money although he's sitting a mountain of cash.

When he needed to replace his 15 year old truck, he splurged and bought a brand new one (he always bought used). He did however, buy the cheapest model they had.

I look up to him greatly.

What generation keeps Uber Eats rolling? Boo-friggin-hoo

Rawhide said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

---

What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

---

Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

---

Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

---

How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

---

That is the way 99.5% of the human race has lived their lives for thousand of years.

But I guess you and your friends are really special?

Man up dude.

Edit: why did you delete the part about how your life is so hard?

---

I see, your generation get's to pay off their nice suburban houses with higher buying power and mine gets to live in apartments and trailer parks even though we work harder jobs and longer hours. I guess we just need to man up.

If anyone has a silver spoon, it's you boomers.

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Okay, I'm going need to stick up for the boomers (although I'm not one - I'm Gen X). I will say that your typical boomer doesn't spend their money like a drunken sailor, much like millennials do.

My father-in-law who is a boomer and only has a high school education worked at the same job for over 30 years. He saved every nickel he could, spend what he didn't need to and invested wisely even when he couldn't really afford it. He put his three daughters through college with no loans and he was able to retire at the age of 55. - a dozen years ago. He still never spends money although he's sitting a mountain of cash.

When he needed to replace his 15 year old truck, he splurged and bought a brand new one (he always bought used). He did however, buy the cheapest model they had.

I look up to him greatly.

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As a generation, Boomers are the beneficiaries of the largest intergenerational transfer of of wealth in human history

Osodecentx said:

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Rawhide said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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TexasScientist and squash's posts don't show up for me, but they seem to be very interested in the Texit movement. TNM registered supporters went over the 412k mark today.

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That would be 1.4% of the population, if they all live in Texas. I'd say you're on to something.

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and it would be 3.7% of the people who voted in 2020.

what we can know for certainty is that the number who've signed up for TNM is also a very small fraction of those who actually support secession, on one sense or the other. A number of polls going back a decade has the pro-secession number in the 30's. One I recall actually had support at 39%. Basically 2 out of 5 Texans ready to bolt. So there's considerable upside to the organizing TNM is doing.

Rather than celebrate very low numbers, you should worry that 7-digits worth of Texans support secession. That is not like a 51-49 win for a House seat. It's a sign that important pieces of social contract are failing. When you have people supporting secession simply as a protest over disaffection with government, statesmen should sit up and take notice, and change the way they're doing things. But this lot running WDC isn't going to step back an inch. They are doubling down on the division. It's their business model.

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Maybe, but you would think if the idea were that strong among Texans, there would be enough support in the legislature to get it out of the State Affairs Committee. Indications are the Texit ferver isn't very broad and is very shallow.

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ah, my friend, you forget government class. This is a republic. Laws are supposed to be hard to pass, to ensure that we get laws with large majorities that endure over longer periods of time, rather than swinging to & fro with every election. Things with only 39% public support are supposed to die in committee. Even things with only 50% public support should die in committee.

and when something like secession starts hitting 39% public support, alarm bells should be going off that more than a few things are out of whack. Properly functioning social contract does not have 40% of the population wanting to walk from the entire endeavor.

---

What is out of whack is that 39% of people feel like they are being impressed in one of the powerful states in the freest, richest country to ever exist.

---

Have you considered that on their end all they hear is how much of a problem their prosperity and privilege is?

Maybe they want to get out before the state makes them give up their hard earned privilege.

---

Since I have the same prosperity and privilege, yes. The white grievance culture is such a joke. Biggest bunch of whiners the world has ever seen.

---

How very woke of you to arrive at white grievance culture.

Your response proves my point: you brush off concerns of those you deem unworthy.

---

That is the way 99.5% of the human race has lived their lives for thousand of years.

But I guess you and your friends are really special?

Man up dude.

Edit: why did you delete the part about how your life is so hard?

---

I see, your generation get's to pay off their nice suburban houses with higher buying power and mine gets to live in apartments and trailer parks even though we work harder jobs and longer hours. I guess we just need to man up.

If anyone has a silver spoon, it's you boomers.

---

Okay, I'm going need to stick up for the boomers (although I'm not one - I'm Gen X). I will say that your typical boomer doesn't spend their money like a drunken sailor, much like millennials do.

My father-in-law who is a boomer and only has a high school education worked at the same job for over 30 years. He saved every nickel he could, spend what he didn't need to and invested wisely even when he couldn't really afford it. He put his three daughters through college with no loans and he was able to retire at the age of 55. - a dozen years ago. He still never spends money although he's sitting a mountain of cash.

When he needed to replace his 15 year old truck, he splurged and bought a brand new one (he always bought used). He did however, buy the cheapest model they had.

I look up to him greatly.

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As a generation, Boomers are the beneficiaries of the largest intergenerational transfer of of wealth in human history

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Not all/