Me? Guilty of third degree murder.

Friend who is former officer said at the time it was murder, and he should know what's appropriate and what's not for a cop.

Guilty, manslaughter or 3rd degree murder.

Although 2nd degree is not out of the question.

He had a total disregard for the mans life.

3rd degree murder

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the evidence or even the jury thinks, really. There's enough promised violence and tacit guarantees that a juror who doesn't vote guilty will be destroyed, that the verdict was likely guilty before the trial ever began.

Canon said:

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Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the evidence or even the jury thinks, really. There's enough promised violence and tacit guarantees that a juror who doesn't vote guilty will be destroyed, that the verdict was likely guilty before the trial ever began.

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100% true ......though most people would loathe to admit it .

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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3rd degree murder

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You and I agree. Not premeditated. Not a crime of passion. Chauvin ****ed up. Much worse than manslaughter. Hope he gets no less than 30 years.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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3rd degree murder

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You and I agree. Not premeditated. Not a crime of passion. Chauvin ****ed up. Much worse than manslaughter. Hope he gets no less than 30 years.

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If it was excited delirium, as has been indicated by some, rather than asphyxiation by Chauvin, as the prosecution alleges, it wasn't murder or manslaughter. Also, if it was brought on by drug use, (fentanyl and methamphetamine use can cause hypoxia or asphyxiation), then it also wasn't murder or manslaughter.

None of this indicates Chauvin was right in keeping his knee or Floyd for 8 minutes That was unnecessary and certainly police brutality, given the surcease of struggle from Floyd. I'm not sure police brutality in this particular manner is worth 30 years, if evidence indicates he wasn't the cause of Floyd's death.

All that said, it won't matter, as the conviction is all but certain based on the promise of violence if it isn't achieved. If it is guilty, however, it looks like there may be ample justification for an appeal, given the city settling the civil suit and failure to move the trial to a location that is less politicized. This isn't going away any time soon and justice has replaced her blindfold with X-ray specs.

Not enough information to say.

Sam Lowry said:

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Not enough information to say.

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The other 2 officers standing by are not guilty IMO, and they'll be tried later. But Chauvin is going to jail for at least one of those counts. And deservedly so.

I'm glad these witnesses on the stand are on video for the world to see everyday. The police officers on the stand are damning enough testimony. Shaking my head in disbelief if anyone disagrees.

He's guilty of murder. No doubt in my mind.

I think once the defense shows the video from other angles they won't be able to convict for murder. Other photo angles show Chauvin's knee on Floyds shoulder plus the fact he had 3x lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.

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Does anybody think Floyd would be alive today if Chauvin hadn't kept the knee to his neck until he lost consciousness and then kept it there?

2 autopsy reports said the neck compression caused his death.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/30/facebook-posts/no-autopsy-doesnt-say-george-floyd-died-overdose/

• Two autopsy reports said the manner of George Floyd's death was a homicide. Neither said the cause of his death was a fentanyl overdose.
• The Hennepin County medical examiner found fentanyl in Floyd's system, but the autopsy said the cause of his death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law-enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression."
• Experts told the Washington Post they did not believe Floyd died from the fentanyl.

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Pretty close to 100% sure Floyd would be with us today, had Chauvin not done what he did. He was on a power trip for sure. Minutes after he passed out/was gone he was still kneeling.

George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

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George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

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I am not certain that the "But-For" test is often applied in murder trials.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/but-for_test


Regardless, the reasonable doubt requirement is biased toward innocence, not guilt. If you did what you describe, as a juror, you would not be rendering justice.

Canon said:

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BUMBA1 said:

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George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

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I am not certain that the "But-For" test is often applied in murder trials.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/but-for_test


Regardless, the reasonable doubt requirement is biased toward innocence, not guilt. If you did what you describe, as a juror, you would not be rendering justice.

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Correct. I've served on the jury in a Murder trial. It's interesting to comment on a trial, but it's a different situation when you're in the jury box.

Jack and DP said:

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Canon said:

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BUMBA1 said:

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George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

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I am not certain that the "But-For" test is often applied in murder trials.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/but-for_test


Regardless, the reasonable doubt requirement is biased toward innocence, not guilt. If you did what you describe, as a juror, you would not be rendering justice.

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Correct. I've served on the jury in a Murder trial. It's interesting to comment on a trial, but it's a different situation when you're in the jury box.

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I agree with this, my brother was on the jury of a murder trial in Dallas. Said it was obvious the guy was guilty, but it is still much more difficult to vote guilty than you would think, knowing you are ending someone's life effectively. He said he did what he had to do, but it is more difficult than it looks. They were looking for any reasonable doubt, and it just wasn't there.

there's no need to be on a guy for 8 minutes when there's no resisting taking place, there's 4 other cops there. Throw him in a vehicle and this wouldn't be a story.

BylrFan said:

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there's no need to be on a guy for 8 minutes when there's no resisting taking place, there's 4 other cops there. Throw him in a vehicle and this wouldn't be a story.

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I believe he had already been in the back of a police cruiser and was freaking out.

BUMBA1 said:

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George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

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With all due respect, then, you definitely should not be on that jury.

BylrFan said:

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there's no need to be on a guy for 8 minutes when there's no resisting taking place, there's 4 other cops there. Throw him in a vehicle and this wouldn't be a story.

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Agree,

But apparently they were waiting on an ambulance to arrive.

They had tried to keep him in the police car already.

The ambulance was delayed...had it been there on time we probably would not be having this conversation.

BUMBA1 said:

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George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

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George Floyd might (can't say absolutely due to his long history of flirting with disaster, drug use, prison, violence, running with a bad crowd,etc.) still be here today if:

1. he did not do drugs - lots of lots of lots of drugs
2. he did not try to pass a counterfeit bill
3. he obeyed the police

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Which one of these three carry a death sentence?

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#1 sure can be.

Had one California cousin OD while on drugs, another had a wreck and was killed while high on drugs and another one did so many their brain was pretty much fried after years like that ended up committing suicide.

My Uncle moved out there with their 7 kids and 3 of them ended up dead one way or another primarily because of drug usage. Very sad.