Me? Guilty of third degree murder.
Canon said:
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the evidence or even the jury thinks, really. There's enough promised violence and tacit guarantees that a juror who doesn't vote guilty will be destroyed, that the verdict was likely guilty before the trial ever began.
You and I agree. Not premeditated. Not a crime of passion. Chauvin ****ed up. Much worse than manslaughter. Hope he gets no less than 30 years.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
3rd degree murder
If it was excited delirium, as has been indicated by some, rather than asphyxiation by Chauvin, as the prosecution alleges, it wasn't murder or manslaughter. Also, if it was brought on by drug use, (fentanyl and methamphetamine use can cause hypoxia or asphyxiation), then it also wasn't murder or manslaughter.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You and I agree. Not premeditated. Not a crime of passion. Chauvin ****ed up. Much worse than manslaughter. Hope he gets no less than 30 years.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
3rd degree murder
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You and I agree. Not premeditated. Not a crime of passion. Chauvin ****ed up. Much worse than manslaughter. Hope he gets no less than 30 years.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
3rd degree murder
Sam Lowry said:
Not enough information to say.
Pretty close to 100% sure Floyd would be with us today, had Chauvin not done what he did. He was on a power trip for sure. Minutes after he passed out/was gone he was still kneeling.J.B.Katz said:
Does anybody think Floyd would be alive today if Chauvin hadn't kept the knee to his neck until he lost consciousness and then kept it there?
2 autopsy reports said the neck compression caused his death.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/30/facebook-posts/no-autopsy-doesnt-say-george-floyd-died-overdose/
- Two autopsy reports said the manner of George Floyd's death was a homicide. Neither said the cause of his death was a fentanyl overdose.
- The Hennepin County medical examiner found fentanyl in Floyd's system, but the autopsy said the cause of his death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law-enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression."
- Experts told the Washington Post they did not believe Floyd died from the fentanyl.
I am not certain that the "But-For" test is often applied in murder trials.BUMBA1 said:
George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.
Canon said:I am not certain that the "But-For" test is often applied in murder trials.BUMBA1 said:
George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/but-for_test
Regardless, the reasonable doubt requirement is biased toward innocence, not guilt. If you did what you describe, as a juror, you would not be rendering justice.
I agree with this, my brother was on the jury of a murder trial in Dallas. Said it was obvious the guy was guilty, but it is still much more difficult to vote guilty than you would think, knowing you are ending someone's life effectively. He said he did what he had to do, but it is more difficult than it looks. They were looking for any reasonable doubt, and it just wasn't there.Jack and DP said:Canon said:I am not certain that the "But-For" test is often applied in murder trials.BUMBA1 said:
George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/but-for_test
Regardless, the reasonable doubt requirement is biased toward innocence, not guilt. If you did what you describe, as a juror, you would not be rendering justice.
Correct. I've served on the jury in a Murder trial. It's interesting to comment on a trial, but it's a different situation when you're in the jury box.
BylrFan said:
there's no need to be on a guy for 8 minutes when there's no resisting taking place, there's 4 other cops there. Throw him in a vehicle and this wouldn't be a story.
With all due respect, then, you definitely should not be on that jury.BUMBA1 said:
George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.
Agree,BylrFan said:
there's no need to be on a guy for 8 minutes when there's no resisting taking place, there's 4 other cops there. Throw him in a vehicle and this wouldn't be a story.
George Floyd might (can't say absolutely due to his long history of flirting with disaster, drug use, prison, violence, running with a bad crowd,etc.) still be here today if:BUMBA1 said:
George Floyd would absolutely still be here today if he did not have a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. If I was a juror, the defense would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that Floyd would have died in that scenario without a knee to his neck. That's going to be hard to do. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Which one of these three carry a death sentence?
#1 sure can be.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Which one of these three carry a death sentence?
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Sorry for confusing so many. How about this?
Which one of these 3 carries a death sentence imposed by the state?