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Daveisabovereproach
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2:39p, 12/30/22
Bowman seems most likely at this point. Had a very good freshman season in Coach Bro's final year at Texas tech, then got injured early in Matt Wells first year and transferred to Michigan.

None of these guys are going to come here to be a back up though. It seems like Grimes is captivated with the idea of turning Shapen into the next Zach Wilson, and I think there may be some sunk cost fallacy at play here.
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In reply to PartyBear • 2:57p, 12/30/22
You're right. People don't like boring schemes. They also don't like not making money.
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In reply to Guitarbiscuit • 4:00p, 12/30/22
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You're right. People don't like boring schemes. They also don't like not making money.
There's nothing boring about a dominant power run game. Our issue is that we sacrificed that to go with Shapen and it turned out he wasn't good at the things he was supposed to be. So our running game got worse and our passing game didn't improve.

There's nothing wrong with our scheme. We just need a better trigger man. The staff seems to want Shapen to be that guy and thinks he can be. But as long as he's around, his specter will keep any suitable replacement from committing to us because no quarterback wants to risk sitting and having to enter our re-enter the portal next year or the year after.

The moral of this story is that in the transfer portal era, you have absolutely got to get your quarterback decisions right. If you don't, you can set your program back years.

When we chose Shapen over Gerry last spring, that was a multi-year decision. It looks like a flop so far, but we're basically committed to it at this point. We need Shapen to get better or get out of the way. But as long as he's here, it's going to be difficult to attract a replacement worth his salt.
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4:02p, 12/30/22
Tanner Mordecai has entered the portal.
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In reply to KIA • 4:27p, 12/30/22
KIA said:
Tanner Mordecai has entered the portal.

Tanner Mordecai announced on Friday that he is transferring to Wisconsin
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In reply to KIA • 4:33p, 12/30/22
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Tanner Mordecai has entered the portal.

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In reply to Bigkahunaww • 4:55p, 12/30/22
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KIA said:
Tanner Mordecai has entered the portal.

Somewhat tiring to hear these accolades pronounced about the place they are leaving. If it was so great, why leave (that is a rhetorical question)? We know why.

I'm not sure how any coach of a non blueblood can have any confidence in what roster he is going to have one or two years down the road, and make plans accordingly without those plans being nothing more than a crapshoot. Seems like you would be walking on pins and needles to make sure you keep people happy enough to stay.....and that is impossible to do with 85+ egos in the locker room.

For the fans, it is even worse. We have no control over any of it and no ability to affect it. Hard to get excited even with a good season because you have no way to have confidence that the people you supported this year will be around for the next. Heck, we may have more stability with coaches staying around than players staying around. We used to just concern ourselves with whether or not a really good player would turn pro. Now, they just up and leave. Something has got to break.

And you know that tampering is going on. The people that get hurt are the ones that stick to the rules. A couple of weeks ago on Smoak's show he asked Mack about tampering and whether or not that would be tolerated at Baylor. Mack's answer was that the coach would be fired if he participated in such tactics, which is the way it should be. But it is not the way it is, and those that follow the rules suffer for it by only having the scraps left from which to recruit.
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In reply to atomicblast • 5:06p, 12/30/22
That guy would send Shapen to the portal for sure. Blake should really attempt to parlay his baseball career at this point.

But he's going to freeze his buns in Wisconsin…so back to the ol portal…
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5:58p, 12/30/22
Elvis has entered the portal.

No! Wait!

He just left the building.






He has got to be a 6-star!

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In reply to BearlyBeloved • 6:03p, 12/30/22
BearlyBeloved said:
Elvis has entered the portal.

No! Wait!

He just left the building.






He has got to be a 6-star!



You know, if I Can Dream, I have to admit that the idea of landing Grayson McCall is Always On My Mind

Instead, I feel like we will be stuck with Shapen next year, leaving a lot of us on this board with Suspicious Minds
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In reply to BearlyBeloved • 6:04p, 12/30/22
He would definitely win SING every single year.
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6:15p, 12/30/22
I'm starting to become skeptical in the belief that it's just a coincidence that the new look Big 12 legacy teams aren't getting QB transfers as compared to the B1G and SEC. Maybe negative perception of the league relative to those leagues by QBs?
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In reply to Aberzombie1892 • 6:23p, 12/30/22
With new TV deals now dwarfing the other leagues, what else are the boosters going to spend all that money on? Backfill old donation pledges with new TV money, and open up the NIL coffers.

Too bad Baylor doesn't have their own Phil Knight NIL fund.
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In reply to Russell Gym • 6:54p, 12/30/22
Russell Gym said:
With new TV deals now dwarfing the other leagues, what else are the boosters going to spend all that money on? Backfill old donation pledges with new TV money, and open up the NIL coffers.

Too bad Baylor doesn't have their own Phil Knight NIL fund.


It may not necessarily be NIL though. I do think the P2 narrative and the realignment of the Big 12 and PAC12 may have possibly impacted the perception of those leagues to some QBs as NIL couldn't possibly fully account for the lack of QBs transferring from the B1G/SEC/ND to the other 8 leagues. While I haven't performed a scientific analysis, it seems like there are only 1 QB so far to transfer from the SEC, ND or B1G to the other 8 FBS leagues this cycle (Nebraska), but there are plenty of QB transfers between them or from the other 8 leagues to those 2 leagues.

It's fascinating to see. Multiple legacy Big 12 teams have real needs at QB, and it's just crickets.
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In reply to Stefano DiMera • 7:43p, 12/30/22
As long as it's Uncle Rico from 1982, we should be set.
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2:39a, 12/31/22
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10:53a, 12/31/22
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
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In reply to Daveisabovereproach • 12:03p, 12/31/22
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

Exactly
Beyond NIL guys are hoping to get a shot at the League and they are looking for coaches who can help them get there
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12:06p, 12/31/22
Its unacceptable that our coaches are seen as not being able to 'get them there'. We have to address that.
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In reply to Daveisabovereproach • 12:08p, 12/31/22
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:16p, 12/31/22
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:24p, 12/31/22
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.


Bohannon was not a world beater. If he is Shawn bells big claim to fame as a quarterback coach, I'm scared
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12:27p, 12/31/22
Yeah, 7-17 with 40 yards isnt going to attract anyone.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:34p, 12/31/22
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
Sorry, but I disagree.
Bohannon and Shapen had almost exact same completion percentage at 63.

What set Bohannon better was his ability to run.
Gerry Bohannon had 366 yds and 9 tds
Blake had 96 yds and 2 tds.

And it's not just one player, it's Zion, Bohannon, Drones, Shapen.
If he could have developed any of those, we would not be in this mess at QB.
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1:02p, 12/31/22
Bell is only in year 2 at that position is he not? It's not like this is one year out of 5 or 6 that is being singled out. Last year wasn't great either.. The QB situation has declined rather drastically at this point under him.
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In reply to robby44 • 1:08p, 12/31/22
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?
I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.
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In reply to Daveisabovereproach • 1:09p, 12/31/22
No Quarterback said:
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.


Bohannon was not a world beater. If he is Shawn bells big claim to fame as a quarterback coach, I'm scared
Bohanon was never expected to be a world-beater. Most didn't expect him to be a Big 12 caliber starter. It's revisionist history to suggest that he didn't exceed all expectations set for him before the season.
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In reply to Married A Horn • 1:10p, 12/31/22
Married A Horn said:
Yeah, 7-17 with 40 yards isnt going to attract anyone.
It's a good thing a season is a 12-plus game sample and not a one-game sample.
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In reply to Bigkahunaww • 1:12p, 12/31/22
Bigkahunaww said:
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
Sorry, but I disagree.
Bohannon and Shapen had almost exact same completion percentage at 63.

What set Bohannon better was his ability to run.
Gerry Bohannon had 366 yds and 9 tds
Blake had 96 yds and 2 tds.

And it's not just one player, it's Zion, Bohannon, Drones, Shapen.
If he could have developed any of those, we would not be in this mess at QB.
Players develop with playing time. The only quarterbacks we can judge Bell on are Gerry and Blake. One exceeded expectations, the other disappointed.

And Zeno never played for Bell. He transferred before Bell's first season as quarterback coach.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:17p, 12/31/22
bear2be2 said:
Bigkahunaww said:
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
Sorry, but I disagree.
Bohannon and Shapen had almost exact same completion percentage at 63.

What set Bohannon better was his ability to run.
Gerry Bohannon had 366 yds and 9 tds
Blake had 96 yds and 2 tds.

And it's not just one player, it's Zion, Bohannon, Drones, Shapen.
If he could have developed any of those, we would not be in this mess at QB.
Players develop with playing time. The only quarterbacks we can judge Bell on are Gerry and Blake. One exceeded expectations, the other disappointed.

And Zeno never played for Bell. He transferred before Bell's first season as quarterback coach.
So you don't think that if Bell would have developed Bohannon or Drones they would have gotten more playing time?
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In reply to Bigkahunaww • 1:25p, 12/31/22
Bigkahunaww said:
bear2be2 said:
Bigkahunaww said:
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
Sorry, but I disagree.
Bohannon and Shapen had almost exact same completion percentage at 63.

What set Bohannon better was his ability to run.
Gerry Bohannon had 366 yds and 9 tds
Blake had 96 yds and 2 tds.

And it's not just one player, it's Zion, Bohannon, Drones, Shapen.
If he could have developed any of those, we would not be in this mess at QB.
Players develop with playing time. The only quarterbacks we can judge Bell on are Gerry and Blake. One exceeded expectations, the other disappointed.

And Zeno never played for Bell. He transferred before Bell's first season as quarterback coach.
So you don't think that if Bell would have developed Bohannon or Drones they would have gotten more playing time?
I think Grimes chooses his quarterback, and Aranda isn't one to make a change at that position flippantly.

Like all QB coaches, Bell gives the bulk of the reps to the players his two bosses want him to.

Third-string quarterbacks aren't getting a lot of practice reps in any program, so you're not "developing" anyone below your top two. You're hoping they're soaking up information in meetings and getting the mental reps they need to get better on their own.
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1:29p, 12/31/22
Bell is the front line coach for the QBs. Hence the title QB coach. I'm pretty sure he he has substantial input to his bosses on QB matters.
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In reply to PartyBear • 1:31p, 12/31/22
PartyBear said:
Bell is the front line coach for the QBs. Hence the title QB coach. I'm pretty sure he he has substantial input to his bosses on QB matters.
QB coaches don't make personnel decisions. He may have input, but that decision is made at the OC and head coach level.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:44p, 12/31/22
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
He also had an O Line year.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 1:50p, 12/31/22
Mitch Blood Green said:
bear2be2 said:
No Quarterback said:
If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.
Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.
He also had an O Line year.
His O-line was fine, given the personnel. It was vastly superior to the schlock Wickline put on the field the following season.
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