Killing Floor said:
Penn State.
If you want to see how a prominent institution manages an atrocity just look at Penn State.
Let's not talk about Penn State and good sense. They gave a literal pedophile unfettered access to their program for decades and employed a head coach who protected him into his 80s.Chuckroast said:Killing Floor said:
Penn State.
If you want to see how a prominent institution manages an atrocity just look at Penn State.
Yet just a few years later, they hire a coach from Vanderbilt who left Vandy on the heels of a gang rape situation that was all over the news because it was videotaped. Vanderbilt and Penn State had the good sense not to blame the coach for what happened.
bear2be2 said:Let's not talk about Penn State and good sense. They gave a literal pedophile unfettered access to their program for decades and employed a head coach who protected him into his 80s.Chuckroast said:Killing Floor said:
Penn State.
If you want to see how a prominent institution manages an atrocity just look at Penn State.
Yet just a few years later, they hire a coach from Vanderbilt who left Vandy on the heels of a gang rape situation that was all over the news because it was videotaped. Vanderbilt and Penn State had the good sense not to blame the coach for what happened.
BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
An alleged victim could have gone to Briles, or it could have been the BOR planting an untrue story.Married A Horn said:Ghostrider said:no it wasn't his job. He advised anyone to go to the authorities. He is a football coach, not the police.cms186 said:it was not Briles job to play Judge and Jury, it was his job to pass any reportsd of abuse top the relevent authorities, which he rarely didScottS said:jikespingleton said:ScottS said:cms186 said:it was institutional, Baylor as a University was rotten, Briles was just a part of that, he wasnt the sole architect of it, it wasnt just the Football team, but the Football team and Briles were a significant part of it.FLBear5630 said:cms186 said:
Seriously disgusting that after everything we, as a fanbase, have been through because of Briles, some people would still welcome him back with open arms because they think it might win us a few more games of Football
Briles didnt care about what his players were doing, he had a duty of care that he just completely disregarded, but lets set aside his repugnant morals and his lip service to Christianity (some of you have done that anyway) and look at it from a purely Football point of view:
His Offence might have been cutting edge at the time, but Football has moved on and lets not forget, whilst his brand of Football was certainly exciting, in arguably the 2 biggest games of his tenure (the Cotton Bowl and the Fiesta Bowl) Briles chunked it through bad preparation and game management. Briles has been out of College Football for nearly 10 years and will be severely out of touch with the game, many coaching staff he might want to hire wont want to work with him and many players he might want to recruit wont want to come play for him because of his richly deserved reputation of being a morally bankrupt *******.
So yeah, stfu about Briles coming back here because even the most ardent Briles fanboi knows with 100% certainty that it will NEVER, EVER happen and nor should it. Utterly disgusted that fans of a supposedly Christian school would even contemplate wanting someone as morally bankrupt as him ever associated with the University again.
What exactly is truth and what is scapegoat? I need someone that was here to fill me in. From the outside it looked like it was an institutional issue, not just football. I really do not have a good enough grasp to pass judgement.
There was 1 conviction. That's it. And the person with the conviction wasn't named Briles. You like you act like Briles raped 100 women.
We had 3 players formally accused of rape:
- There was 1 rape conviction (That scumbag Elliot).
- 1 sexual assault conviction (Ukwuachu).
- A third player, Oakman was accused of rape but not convicted.
Before anyone replies that Ukwuachu's case was overturned - The final outcome was conviction of sexual assault.
Having 3 players accused of rape is cause enough for termination, whether they were convicted or not. I'm not saying that Briles hid any of that and I don't think he did. Unfortunately, he and dishonest abe lincoln did try to cover up a lot of other things, including assault, battery, brandishing a firearm against a student and so forth.
If Briles had set expectations for behavior and followed through with penalties aka consequence, we would have probably seen a good 7-10 additional players get kicked off of his teams over the years and Briles would have not been terminated. Briles was unable to do that and the school used his overall lack of discipline as a means to can him.
The problem here is that accusations can be FALSE. Look at what happened to Oakman. How is it Briles fault that players are getting falsely accused??
Also, who goes to a football coach if they were molested or anything? Who doesn't go to the police?
This is the biggest red flag to me.
Its crazy to get raped and then run to your local football coach for help.
If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
montypython said:If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
Do we have to go 2-10?montypython said:If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
agreed on Briles should have handled it better. I don't think advising to go to the police warrants him to be fired or for Baylor to pay him out $18mm. Baylor allowed the media to control the narrative and once the media made a certain narrative, it was game over.morethanhecouldbear said:An alleged victim could have gone to Briles, or it could have been the BOR planting an untrue story.Married A Horn said:Ghostrider said:no it wasn't his job. He advised anyone to go to the authorities. He is a football coach, not the police.cms186 said:it was not Briles job to play Judge and Jury, it was his job to pass any reportsd of abuse top the relevent authorities, which he rarely didScottS said:jikespingleton said:ScottS said:cms186 said:it was institutional, Baylor as a University was rotten, Briles was just a part of that, he wasnt the sole architect of it, it wasnt just the Football team, but the Football team and Briles were a significant part of it.FLBear5630 said:cms186 said:
Seriously disgusting that after everything we, as a fanbase, have been through because of Briles, some people would still welcome him back with open arms because they think it might win us a few more games of Football
Briles didnt care about what his players were doing, he had a duty of care that he just completely disregarded, but lets set aside his repugnant morals and his lip service to Christianity (some of you have done that anyway) and look at it from a purely Football point of view:
His Offence might have been cutting edge at the time, but Football has moved on and lets not forget, whilst his brand of Football was certainly exciting, in arguably the 2 biggest games of his tenure (the Cotton Bowl and the Fiesta Bowl) Briles chunked it through bad preparation and game management. Briles has been out of College Football for nearly 10 years and will be severely out of touch with the game, many coaching staff he might want to hire wont want to work with him and many players he might want to recruit wont want to come play for him because of his richly deserved reputation of being a morally bankrupt *******.
So yeah, stfu about Briles coming back here because even the most ardent Briles fanboi knows with 100% certainty that it will NEVER, EVER happen and nor should it. Utterly disgusted that fans of a supposedly Christian school would even contemplate wanting someone as morally bankrupt as him ever associated with the University again.
What exactly is truth and what is scapegoat? I need someone that was here to fill me in. From the outside it looked like it was an institutional issue, not just football. I really do not have a good enough grasp to pass judgement.
There was 1 conviction. That's it. And the person with the conviction wasn't named Briles. You like you act like Briles raped 100 women.
We had 3 players formally accused of rape:
- There was 1 rape conviction (That scumbag Elliot).
- 1 sexual assault conviction (Ukwuachu).
- A third player, Oakman was accused of rape but not convicted.
Before anyone replies that Ukwuachu's case was overturned - The final outcome was conviction of sexual assault.
Having 3 players accused of rape is cause enough for termination, whether they were convicted or not. I'm not saying that Briles hid any of that and I don't think he did. Unfortunately, he and dishonest abe lincoln did try to cover up a lot of other things, including assault, battery, brandishing a firearm against a student and so forth.
If Briles had set expectations for behavior and followed through with penalties aka consequence, we would have probably seen a good 7-10 additional players get kicked off of his teams over the years and Briles would have not been terminated. Briles was unable to do that and the school used his overall lack of discipline as a means to can him.
The problem here is that accusations can be FALSE. Look at what happened to Oakman. How is it Briles fault that players are getting falsely accused??
Also, who goes to a football coach if they were molested or anything? Who doesn't go to the police?
This is the biggest red flag to me.
Its crazy to get raped and then run to your local football coach for help.
We don't get to the end result (briles terminated) without a combination of Briles not running a clean ship and the idiots in the BOR.
i am hearing more negative things about Baylor right now than i ever heard during the bor mess up in 2016montypython said:If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
I see you are still in never never land.Married A Horn said:montypython said:If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
Im going with 10-2, correct the mistakes / get help on your weaknesses / Forgiveness.
montypython said:I see you are going to never never land.Married A Horn said:montypython said:If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
Im going with 10-2, correct the mistakes / get help on your weaknesses / Forgiveness.
Say hi to michael jackson for me.
jikespingleton said:This is one of those ignorant takes that makes it's way back to the surface once in a while.Married A Horn said:Eball said:
What about other sexual assaults non-athletes who gets fired for bringing them to campus?
They didnt contribute to beating ut on the football field...so double standard away.
Beating ut and ou has nothing to do with the end result of the Briles era.
It was the lack of accountability within the administration as a whole, as well as that of Briles when he ran this program.
Post less.Ghostrider said:i am hearing more negative things about Baylor right now than i ever heard during the bor mess up in 2016montypython said:If the only choices are between going 2-10, or winning more games but having our schools name tainted for decades - I'm going with 2-10.Married A Horn said:BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
My bad. You're right. 1-11 or 2-10 are so much better. What were we thinking?
Yes, really.Cove Dawg said:jikespingleton said:This is one of those ignorant takes that makes it's way back to the surface once in a while.Married A Horn said:Eball said:
What about other sexual assaults non-athletes who gets fired for bringing them to campus?
They didnt contribute to beating ut on the football field...so double standard away.
Beating ut and ou has nothing to do with the end result of the Briles era.
It was the lack of accountability within the administration as a whole, as well as that of Briles when he ran this program.
Oh, really? Where did the entire fake narrative originate? Who were the sources?
If you actually do some real research and answer these questions you will have your answer.
We're also aware of the litany of problems with the Baylor Board of Regents at that time.Married A Horn said:
We're aware man. We're also aware of the litany of problems at other programs who dont sacrifice their head coaches and programs.
If Briles ran a tighter ship he wouldn't have been sacrificed.Married A Horn said:
We're aware man. We're also aware of the litany of problems at other programs who dont sacrifice their head coaches and programs.
jikespingleton said:If Briles ran a tighter ship he wouldn't have been sacrificed.Married A Horn said:
We're aware man. We're also aware of the litany of problems at other programs who dont sacrifice their head coaches and programs.
other tried to hire him, but cancel culture…..Married A Horn said:jikespingleton said:If Briles ran a tighter ship he wouldn't have been sacrificed.Married A Horn said:
We're aware man. We're also aware of the litany of problems at other programs who dont sacrifice their head coaches and programs.
Or coached ANYWHERE else.
BUAL said:
Right, get a coach back who only cares about offense, could not organize a defense, could not get any defender to turn his head to look for the ball, blew a big lead in the Cotton Bowl, did an awful job prepping guys for the NFL and ignored a scandal that involved sexual assault. That definitely seems like the right call.
Exactly. They'll look the other way as long as their "team" wins. Pure hypocrisy!Married A Horn said:
Votes
agreed. We couldn't afford him.Bear3 said:
Stupid Thread!!! Briles is not coming back and every poster knows this!!!
Hey, I got this premium for free baby. Also, are people with the premium member tags seen as pretentious? I'm new to the forumsMarried A Horn said:
All these premium members crossing over to tell us what we need. Thanks guys. What would we do without yall?
