The Big XII should just not play games against each other. Play 12 games against the SWAC, G5's, etc. and then draw two teams out of a hat to play in the Big XII championship game. We could end up with 14 teams that go 12-0, one that goes 12-1 and one that ends up 13-0.

The longer time goes by the more ridiculous this selection committee crap gets.

Obviously tongue-in-cheek, but strength of schedule has got to matter......until it doesn't get the desired team into the bracket. Then head-to-head matters until it doesn't, etc,. etc., etc.

Why don't they just name the 12 teams at the start of the season? It wouldn't be any more subjective, could it?

GoldenBear007 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Yes… This all sounds very objective

.@CFBPlayoff chair Warde Manuel asked if Boise’s 17-13 win at Wyoming affected committee's evaluation of them. Wyoming is 2-9 (1-5 at home)

“Well (Boise) won & we value winning. We value how the teams play & in the end, the scoreboard matters. … We have some people on the…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

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Can we please just go back to the BCS? The changes to the committee rankings are likely minimal, but at least we know what we're getting every year and not this ever moving needle every year on the committee's criteria

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To be fair, the BCS simulated results are substantially similar to the committees' list for the teams in contention, so going back to the BCS probably wouldn't result in a meaningful difference.

Amazingly, we've only got two of these left this season — here's the latest side-by-side of our simulated #BCS and the just-released @CFBPlayoff rankings: pic.twitter.com/Pae7NXWq9b

— BCSKnowHow.com (@BCSKnowHow) November 27, 2024

The narrative changes every week, I like Boise State, a lot, they've had a tremendous year, but Arizona State beat Wyoming by 41 in Temple, BYU won at Laramie by 20. It's almost fraudulent to hear what is said each week...almost disrespectful for Manuel to say any of that. https://t.co/Cz0vliRO7s

— David Smoak (@DavidSmoak) November 27, 2024

GoldenBear007 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Yes… This all sounds very objective

.@CFBPlayoff chair Warde Manuel asked if Boise’s 17-13 win at Wyoming affected committee's evaluation of them. Wyoming is 2-9 (1-5 at home)

“Well (Boise) won & we value winning. We value how the teams play & in the end, the scoreboard matters. … We have some people on the…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

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Can we please just go back to the BCS? The changes to the committee rankings are likely minimal, but at least we know what we're getting every year and not this ever moving needle every year on the committee's criteria

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The solution is pretty simple to me:

--16 teams (no byes)
--Both championship game participants from all P4 leagues get auto bids
--One auto bid for top G5 champion
--Seven at-large selections
--Higher seed hosts through semifinals

Give me this and I'll never complain about the playoff again.

How did the Committee do?

The Committee is showing a lot of love to the G5 contenders

BYU, Georgia and LSU have the biggest gripes pic.twitter.com/p3lsLCXMrF

— Kelley Ford (@KFordRatings) November 27, 2024

Can the Conference Championship game. Take the teams that would have played in the game. Then follow your plan.

With unbalanced schedules, problems created by upsets in said game, 16 teams in playoffs, and number of games, the championship game is outdated.

Polycarp said:

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Can the Conference Championship game. Take the teams that would have played in the game. Then follow your plan.

With unbalanced schedules, problems created by upsets in said game, 16 teams in playoffs, and number of games, the championship game is outdated.

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I'm fine with that too, but I don't think the leagues will be. There's too much money to be made in them.

If I really wanted to get greedy, I'd create a four-team conference playoff to decide the league champions. That would account for schedule variance and ensure that the two best teams from your conference make the big playoff most years.

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Can the Conference Championship game. Take the teams that would have played in the game. Then follow your plan.

With unbalanced schedules, problems created by upsets in said game, 16 teams in playoffs, and number of games, the championship game is outdated.

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I don't know what the answer is with these big conferences...but we are definitely going to end up with unbalanced schedules and some teams catching a break with the schedule they draw.

Of the 3 teams that are 9-2 (ISU, BYU, ASU) only BYU and ASU faced each other. KU had all 3 teams on their schedule...and 8-3 KSU and Colo to boot. ISU didn't have to face BYU, ASU, or Colorado.

Games against current CFB Top 25 including this weekend:
KU 7
KSU 5
Georgia 5
Ohio State 3
Indiana 1
Oregon 3
Tennessee 2
Notre Dame 1
Penn state 2
SMU 1
Texas 2
Miami 0
Boise State 2
Arizona State 2

Just did a random list because I was curious

— E_S4KSU (@E_S4KSU) November 27, 2024

It's a shame the Pac12 doesn't exist anymore. I was always a fan of the 8-team playoff idea.

P5 conference champions, the best G5 champion, and 2 at-large bids

Every conference gets to send their best team

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GoldenBear007 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Yes… This all sounds very objective

.@CFBPlayoff chair Warde Manuel asked if Boise’s 17-13 win at Wyoming affected committee's evaluation of them. Wyoming is 2-9 (1-5 at home)

“Well (Boise) won & we value winning. We value how the teams play & in the end, the scoreboard matters. … We have some people on the…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

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Can we please just go back to the BCS? The changes to the committee rankings are likely minimal, but at least we know what we're getting every year and not this ever moving needle every year on the committee's criteria

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The solution is pretty simple to me:

--16 teams (no byes)
--Both championship game participants from all P4 leagues get auto bids
--One auto bid for top G5 champion
--Seven at-large selections
--Higher seed hosts through semifinals

Give me this and I'll never complain about the playoff again.

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If this is what you ask for, then get ready for SEC and BIG to claim all 7 at-large bids between them. It's the way it will work, because it's the way the ESPN wants it. So the arguments will be relatively the same as they are now - only difference is that we will guarantee a big 12 team and a G5 team make it every time, with the occasional opportunity for the Big 12 to have a multi-bid year. But that will only be occasionally.

Instant reaction:

- The placement of Tulane and Boise State relative to the Big 12 teams is fraudulent
- The elevation of Clemson for handing Pitt their 4th loss in a row is very surprising. Huge boost to the At Large hopes
- SMU finally evaluated fairly is refreshing

— CFP Resume Rankings (@CFPResumeRanks) November 27, 2024

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boognish_bear said:

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Yes… This all sounds very objective

.@CFBPlayoff chair Warde Manuel asked if Boise’s 17-13 win at Wyoming affected committee's evaluation of them. Wyoming is 2-9 (1-5 at home)

“Well (Boise) won & we value winning. We value how the teams play & in the end, the scoreboard matters. … We have some people on the…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) November 27, 2024

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Can we please just go back to the BCS? The changes to the committee rankings are likely minimal, but at least we know what we're getting every year and not this ever moving needle every year on the committee's criteria

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The solution is pretty simple to me:

--16 teams (no byes)
--Both championship game participants from all P4 leagues get auto bids
--One auto bid for top G5 champion
--Seven at-large selections
--Higher seed hosts through semifinals

Give me this and I'll never complain about the playoff again.

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If this is what you ask for, then get ready for SEC and BIG to claim all 7 at-large bids between them. It's the way it will work, because it's the way the ESPN wants it. So the arguments will be relatively the same as they are now - only difference is that we will guarantee a big 12 team and a G5 team make it every time, with the occasional opportunity for the Big 12 to have a multi-bid year. But that will only be occasionally.

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I don't think it would actually turn out that way, and I think this year is proof. There is a threshold beyond which the committee won't go with SEC and Big Ten teams -- as we're seeing in a year where most SEC schools will finish with three or more losses.

But I honestly don't care. As long as the Big 12 gets its top two teams in, I'm pretty happy. Give the third and fourth teams a path in when they're good enough to earn it, and I'm over the moon.

All I want is a universal/objective path into the playoff and a large enough field to include all teams with a legitimate claim to a spot. My suggested format here would accomplish both.

Each CFB Playoff team gets:

$4M for making the 12 team field
$3M for additional game expenses
+ All Parking and Concession $.

(All ticket revenue goes to the CFB Playoff main fund)

So basically Tennessee's game vs Vanderbilt is at least a $10 Million game for the Vols.

— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) November 27, 2024

Rankings Reaction 📝

• Arizona State should be several spots higher. The #16 Sun Devils should be at least 13th, if not 12th. They’re 9-2 with back-to-back ranked wins. How are they behind 8-3 Alabama, 8-3 Ole Miss, and 8-3 South Carolina?

• Tennessee being ahead of SMU is… pic.twitter.com/MPR2p2IceQ

— CFB Kings (@CFBKings) November 27, 2024

Nick Saban tells @PatMcAfeeShow there are "subjective issues" in college football that "are never going to change." 😅

"If Ole Miss played in the Big 12, what would their record be?" pic.twitter.com/Lzz8qFxwkA

— ESPN College Football (@ESPNCFB) November 27, 2024

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Nick Saban tells @PatMcAfeeShow there are "subjective issues" in college football that "are never going to change." 😅

"If Ole Miss played in the Big 12, what would their record be?" pic.twitter.com/Lzz8qFxwkA

— ESPN College Football (@ESPNCFB) November 27, 2024

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Whiney Saban

What happened the last two times Ole Miss played Big12 teams? They took fat L's from lil ole Baylor and Texas Tech

Don't let the media fool you, the gap between an average SEC team and the Big12 isn't as big as they want you to believe

boognish_bear said:

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Each CFB Playoff team gets:

$4M for making the 12 team field
$3M for additional game expenses
+ All Parking and Concession $.

(All ticket revenue goes to the CFB Playoff main fund)

So basically Tennessee's game vs Vanderbilt is at least a $10 Million game for the Vols.

— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) November 27, 2024

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Get ready for a lot of yellow flags in Nashville. Vandy may set a NCAA record for most holding and pass interference penalties in one game. No one knows how to work the system better than Greg Sankey.

Undefeated in Hypothetical Games https://t.co/kVbkzmDnd5 pic.twitter.com/4lznb1zpXe

— Big 12 Conference (@Big12Conference) November 27, 2024

I love this. It's about time our league start to stand up for itself.

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I love this. It's about time our league start to stand up for itself.

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I was also glad to see that response from the official big 12 account. Just including the full pic here for people that didn't click on it to see that Baylor was included.

Kiffin has a short memory

Lane Kiffin takes a shot at the ACC and Big 12 over College Football Playoff rankings👀

“It’s ridiculous, the difference of playing in the SEC and the ACC and Big 12… To think that you’re looking at schools and you’re talking about, like, Clemson’s schedule and who they played… pic.twitter.com/ewV8MXWAmY

— On3 (@On3sports) November 28, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Kiffin has a short memory

Lane Kiffin takes a shot at the ACC and Big 12 over College Football Playoff rankings👀

“It’s ridiculous, the difference of playing in the SEC and the ACC and Big 12… To think that you’re looking at schools and you’re talking about, like, Clemson’s schedule and who they played… pic.twitter.com/ewV8MXWAmY

— On3 (@On3sports) November 28, 2024

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Surely you have a positive record against Big12 in bowl games, Lane!

He must've taken up drinking again

boognish_bear said:

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Kiffin has a short memory

Lane Kiffin takes a shot at the ACC and Big 12 over College Football Playoff rankings👀

“It’s ridiculous, the difference of playing in the SEC and the ACC and Big 12… To think that you’re looking at schools and you’re talking about, like, Clemson’s schedule and who they played… pic.twitter.com/ewV8MXWAmY

— On3 (@On3sports) November 28, 2024

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Kiffin's a Charmin soft little *****. And his teams reflect that.

HOLY SHIT https://t.co/jJyybtHSEd

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) November 28, 2024

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So let me see if I get this right....

The SEC is so strong because Bama and Aggy sitting at or near the top of the conference can be beat by two SEC bottom feeders OU and Auburn. That shows how strong the whole conference is.

In the B12 when 4-6 KU beats Colo at the top of the conference it shows how shtty the B12 is.

Did I do it right?

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Yes, because the worst SEC team is still viewed as better than the best Big 12 school. SEC fans would argue a school like Auburn or OU would stillbe the favorite in a neutral site game against a BYU or Arizona State.

As such, don't be surprised if Big 12 does indeed get left out of the playoff. We're viewed as simply an upper G5 conference now in football.

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Which is ridiculous because our worst school (OSU) beat Arkansas

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B12 has to schedule more of those games. All it can. Play anyone anywhere anytime. And be loud about it.

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This. The Big 12 needs to schedule more of P4 games in the regular season and win at least 50% in them - with 16 Big 12 teams, that translates to 8 P4 out of conference regular season wins per season. That's reasonable and would reflect positively on the conference.

Otherwise, the reputation of the conference will continue to come up shorter and shorter over time.

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Baylor is doing their job. We got SMU and Auburn next year. Followed by Auburn and Oregon the year after

Schools like TCU need to quit scheduling former Pac12 cupcakes like Cal and Stanford

Edit: 2026 might be SMU and Auburn again but I know we have Oregon sometime in the next couple years

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We have home & home with Auburn in 2025 & 2026 then home & home with Oregon in 2027 & 2028. G to hey don't overlap. We also have gone & home with SMU in 2025 & 2026, overlapping with the Auburn games. We probably have the best ooc schedule in the Big 12 those years.

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Was confusing KSU with ASU. I'm not really sure why you even brought those 3 up to begin with as they were never part of any discussion. Regardless nothing PSU has done from a resume stand point is impressive. And that's undeniable. You using Illinois to prop up Penn St is both hilarious and typical. I usually agree with your takes on the SEC teams. However you justifying or even trying to justify Penn St is dumb. They've done NOTHING to deserve that ranking. Other than of course the name on the jersey.

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Well, Penn State did win 10 games… against cupcakes & mediocre (at best) conference opponents.

Actually, they gif better then many SEC "powerhouses": they didn't lose to a cupcake or mediocrity the way Bama, Ole Miss, Aggie, & Bama did again.

Yeah, I can’t imagine an ACC offense like Miami’s moving the ball on that Florida Gator defense that Ole Miss struggled with

And you look at a team at the top of the SEC like Texas with all those resources, they’d win a conference like the Big 12 yearly I bet https://t.co/o38AEOWs3H

— CFB Home (@CFBHome) November 28, 2024

Except for over a decade, Texas, with all their resources, did not win the Big 12. They finally did their last year and are now near the top of the SEC. Let's see how long it lasts. It would be funny if they replaced Bama & Georgia as the dominant force there!

How the playoffs are looking for the G5 autobid

MW winner (Boise State, UNLV)
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Big gap
AAC winner (Army)
MW winner (Colorado State)
AAC winner (Tulane)
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Sun Belt winner (Louisiana)
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Big gap
Sun Belt winner (Marshall and everyone else)

— CFB Home (@CFBHome) November 29, 2024

THE BIG 12 IS GOING TO THE PLAYOFF! THE BIG 12 IS GOING TO THE PLAYOFF! TULANE IS DEAD! pic.twitter.com/a2I8JP3w3t

— locked on big 12, america’s conference. (@LOBig12) November 29, 2024

Memphis’ big win is a huge sigh of relief for the SEC. There’s a chance that their conference championship will be 9-3 Texas A&M vs. 9-3 Georgia, and they can breathe a little easier that they’ll get at least 1 team into the Playoff now.

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) November 29, 2024