Thee University said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Thee University said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Thee University said:
I will repeat. What if one of the victims was your daughter?
Good question...
To help answer this, let's consider the case of the daughter who was a volleyball player. Mind you, this was the ONLY case the BOR offered up as an example where Art Briles "knew of a rape but didn't report it".
Of her, the volleyball coach wrote in a letter, "Because there is so much wrong information out there and Coach Briles has been accused of a cover-up, my player has fully endorsed me to make a statement. In fact she said Art Briles was a good and faithful man. She appreciated his support and she was very thankful that he kept her name out of this as well"....
You mean this daughter?
That did not answer my question. Try again.
It wasn't meant to answer your question, but rather to challenge your faulty premise.
Faulty premise?
I have two daughters. Neither wanted to go to Baylor much to my pocketbook's delight. One went to an "institution of football" that so many on here pine for and the other went to one the most liberal schools in the US way up north. I raised them to stay away from football players!
I have two lawyer friends who sent their daughters to Baylor during the 2012-2016 time frames. Both are HUGE sports fans and they both told me separately that their daughters came home to tell them that the Baylor football team is "out of control".
As a former Baylor player I saw a lot myself and heard a lot of wild stories that are not in the Southern Baptist Manual nor are they addressed in the Baylor Code of Ethics. ALL of the players understood that Abner McCall's Baylor did not give us carte blanche around Waco or on campus. We all knew there would be hell to pay if we did anything out of bounds or gave Baylor a black eye.
You guys have let your love affair with a football coach who placed TRUE discipline way down his priority list give you bad cases of the candy leg. You now accept the collateral damage (as long as it is not your daughter getting assaulted, roughed up or generally raped) as OK and your savior coach was framed.
I'm saying that GT & his staff, spending 5+ hours a day with athletes in both casual encounters and professional coaching encounters know who the "bad dudes" were. They kept the "bad dudes" on a very short leash.
What was so different? GT understood how to keep his finger on the pulse of the team and moved quickly to cut the cancer out before it poisoned even more.
I think the bottom line was that GT loved Baylor and respected her Mission Statement 1000 times more so than the UT wanna be coach we let run wild.
Yes, faulty premise. Your "what if it were your daughter" argument is assuming that all the allegations being thrown out there are true, and that Art Briles is to blame, neither of which has been proven, except perhaps only in the court of public opinion where innuendo, allegations in lawsuit filings, out of context text messages, biased reporting, and the opinions of "professional victims" serve as "proof". So by assuming the truth of your disputed conclusion in your premise, in essence you're begging the question.
Here in this last post you seem to be offering your past experience and personal bias as proof of your premise, (which by the way is yet another fallacy). Though your experience gives you a lot more insight than others, and while it may be pertinent to your team back then, you really haven't offered anything that directly pertains to the team at hand, except for what two friends of yours said. While I don't have any reason to doubt them, at best this is just anecdotal evidence based on hearsay. In contrast, however, I offered an actual documented example of the volleyball player to challenge your premise that Briles is definitely to blame and is therefore deserving of all the animus being directed at him, as if he was the Grim Raper himself. But here we have an actual victim, from the actual case where "Briles knew of a rape but didn't report it", who doesn't seem to blame Briles, but rather, seems to be generally supportive of him, even praising him personally and for how he handled the situation, and defending him against the rampant criticism.
I certainly don't expect you or anyone else to fully change your mind because of this, but I think mitigating pieces of evidence like this should at least temper the extremist stance against Briles that too many here have firmly entrenched themselves in. Extremist stances, such as saying to those who defend Briles, "
You now accept the collateral damage (as long as it is not your daughter getting assaulted, roughed up or generally raped) as OK and your savior coach was framed."- which not only is begging the question again, but also it does nothing for the debate/discussion except to antagonize and falsely defame.
