Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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MMR isn't a mRNA vaccine

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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MMR isn't a mRNA vaccine

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I know. Relevance?

coming into this late, but need to observe that a standard 18-wheel truck/trailer rig is rated for 44K pounds.......

So we sent LESS THAN two truckloads of war materiel to help Ukraine to stop the Russian war machine.

With friends like us, Ukraine can't afford any enemies at all.

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coming into this late, but need to observe that a standard 18-wheel truck/trailer rig is rated for 44K pounds.......

So we sent LESS THAN two truckloads of war materiel to help Ukraine to stop the Russian war machine.

With friends like us, Ukraine can't afford any enemies at all.

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The small amount of ammo was merely a political signal. With our idiotic leadership I wouldn't be surprised if the ammo was unusable in Ukraine weapons .

Regardless , Putin is well aware of Biden's mental status and lack of popular support .

Said signal will be treated with contempt.

Canon said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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Trump was in control of Putin. Putin feared Trump. Putin giggles at the prospect of facing Biden.

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that is some funny chit right there!. Once again, you have proven yourself to be the the 365 Village idiot!

Johnny Bear said:

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Canon said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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Trump was in control of Putin. Putin feared Trump. Putin giggles at the prospect of facing Biden.

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Trump was actually in affect waging bloodless war on Russia through implementing and supporting policies that made the USA energy independent and able to provide Western Europe with an alternative to just continually stoking the Russian economy through oil imports. Dementia Joe immediately reversed all of that by essentially declaring war on our own oil and gas development and surrendering energy independence back to foreign powers that don't have our best interests at heart - all to simply appease the nut job wacko far left environmentalists in his own party. In many ways he has stupidly participated in green lighting this fine mess we now find ourselves reacting to, not to mention that the Russians may well have him compromised to boot. If you think this would've played out this way if Trump were still POTUS you are either an idiot, or a moron, or you are so brainwashed you don't know which end is up.

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Little Johnny...Trump and US energy independence is nothing more that a myth. We never were....never will be. This is my biz and I understand it.

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If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country. A modest upgrade from Albania. Bad economy constantly needing IMF intervention. Using conflict and potential conflict as their ticket to more economic subsidies to see if they can pass Sudan on the GDP list. Nothing cheesier than military conflict cheese.

If you check the 'Merica ego at the door you can see this is a turd. And Let's not bring the Euro military jobs program for nations who haven't seen the business end of enemy weaponry since Hitler offed himself, otherwise known as NATO, into this charade. Let the bluster blow over. Russia just wants to keep Ukraine at baby brother status. Let's not break out the boots and bullets for a pet project of some State/DOD working group on Eastern Europe.

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Haven't we spent the past 75 years working to bring countries to democracy, personal choice and capitalism? Your racist comment is way off base or have you forgotten about Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, El Salvador, Taiwan, Phillipines, and several African countries none of which are white. This race-centric view of the world is a younger generation thing at least in foreign relations.

Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, East Germany,, Poland are all success stories of the Cold War. Millions of people have a better shot at a life, not perfect but better. What you propose leaves them at the mercy of thugs. But, I guess that means nothing today.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Debunked.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-propaganda-in-baltimore-sun/

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I am curious what you think your link debunked exactly.

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That's because you skimmed the first few paragraphs and didn't read the section addressing DeLong's article in detail. It's the part that's called "How bad can an epidemiology paper be?"

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Contrary to your assertions, I read the entire article, and the point remains. Gorski doesn't debunk the positive association between the two. It doesn't mean they are related of course, but it would be damn near impossible to argue that the current vaccine schedule - which has significantly increased since the 80s - and the higher autism rate have not coincided with one another. So again, I ask, what is it exactly you believe Gorski "debunked"?

BTW, I am quite familiar with Dave Gorski. He's the prominent vax proponent, blowhard and troll who got in trouble for being critical of a researcher who published concerns over the rush to get the COVID vaccine out - not because Gorski disagreed with the researcher's concerns and data, of course - but because he thought publishing those concerns - regardless of their truthfulness - would cause vaccine hesitancy. In short, he doesn't want the truth published because of the effect it might have on the public. Remarkable.

And that's the guy you're citing.

Joe Biden has rejected a serious diplomatic plan for Ukraine and instead raced to use the Pentagon as the lead option.

No sanctions on NS2. No serious one on one with Putin. Blinken dismissed by France and Germany. No serious NATO coordination (a diplomatic tool).

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) January 25, 2022

Washington always races to put US soldiers in harms way before demanding that our diplomats get tough.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) January 25, 2022

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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MMR isn't a mRNA vaccine

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I know. Relevance?

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I think you are imputing complications of MMR (I haven't seen proof of autism caused by MMR) to mRNA vaccines. You've had a bad experience with a traditional vaccine and I think that colors your POV on all vaccines.

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Joe Biden has rejected a serious diplomatic plan for Ukraine and instead raced to use the Pentagon as the lead option.

No sanctions on NS2. No serious one on one with Putin. Blinken dismissed by France and Germany. No serious NATO coordination (a diplomatic tool).

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) January 25, 2022

Washington always races to put US soldiers in harms way before demanding that our diplomats get tough.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) January 25, 2022

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I agree on sanctions and getting tough. But, as a Ukrainian national who worked for me said when I was helping get her visa, "Why did the US court us and the Warsaw Pact countries all those years, just to leave us when we are trying to join Europe and need their help? " I do not have an answer. I wonder is Grenell does?

There is too much politics going on here, if this was Trump (who sent Javelins and screamed about Obama being too soft) he would be doing the same thing. Although I do not believe Putin would try on him.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

---

Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Debunked.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-propaganda-in-baltimore-sun/

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I am curious what you think your link debunked exactly.

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That's because you skimmed the first few paragraphs and didn't read the section addressing DeLong's article in detail. It's the part that's called "How bad can an epidemiology paper be?"

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Contrary to your assertions, I read the entire article, and the point remains. Gorski doesn't debunk the positive association between the two. It doesn't mean they are related of course, but it would be damn near impossible to argue that the current vaccine schedule - which has significantly increased since the 80s - and the higher autism rate have not coincided with one another. So again, I ask, what is it exactly you believe Gorski "debunked"?

BTW, I am quite familiar with Dave Gorski. He's the prominent vax proponent, blowhard and troll who got in trouble for being critical of a researcher who published concerns over the rush to get the COVID vaccine out - not because Gorski disagreed with the researcher's concerns and data, of course - but because he thought publishing those concerns - regardless of their truthfulness - would cause vaccine hesitancy. In short, he doesn't want the truth published because of the effect it might have on the public. Remarkable.

And that's the guy you're citing.

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So you read it but didn't understand it. Should have known.

BTW, almost everything in your second paragraph is a lie. The researcher in question was not concerned about the speed of the vaccine rollout, Gorski did disagree with his (lack of) data, and the only trouble that ensued was an unsuccessful attempt to harass Gorski into submission by emailing his chairman.

Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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You're looking in the wrong forum.

JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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Who would you consider an adult?

RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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America is so polarized, it doesn't matter if it's not Trump or Biden. Whoever it would be, one side will cheer them on matter what and the other will go completely nuts no matter what.

Hell, you could bring George Washington back from the dead, and half the country would still lose their collective *****

muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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Who would you consider an adult?

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This might be a fun game:

Chuck Norris

muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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Who would you consider an adult?

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Eisenhower, Truman, Reagan, Ford, Bush Sr, and even Kennedy acted more like an adult than the last four! As much as I didn't like his personal life, even Clinton was a better Administrator than any of the last 4 and I didn't vote for him!

Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden are like kids more interested in proving points than getting anything done. I am sick of it.

Interesting conversation piece, Presidential acts they may not have agreed personally, but did it because it was better for the Country? (Not an inclusive list, just what pops to mind right now. I may be wrong on some.)

• Bush Sr stopping short of going to Bagdad?
• Clinton making a U turn on his taxing program and socialized medicine when he saw it was a disaster?
• Ford pardoning Nixon?
• Eisenhower putting the 101st in Arkansas, which went against his view of domestic use of the military?
• Truman firing MacArthur? (Or did he enjoy that?)
• Truman dropping the Atom Bomb? (The toughest decision, IMO)

• Trump shutting down the economy (I give him credit for that. It may not have been the right move, but at the time the data showed different and he did what he was told was right even though he disagreed.)

I cannot think of one thing Bush Jr, Obama or Biden have done that put the Nation first, even though they disagreed.

only thing I can think of with Bush is that he put country first in regards to Terrorism after 9/11. at least in my opinion. Obama and Biden I agree...they have done nothing but slowly degrade this countries freedom and enrich themselves.

Rawhide said:

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RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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America is so polarized, it doesn't matter if it's not Trump or Biden. Whoever it would be, one side will cheer them on matter what and the other will go completely nuts no matter what.

Hell, you could bring George Washington back from the dead, and half the country would still lose their collective *****

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When two peoples can't live in peace together they should peacefully separate.

Oh wait Lincoln made that impossible with his tyrannical unconstitutional actions is 1861.

The USA is eventually going to have an actual civil war because both sides hate each other's guts (and rightfully so) and want blood.

Redbrickbear said:

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Rawhide said:

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RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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America is so polarized, it doesn't matter if it's not Trump or Biden. Whoever it would be, one side will cheer them on matter what and the other will go completely nuts no matter what.

Hell, you could bring George Washington back from the dead, and half the country would still lose their collective *****

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When two peoples can't live in peace together they should peacefully separate.

Oh wait Lincoln made that impossible with his tyrannical unconstitutional actions is 1861.

The USA is eventually going to have an actual civil war because both sides hate each other's guts (and rightfully so) and want blood.

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Well, I guess reasonable is out the window...

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only thing I can think of with Bush is that he put country first in regards to Terrorism after 9/11. at least in my opinion. Obama and Biden I agree...they have done nothing but slowly degrade this countries freedom and enrich themselves.

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I can go there. I also thought that Bush Jr tried to get something done on immigration, but I may be misremembering. My biggest complaint with him was he seemed to let Cheney and Rumsfeld, but again it could be misperception. I was too busy working during those years!

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Canon said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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Trump was in control of Putin. Putin feared Trump. Putin giggles at the prospect of facing Biden.

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that is some funny chit right there!. Once again, you have proven yourself to be the the 365 Village idiot!

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Oh my! There's so little you understand. I suspect you need assistance completing your toilet activities. I hope you have a good nap.

RMF5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Rawhide said:

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RMF5630 said:

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JXL said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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What about leftist peaceniks who are all about war as long as a Democrat is in office?

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In my opinion it has been both sides to a ridiculous level. This has got to stop. The Country can't get anything done. Dems will say that McConnell started it and GOP will say Obama started it. Time for an adult in the White House. Sorry radicals, neither Trump or Biden are it.

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America is so polarized, it doesn't matter if it's not Trump or Biden. Whoever it would be, one side will cheer them on matter what and the other will go completely nuts no matter what.

Hell, you could bring George Washington back from the dead, and half the country would still lose their collective *****

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When two peoples can't live in peace together they should peacefully separate.

Oh wait Lincoln made that impossible with his tyrannical unconstitutional actions is 1861.

The USA is eventually going to have an actual civil war because both sides hate each other's guts (and rightfully so) and want blood.

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Well, I guess reasonable is out the window...

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For a great many Americans it is.

Did you not see the statues being torn down these past few years?

Did you not see the BLM (leftists) riots with 40+ dead and $2+ billion in damages?

Did you not see the MAGA riot at the Capitol that stormed the building?

Both sides want blood..and slowly they are getting it.

Remember that riots and murder in bleeding Kansas were the prelude to our own bloody conflict in 1861.

I'm curious how Europe is responding to this.

Russia has extreme control over Europe because Europe attempted to replace natural gas with solar and wind which failed. They're also opposed to LNGs import/export terminals, so no US natural gas.

40% of Europe's natural gas comes from Russia and they're increasingly becoming dependent on it. Russia could destroy Europe's access to energy in a heartbeat.

J.R. said:

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Canon said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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Trump was in control of Putin. Putin feared Trump. Putin giggles at the prospect of facing Biden.

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that is some funny chit right there!. Once again, you have proven yourself to be the the 365 Village idiot!

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Trump's entanglement with Putin--certainly doesn't sound like Putin was ever quaking in his boots.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

https://www.wnyc.org/story/mystery-president-trumps-relationship-putin-business-ties-russia/

uring the press conference that followed, Trump endorsed Putin's statement that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, contradicting the assessment of his own intelligence agencies.

Trump has since walked back his remarks, but the summit is raising new questions about the nature of his relationship with Putin, and his business ties to Russia. As far back as 1987, Trump was entertaining the idea of building a Trump Tower in the country, when it was still the Soviet Union. His numerous attempts failed, including an effort in 2014 with Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin. Agalarov collaborated with Trump in 2013 to bring the Miss Universe pageant to Russia.

Though he failed to build a skyscraper in Moscow, Trump relied on Russian money for his businesses. He sold countless apartments to wealthy Russians in places like Manhattan, and his Atlantic City casinos were popular were with Russian-Americans.

"All that activity brought him into contact with a huge number of people from the former Soviet Union," said Ilya Marritz, co-host of the Trump Inc podcast from WNYC and ProPublica.

Trump himself often toyed with the idea of meeting with Putin, including in a tweet about the 2013 Miss Universe pageant that the future president was hosting in Moscow. Although the Trump Organization now denies having any major business deals with Russia, rumors persist that Putin has some sort of financial leverage over, or compromising information on the president.

"There's a theory that Trump owes the Russians because of their financial support," Trump Inc. co-host Andrea Bernstein told WNYC's Jami Floyd. "On the other hand, some people who have worked for him have told us the idea that Trump would feel a sense of obligation to anyone is preposterous."

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I'm curious how Europe is responding to this.

Russia has extreme control over Europe because Europe attempted to replace natural gas with solar and wind which failed. They're also opposed to LNGs import/export terminals, so no US natural gas.

40% of Europe's natural gas comes from Russia and they're increasingly becoming dependent on it. Russia could destroy Europe's access to energy in a heartbeat.

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The US and Europe could both win with LNG terminals supplied by US natural gas. They could freeze Russia out of most of the European market.

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I'm curious how Europe is responding to this.

Russia has extreme control over Europe because Europe attempted to replace natural gas with solar and wind which failed. They're also opposed to LNGs import/export terminals, so no US natural gas.

40% of Europe's natural gas comes from Russia and they're increasingly becoming dependent on it. Russia could destroy Europe's access to energy in a heartbeat.

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Germany has basically told NATO it will not be apart of any war against Russia.

France, Spain, and Italy are fence sitting.

Energy prices are surging on the continent.

The USA and UK leadership is the most aggressive in wanting conflict with Russia.

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ATL Bear said:

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If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country. A modest upgrade from Albania. Bad economy constantly needing IMF intervention. Using conflict and potential conflict as their ticket to more economic subsidies to see if they can pass Sudan on the GDP list. Nothing cheesier than military conflict cheese.

If you check the 'Merica ego at the door you can see this is a turd. And Let's not bring the Euro military jobs program for nations who haven't seen the business end of enemy weaponry since Hitler offed himself, otherwise known as NATO, into this charade. Let the bluster blow over. Russia just wants to keep Ukraine at baby brother status. Let's not break out the boots and bullets for a pet project of some State/DOD working group on Eastern Europe.

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Haven't we spent the past 75 years working to bring countries to democracy, personal choice and capitalism? Your racist comment is way off base or have you forgotten about Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, El Salvador, Taiwan, Phillipines, and several African countries none of which are white. This race-centric view of the world is a younger generation thing at least in foreign relations.

Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, East Germany,, Poland are all success stories of the Cold War. Millions of people have a better shot at a life, not perfect but better. What you propose leaves them at the mercy of thugs. But, I guess that means nothing today.

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Racist comment? Younger generation? That's a weird take.

We aren't resolving Cold War issues right now, and the fact you're referencing it and Soviet Containment nations in your statements above is retro-bizarre. I'd like to respond but I honestly have no idea where you're taking this. You want to champion our foreign policy or "shining city on a hill" approach in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, El Salvador, and in Africa? Oook.. Cold War success isn't defined by NATO membership, and Ukraine was oligarchic, weak and "thuggy" long before it was cool to hate Putin.

Doc Holliday said:

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I'm curious how Europe is responding to this.

Russia has extreme control over Europe because Europe attempted to replace natural gas with solar and wind which failed. They're also opposed to LNGs import/export terminals, so no US natural gas.

40% of Europe's natural gas comes from Russia and they're increasingly becoming dependent on it. Russia could destroy Europe's access to energy in a heartbeat.

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Just shows the dangers of globalism. My biggest complaint with the current mover to tech and communication firms is the limited points of failure. Europe painted themselves into a corner on energy.

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RMF5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country. A modest upgrade from Albania. Bad economy constantly needing IMF intervention. Using conflict and potential conflict as their ticket to more economic subsidies to see if they can pass Sudan on the GDP list. Nothing cheesier than military conflict cheese.

If you check the 'Merica ego at the door you can see this is a turd. And Let's not bring the Euro military jobs program for nations who haven't seen the business end of enemy weaponry since Hitler offed himself, otherwise known as NATO, into this charade. Let the bluster blow over. Russia just wants to keep Ukraine at baby brother status. Let's not break out the boots and bullets for a pet project of some State/DOD working group on Eastern Europe.

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Haven't we spent the past 75 years working to bring countries to democracy, personal choice and capitalism? Your racist comment is way off base or have you forgotten about Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, El Salvador, Taiwan, Phillipines, and several African countries none of which are white. This race-centric view of the world is a younger generation thing at least in foreign relations.

Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, East Germany,, Poland are all success stories of the Cold War. Millions of people have a better shot at a life, not perfect but better. What you propose leaves them at the mercy of thugs. But, I guess that means nothing today.

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Racist comment? Younger generation? That's a weird take.

We aren't resolving Cold War issues right now, and the fact you're referencing it and Soviet Containment nations in your statements above is retro-bizarre. I'd like to respond but I honestly have no idea where you're taking this. You want to champion our foreign policy or "shining city on a hill" approach in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, El Salvador, and in Africa? Oook.. Cold War success isn't defined by NATO membership, and Ukraine was oligarchic, weak and "thuggy" long before it was cool to hate Putin.

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Where do you think this stuff comes from a vacuum? It comes from past policies that build on one another. How quickly do you thing it takes to move nations, weeks? It is a long slow process. You don't move from communist to democracy in a year. The process you are describing is how it happens. "Thuggy" is all they know, it takes iterations to get there. They tried in 2008 and again in 2014, walked back both times. Now they changed their Constitution in 2019 for a path to NATO membership and 69% of the population want it. That is progress. If we walk away from the former Soviet states trying to move to democratic capitalism all the investment and sacrifice of the Cold War and the Post-Cold War era were worthless.

As for racism, you were the one who said if it wasn't a white nation it would be a ****hole. Here is your quote:
"If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country." That is not racist? I showed how the US has worked with all nations all the way back to Korea to ensure democratic govts. You found that retro-weird and couldn't understand where I was going. I am weird????

What history and political science did you take? Because you seem to be devaluing everything that happened before 2010!

By the way, there are worse goals than being the "Shining City of the Hill."

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Debunked.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-propaganda-in-baltimore-sun/

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I am curious what you think your link debunked exactly.

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That's because you skimmed the first few paragraphs and didn't read the section addressing DeLong's article in detail. It's the part that's called "How bad can an epidemiology paper be?"

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Contrary to your assertions, I read the entire article, and the point remains. Gorski doesn't debunk the positive association between the two. It doesn't mean they are related of course, but it would be damn near impossible to argue that the current vaccine schedule - which has significantly increased since the 80s - and the higher autism rate have not coincided with one another. So again, I ask, what is it exactly you believe Gorski "debunked"?

BTW, I am quite familiar with Dave Gorski. He's the prominent vax proponent, blowhard and troll who got in trouble for being critical of a researcher who published concerns over the rush to get the COVID vaccine out - not because Gorski disagreed with the researcher's concerns and data, of course - but because he thought publishing those concerns - regardless of their truthfulness - would cause vaccine hesitancy. In short, he doesn't want the truth published because of the effect it might have on the public. Remarkable.

And that's the guy you're citing.

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So you read it but didn't understand it. Should have known.

BTW, almost everything in your second paragraph is a lie. The researcher in question was not concerned about the speed of the vaccine rollout, Gorski did disagree with his (lack of) data, and the only trouble that ensued was an unsuccessful attempt to harass Gorski into submission by emailing his chairman.

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Ah yes, your common retort when people call you out on your debunking bull***** Should have known.

As for Gorski, as usual you don't have your facts straight. Gorski, who isn't even an immunologist, attacked a real immunologist - Dr. Noorchashm - for questioning whether it was safe for those who've had COVID-19 (and therefore the antibodies associated therewith) to receive the vaccine, due to a myriad of reasons. He therefore suggested screening people before they received the vaccine to find out if they had the antibodies, and he put this suggestion in a letter to both the FDA and Pfizer. It was not a scientific study, nor did it purport to be, but was merely a letter of concern with a reasonable request that individuals be tested for COVID antibodies prior to receiving the vaccine.

His letter didn't receive much notice until Robert Kennedy mentioned it. Well, Gorski, being the internet blowhard, troll and vax-Nazi that he is (no wonder you like him) decided he would essentially libel Dr. Noorchashm online, not so much because of the content of the letter, but because Kennedy mentioned his letter. In short, Gorski wasn't really all that concerned with the potential negative ramifications mentioned in Dr. Noorchashm's letter, but was more concerned that, in his own words, Dr. Noorchashm's "idea had been co-opted by a leader in the antivaccine movement." Gorski admitted as much in his blog.

And of course Gorski - who loves to throw around the anti-vaxx moniker - labeled Dr. Noorchashm an anti-vaxxer when Noorchashm is anything but. He supports mass vaccination for COVID-19, albeit with testing for antibodies prior to getting the jab, and has been a strong supporter of vaccines throughout his career.

Those are the facts. Can't wait to read your bull**** spin.

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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MMR isn't a mRNA vaccine

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I know. Relevance?

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I think you are imputing complications of MMR (I haven't seen proof of autism caused by MMR) to mRNA vaccines. You've had a bad experience with a traditional vaccine and I think that colors your POV on all vaccines.

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My bad experience does indeed color my point of view, no question. But I am not saying the mRNA vaccines will have the same side effects as the MMR vaccine. I am instead suggesting a cautious approach toward them, especially by people who are not high risk to die from COVID.

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ATL Bear said:

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RMF5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country. A modest upgrade from Albania. Bad economy constantly needing IMF intervention. Using conflict and potential conflict as their ticket to more economic subsidies to see if they can pass Sudan on the GDP list. Nothing cheesier than military conflict cheese.

If you check the 'Merica ego at the door you can see this is a turd. And Let's not bring the Euro military jobs program for nations who haven't seen the business end of enemy weaponry since Hitler offed himself, otherwise known as NATO, into this charade. Let the bluster blow over. Russia just wants to keep Ukraine at baby brother status. Let's not break out the boots and bullets for a pet project of some State/DOD working group on Eastern Europe.

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Haven't we spent the past 75 years working to bring countries to democracy, personal choice and capitalism? Your racist comment is way off base or have you forgotten about Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, El Salvador, Taiwan, Phillipines, and several African countries none of which are white. This race-centric view of the world is a younger generation thing at least in foreign relations.

Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, East Germany,, Poland are all success stories of the Cold War. Millions of people have a better shot at a life, not perfect but better. What you propose leaves them at the mercy of thugs. But, I guess that means nothing today.

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Racist comment? Younger generation? That's a weird take.

We aren't resolving Cold War issues right now, and the fact you're referencing it and Soviet Containment nations in your statements above is retro-bizarre. I'd like to respond but I honestly have no idea where you're taking this. You want to champion our foreign policy or "shining city on a hill" approach in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, El Salvador, and in Africa? Oook.. Cold War success isn't defined by NATO membership, and Ukraine was oligarchic, weak and "thuggy" long before it was cool to hate Putin.

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Where do you think this stuff comes from a vacuum? It comes from past policies that build on one another. How quickly do you thing it takes to move nations, weeks? It is a long slow process. You don't move from communist to democracy in a year. The process you are describing is how it happens. "Thuggy" is all they know, it takes iterations to get there. They tried in 2008 and again in 2014, walked back both times. Now they changed their Constitution in 2019 for a path to NATO membership and 69% of the population want it. That is progress. If we walk away from the former Soviet states trying to move to democratic capitalism all the investment and sacrifice of the Cold War and the Post-Cold War era were worthless.

As for racism, you were the one who said if it wasn't a white nation it would be a ****hole. Here is your quote:
"If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country." That is not racist? I showed how the US has worked with all nations all the way back to Korea to ensure democratic govts. You found that retro-weird and couldn't understand where I was going. I am weird????

What history and political science did you take? Because you seem to be devaluing everything that happened before 2010!

By the way, there are worse goals than being the "Shining City of the Hill."

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How my statement was "racist" I won't understand, especially since it was tongue and cheek in the first place. Ukraine is a borderline 2nd world nation. That's reality.

How were we "working with nations" in Korea to ensure democratic governments? Are you referring to the defeat of Japan and that transition, or the War with China that led to the current state?

Vietnam's economic transition is China not US driven, so don't understand that reference. Wouldn't classify El Salvador as a foreign policy or Cold War success. Cuba is still Cuba, and boy could I talk about Africa with you, see where I'm going here? That's the weird part.

Ukraine can be Democratically capitalist on its own. But like every struggling to get there nation, the domestic futility is always scape goated on external problems (see Russia) etc. when inherent corruption in the political and economic system is the root cause. I see this in Africa often. And I'm not sure what you think was "walked back" in 2014, but the only thorn in Russia's side since they booted Yanukovych is NATO membership. So why are you willing to go to war over that? Do we really need weapon systems closer to Russia? We are free with or without NATO to defend Ukraine if we want to, but why and I thought we'd have learned a few lessons in our more recent interventions by now.

I'm plenty old enough and experienced enough to know what and how the Cold War gains were made and our subsequent approaches to influence and maintain them. That experience has borne out that we are best served as productive economic partners and not foreign interlopers with the best guns. We can negotiate NATO out of the picture for now and everyone be better off for it.

Feel free to discuss bona fides in PM if needed. I'm not a greenhorn.