So something interesting that could be developing at the UN: Ukraine appears to be laying the groundwork to challenge whether the Russian Federation is the legitimate successor to the USSR’s seat and veto on the Security Council
— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) February 24, 2022
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Russia was not threatened by NATO or Ukraine. Its invasion of the sovereign state next door is a war of choice, conjured out of nothing by Vladimir Putin. History will judge him harshly https://t.co/2xfOKB5uWh
— The Economist (@TheEconomist) February 24, 2022
— Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine) February 24, 2022
Our basement in Kyiv now filling up with families with small children. The kids are holding colouring books. Heartbreaking
— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) February 24, 2022
1/ Putin’s decision to invade is an evil, panicked move of weakness and will be his defining mistake. The Ukrainian people will fight for as long as it takes to secure their nation from this foreign tyrant, and the United States will stand with them in this fight.
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) February 24, 2022
RUSSIA'S RUBLE SINKS TO RECORD LOW VS DOLLAR IN INTERBANK TRADE
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) February 24, 2022
Never trust the Kremlin, no matter who occupies it. https://t.co/jXIM4CCu77
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) February 24, 2022
Runways at all closed airports are blocked by tractors to prevent possible landing of aircraft with landing - information from places pic.twitter.com/1sdIEDBZzX
— ZOKA (@200_zoka) February 23, 2022
BREAKING: Ukraine's military says 5 enemy planes and a helicopter shot down in country's east
— BNO News (@BNONews) February 24, 2022
Who else thinks the U.S. should REVOKE the broadcast license for Russia Today, Putin’s propaganda arm here? ✋
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) February 23, 2022
Day 35
Heck of a bluff. We are a shadow of our former
self. Ours and past generations held and pushed the line for 65 years. The current generations are sickening. Ukraine trusted liberals. The number of people screaming how nations are not worth helping defend from tyrants. Every free nation lost is a loss and the world is losing another one trying to move West.
If this group has their way. Korea would be all communist. Kuwait would be Iranian. Yugoslavia would still be in existence and communist. Soviet Union would still be in existence and Poland would be communist. Add up the number of people that are free to live their lives now, imperial empire my ass. But as long as we are not bothered, let Putin and Xi do what they want.
At my generation tried to do what was right, at least we tried.
Go read your far right isolationist crap to make you feel good. Patriots, right.
Heck of a bluff. We are a shadow of our former
self. Ours and past generations held and pushed the line for 65 years. The current generations are sickening. Ukraine trusted liberals. The number of people screaming how nations are not worth helping defend from tyrants. Every free nation lost is a loss and the world is losing another one trying to move West.
If this group has their way. Korea would be all communist. Kuwait would be Iranian. Yugoslavia would still be in existence and communist. Soviet Union would still be in existence and Poland would be communist. Add up the number of people that are free to live their lives now, imperial empire my ass. But as long as we are not bothered, let Putin and Xi do what they want.
At my generation tried to do what was right, at least we tried.
Go read your far right isolationist crap to make you feel good. Patriots, right.
boognish_bear said:So something interesting that could be developing at the UN: Ukraine appears to be laying the groundwork to challenge whether the Russian Federation is the legitimate successor to the USSR’s seat and veto on the Security Council
— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) February 24, 2022
Interesting. But China and Russia will never let it happen.
Also watch the Ruble, sinking versus the dollar. China may step in and take advantage to stabilize the Ruble furthering its claim as becoming at least an alternative world's reserve currency. China wants that, would seem opportunity for China to extend influence in Russia right now. Good job Biden! He obviously went to the John Kerry/Obama school of Foreign Relations.
jupiter said:Many underestimated President Zelensky, the former late night comedian. He is no Ashraf Ghani. He did not run. He delivered a dignified speech to rally his nation to fight for their freedom. Astonishing. https://t.co/5tfADnzjDx
— Jennifer Griffin (@JenGriffinFNC) February 24, 2022
Not bad for a dictator.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
RMF5630 said:
Day 35
Heck of a bluff. We are a shadow of our former
self. Ours and past generations held and pushed the line for 65 years. The current generations are sickening. Ukraine trusted liberals. The number of people screaming how nations are not worth helping defend from tyrants. Every free nation lost is a loss and the world is losing another one trying to move West.
If this group has their way. Korea would be all communist. Kuwait would be Iranian. Yugoslavia would still be in existence and communist. Soviet Union would still be in existence and Poland would be communist. Add up the number of people that are free to live their lives now, imperial empire my ass. But as long as we are not bothered, let Putin and Xi do what they want.
At my generation tried to do what was right, at least we tried.
Go read your far right isolationist crap to make you feel good. Patriots, right.
What direct American interests are at stake here? Or what lesser interest is sufficient to send my kid to die for?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Be very, very careful over the next few days with military information. The Russians want to persuade Ukraine to surrender and they will use disinformation, fake video, fake photos.
— Anne Applebaum (@anneapplebaum) February 24, 2022
The Ukraine official social media account
Tag @Russia and tell them what you think about them
— Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine) February 24, 2022
boognish_bear said:
The Ukraine official social media accountTag @Russia and tell them what you think about them
— Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine) February 24, 2022
Yep, nothing scares a 70 year old former KGB agent like a hashtag or mean tweet!
Have we unfriended Putin yet?Jack Bauer said:boognish_bear said:
The Ukraine official social media accountTag @Russia and tell them what you think about them
— Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine) February 24, 2022
Yep, nothing scares a 70 year old former KGB agent like a hashtag or mean tweet!
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Anti-war protest in St. #Petersburg, Russia. pic.twitter.com/vbVMpC6kv4
— Ali Özkök (@Ozkok_A) February 24, 2022
This is insane to basically see a military fighter jet firing in a neighborhood. What possible strategic target is it going for?
fighter jet with air2ground missile shot into house pic.twitter.com/Zd0Es3YQsZ
— C4H10FO2P (@markito0171) February 24, 2022
What's insane is that it's like 100 feet off the deck, if that, which is incredibly dangerous (all jokes about the missile aside). It's also mostly unnecessary. Wasnt a window left in sight at the end of the video. If you've ever been near one after a fly by at that height it's awesome/scary/intense/insane.
At one point that plane is probably less than 30 feet off the deck unless those trees are HUGE. Might be the lowest I've ever seen one fire on a target.
At one point that plane is probably less than 30 feet off the deck unless those trees are HUGE. Might be the lowest I've ever seen one fire on a target.
boognish_bear: "This is insane to basically see a military fighter jet firing in a neighborhood. What possible strategic target is it going for?"
Basically, intimidation.
Basically, intimidation.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
quash said:RMF5630 said:
Day 35
Heck of a bluff. We are a shadow of our former
self. Ours and past generations held and pushed the line for 65 years. The current generations are sickening. Ukraine trusted liberals. The number of people screaming how nations are not worth helping defend from tyrants. Every free nation lost is a loss and the world is losing another one trying to move West.
If this group has their way. Korea would be all communist. Kuwait would be Iranian. Yugoslavia would still be in existence and communist. Soviet Union would still be in existence and Poland would be communist. Add up the number of people that are free to live their lives now, imperial empire my ass. But as long as we are not bothered, let Putin and Xi do what they want.
At my generation tried to do what was right, at least we tried.
Go read your far right isolationist crap to make you feel good. Patriots, right.
What direct American interests are at stake here? Or what lesser interest is sufficient to send my kid to die for?
That is not your call to approve the reasons. Or are you now going to renounce American citizenship if the decision goes against your belief? Leave the US because you don't believe Biden is "your" President?
But, you want your kid to not go. Have him not enlist or join. Really quite simple.
Or are you one that believes he should be able to take the college money and then feel he should be able to pick and choose when he goes.
If their is a Draft, not going to have a choice regardless of what you say. Or go to jail. Maybe buy him a condo in some place that isn't in favor of whatever war it is.
But none of this will co.e to pass. Aftetall, it is only Ukraine. Give it to Putin.
ORGANIC SANCTIONS
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) February 24, 2022
The Moscow economic picture is actually worse: the market is down > 70% in $ (since the ruble dropped).
Russian traders are saying (privately) that Putin is crazy & getting crazier. pic.twitter.com/pgEddd6hdG
Lauren Witzke, the Delaware GOP's candidate for Senate in 2020, has nothing but praise for Putin and "his Christian nationalist nation": "I identify more with Putin's Christian values than I do with Joe Biden." pic.twitter.com/oQ2nhlVGCR
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) February 24, 2022
Tommy might need to sit in a world history class at the local community college this summer
Sen. Tommy Tuberville says Russia is still a 'communist country' and is invading Ukraine because 'they need more farmland' https://t.co/kgC0SNrKDf
— Politics Insider (@PoliticsInsider) February 24, 2022
boognish_bear said:Lauren Witzke, the Delaware GOP's candidate for Senate in 2020, has nothing but praise for Putin and "his Christian nationalist nation": "I identify more with Putin's Christian values than I do with Joe Biden." pic.twitter.com/oQ2nhlVGCR
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) February 24, 2022
As a Republican and Christian, I have to say what the ****, Lauren???
Each party has its share of ditzes.
Kind of why the primaries matter.
Kind of why the primaries matter.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Doesn't have a clue of how things work, yet was running for president & I stupidly supported her!
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) February 24, 2022
The Ukrainian gov. is DEMOCRATICALLY elected (they got an actor) & they chose to get close to the West, & protection ag. predator Putin.
@TuslsiGabbard, read on the hist. of Poland. https://t.co/BUz9qfynOz
boognish_bear said:
Tommy might need to sit in a world history class at the local community college this summerSen. Tommy Tuberville says Russia is still a 'communist country' and is invading Ukraine because 'they need more farmland' https://t.co/kgC0SNrKDf
— Politics Insider (@PoliticsInsider) February 24, 2022
Russia is still communist, look at its leadership and actions. How long has Putin been in power??
Russia's billionaires have lost $39 billion in the last 24 hours https://t.co/XXLFebLKGM
— Bloomberg (@business) February 25, 2022
.@POTUS just announced very robust sanctions against Russia
— Eddie Fishman (@edwardfishman) February 24, 2022
Bottom line: these are indeed the "swift and severe consequences" that Biden warned about. Banking sector is the main target, but penalties go well beyond and cut across the commanding heights of Russia's economy
Investors suck nearly $200 billion out of Russian stocks during Ukraine invasion https://t.co/tmTEhxjlHF
— FORTUNE (@FortuneMagazine) February 25, 2022
She's actually somewhat better informed on what drives Putin than most of her critics.Jack Bauer said:boognish_bear said:Lauren Witzke, the Delaware GOP's candidate for Senate in 2020, has nothing but praise for Putin and "his Christian nationalist nation": "I identify more with Putin's Christian values than I do with Joe Biden." pic.twitter.com/oQ2nhlVGCR
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) February 24, 2022
As a Republican and Christian, I have to say what the ****, Lauren???
Russian (Slavic) orthodox identity is an enormous piece of the puzzle in front of us. The Rus fought against crusades by the Teutonic Order and the Livonian Order, proper crusades sanctioned by the Pope to destroy the Rus because it was Orthodox. In a proper intelligence estimate, there would be a inset section reminding the reader that the Baltic tribes were the last parts of Europe to convert to Christianity, and it happened after centuries of grinding warfare. After they were consolidated, the Teutons & Livonians persuaded the Pope to authorize a crusade against the Rus, to forcibly convert abandon Orthodoxy in favor of Catholicism. The Livonians were defeated at the "Battle on the Ice" by a Novgorod army led by Alexander Nevsky. The defeat so shattered the Livonians that they could not reconstitute and had to merge with the Teutons.
Nevsky then pivoted and offered fealty to the Mongol Empire, which accepted. Having secured his vulnerable eastern flank, Nevsky turned south & east to restore the Kievan Rus which had been devastated by the Mongols and secure the eastern flank of Orthodoxy. That work was not just successful. It was the foundation of the Russian state. Nevsky was canonized by the Orthodox Church.
So why did he cut a deal with the Mongols rather than the Teutons, Poles, or Hungarians, who were also feeling the full might of the Mongol Empire? Because the Mongols didn't care about culture or religion. They just wanted loyalty, and were happy to have an ally who would keep the various peoples of shatter zone of the Eurasian Steppe from forming up into viable threat. Everyone to the west of him, on the other hand, were Catholic principalities which had always sought to fundamentally change the Rus from Orthodox to Catholicism. (and it goes deeper than that, even the Russian alphabet is tied up with Orthodox tradition).
"the image of Alexander Nevsky is trusted and relatable to everyone. It has always been with Russia, safeguarding it. It supports and inspires our people in fateful periods of trial and in times of peace and, I am sure, will remain a great example of service to the Fatherland forever, for centuries to come."
--Vladimir Putin,
at the unveiling of the Nevsky Memorial, Pskov, 11 September 2021
If you want to understand what's driving Putin, study Alexander Nevsky.
Putin is trying to rebuild Mother Russia, of which Belorussia and Ukraine have for but the last 3 decades been a core part. He's trapped in romance of his own history.
But history is a fairly clear guide to what is driving current events in the former Kievan Rus.
From his 11 Sept 2021 speech, about Nevsky:
"Our people's sincere and deep love for him transcends from generation to generation. He is revered as a ruler who cared for the Fatherland with all his heart; as a talented commander and diplomat; and, without question, as a custodian of the faith and traditions of his native land, his fellow-countrymen and their spiritual and moral might.
He lived during the most challenging times in Russia's history when disappearance and loss of our statehood were close to becoming a tragic reality. Almost all principalities in Ancient Rus endured the devastating Horde invasion, while neighbours from the west were striving to conquer Novgorod and Pskov. Alexander Nevsky and his soldiers stood up mightily and impregnably to fight for what was the last frontier of the Fatherland.
They dealt a devastating blow to the Swedes on the Neva River, drove the invaders out of Koporye and achieved victory at Lake Chudskoye. It was a decisive victory, which stopped the offensive in its tracks and showed everyone, both in the West and in the East, that Rus was standing strong and there were people in the Russian land who were willing and ready to fight for it while showing no mercy for their own lives.:
The Battle on the Ice is what made Nevsky famous. His moniker "Nevsky" is not his surname. It refers to the Neva River which formed the lake on which he won the climactic battle. Pskov is the site of the battle which secured the peace for Mother Russia.
The symbolism here is quite striking.
RMF5630 said:quash said:RMF5630 said:
Day 35
Heck of a bluff. We are a shadow of our former
self. Ours and past generations held and pushed the line for 65 years. The current generations are sickening. Ukraine trusted liberals. The number of people screaming how nations are not worth helping defend from tyrants. Every free nation lost is a loss and the world is losing another one trying to move West.
If this group has their way. Korea would be all communist. Kuwait would be Iranian. Yugoslavia would still be in existence and communist. Soviet Union would still be in existence and Poland would be communist. Add up the number of people that are free to live their lives now, imperial empire my ass. But as long as we are not bothered, let Putin and Xi do what they want.
At my generation tried to do what was right, at least we tried.
Go read your far right isolationist crap to make you feel good. Patriots, right.
What direct American interests are at stake here? Or what lesser interest is sufficient to send my kid to die for?
That is not your call to approve the reasons. Or are you now going to renounce American citizenship if the decision goes against your belief? Leave the US because you don't believe Biden is "your" President?
But, you want your kid to not go. Have him not enlist or join. Really quite simple.
Or are you one that believes he should be able to take the college money and then feel he should be able to pick and choose when he goes.
If their is a Draft, not going to have a choice regardless of what you say. Or go to jail. Maybe buy him a condo in some place that isn't in favor of whatever war it is.
But none of this will co.e to pass. Aftetall, it is only Ukraine. Give it to Putin.
I'm an American citizen. I get to ask those questions that you refuse to answer.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
I know CNN & MSNBC never aired this, so I figured I would. Spot on, don't you think? pic.twitter.com/6V1vRKxP8p
— Justin Pulitzer Trades 🍊 (@JustinPulitzer) February 24, 2022
boognish_bear said:I know CNN & MSNBC never aired this, so I figured I would. Spot on, don't you think? pic.twitter.com/6V1vRKxP8p
— Justin Pulitzer Trades 🍊 (@JustinPulitzer) February 24, 2022
Trump was /is a jerk. AND he was 100% correct in the majority of his policy decisions.
quash said:RMF5630 said:quash said:RMF5630 said:
Day 35
Heck of a bluff. We are a shadow of our former
self. Ours and past generations held and pushed the line for 65 years. The current generations are sickening. Ukraine trusted liberals. The number of people screaming how nations are not worth helping defend from tyrants. Every free nation lost is a loss and the world is losing another one trying to move West.
If this group has their way. Korea would be all communist. Kuwait would be Iranian. Yugoslavia would still be in existence and communist. Soviet Union would still be in existence and Poland would be communist. Add up the number of people that are free to live their lives now, imperial empire my ass. But as long as we are not bothered, let Putin and Xi do what they want.
At my generation tried to do what was right, at least we tried.
Go read your far right isolationist crap to make you feel good. Patriots, right.
What direct American interests are at stake here? Or what lesser interest is sufficient to send my kid to die for?
That is not your call to approve the reasons. Or are you now going to renounce American citizenship if the decision goes against your belief? Leave the US because you don't believe Biden is "your" President?
But, you want your kid to not go. Have him not enlist or join. Really quite simple.
Or are you one that believes he should be able to take the college money and then feel he should be able to pick and choose when he goes.
If their is a Draft, not going to have a choice regardless of what you say. Or go to jail. Maybe buy him a condo in some place that isn't in favor of whatever war it is.
But none of this will co.e to pass. Aftetall, it is only Ukraine. Give it to Putin.
I'm an American citizen. I get to ask those questions that you refuse to answer.
You get to determine what you want to support? I guess you optionally pay taxes? Optionally pay fines and tickets? Optionally have a passport? Decide to not wear a mask on a plane? Yeah, you get to ask what we do as a nation! Ask away!
If we go to war, you get no choice just like the rest of us. You go, you go to jail or you leave. Keep pretending you get to choose what you do because tour an American. There is a price for citizenship.