Why be created in heaven that way to begin with, if God knows it's better this way? Then it would be perfectly logical, and perfectly consistent with loving omnipotence. Your thinking is just so limited and narrow. And you think you can judge an all-knowing God?TexasScientist said:Ok, so why not be created in heaven with that nature to begin with, if there is a loving omnipotent god? It's not consistent with logic.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:We will have a new nature with new desires. The desire to sin will be no more. It doesn't mean our free will is taken away.TexasScientist said:Ok, tell me why you won't be a marionette in heaven. Will you be able to sin or have freewill in heaven? Will you be able to make choices there, or will you be dancing on a string? If you have the capacity to sin there, then your understanding of the purpose of the human condition is pointless. If you can't sin there, likewise the human condition is pointless.JXL said:TexasScientist said:So a loving god creates a world which imposes pain, suffering and tribulation, promising troubles, all for his pleasure? Why would he do that when he doesn't have to, unless he is not a loving god?JXL said:TexasScientist said:Canada2017 said:TexasScientist said:Canada2017 said:TexasScientist said:LIB,MR BEARS said:TexasScientist said:LIB,MR BEARS said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:TexasScientist said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:TexasScientist said:Coke Bear said:TexasScientist said:
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Maybe believers know that God never promised anyone a life free of troubles - quite the opposite in fact.
Because - as has been explained to you repeatedly - the alternative is to have marionettes lacking in free will. People have the power to make choices, including bad ones. It would hardly be "loving" to create puppets to dance on a string.
Right now you have the free will to eat a plate of dog poo, but you just don't have any desire to and you're completely disgusted by it (at least I hope). Its just not in your nature to want it. There's so many other things so much better to eat that you can choose from. That's what sin will be like to us with our new nature in heaven.
The whole idea of any religion is not consistent with what we know about the universe.
And you keep recycling your argument that "what we know about the universe debunks God and Christianity" despite the fact that I specifically challenged you on another thread to provide an example of this, and you failed - miserably. So why do you keep returning to a failed argument? Doesn't it concern you that it makes you look dumb, dishonest, or desperate?