Haley, DeSantis, Other?

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LIB,MR BEARS
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For the sake of this thread, let's assume Trump isn't running. Who would get your vote (assuming you are still living) in a republican primary?

If you will be dead, what dem gets your vote?
riflebear
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Desantis 100%

Trump needs to move on. He's going to destroy the GOPs chances if he runs again.
WacoKelly83
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Trumps on his revenge tour now. Desantis all the way. Not sure who would his running mate. Several good choices.
Osodecentx
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Anybody not named Trump.
Desantis, Youngkin, Haley, Pompeo, Sen Scott,
Forest Bueller_bf
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Osodecentx said:

Anybody not named Trump.
Desantis, Youngkin, Haley, Pompeo, Sen Scott,
All the above would get my vote. Preferred would be Desantis/ VP Haley

Only dem today that could ever get my vote would be Tulsi.
Mothra
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Osodecentx said:

Anybody not named Trump.
Desantis, Youngkin, Haley, Pompeo, Sen Scott,
All the above would get my vote. Preferred would be Desantis/ VP Haley

Only dem today that could ever get my vote would be Tulsi.
I like this one, but agree with the sentiment: anyone but Trump!
Redbrickbear
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Haley? You mean John McCain in drag?

Please no

And let's not forget she single handily started the anti-southern iconoclasm stuff back in 2015.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Here's my list:

1. Ron DeSantis
2. Tim Scott
3. Tulsi Gabbard
4. Donald Trump
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to F*** things up". - Barack Obama
Canada2017
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Osodecentx said:

Anybody not named Trump.
Desantis, Youngkin, Haley, Pompeo, Sen Scott,
All the above would get my vote. Preferred would be Desantis/ VP Haley

Only dem today that could ever get my vote would be Tulsi.
Ditto
EatMoreSalmon
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DeSantis would be my first choice.

Served in the House only 6 years, which is good by me. Long enough to know the place, but not long enough to be part of the quagmire there.

Governor is a good position to move from to the US Presidency in my opinion as well. Leadership ability established and executive experience.

I like Tim Scott. Not sure how he would do as an executive, but I'd take my chances with him before some others.

Nikki Haley has been a governor. That's in her favor.

Pompeo would be really good, as well. Proven leader with experience in diplomacy and military preparedness..
jdrs
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Would love a DeSantis/Scott ticket.
Harrison Bergeron
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I think it would be a great time to go crazy and have a DeSantis / Gabbard ticket. The country could benefit from a historical, bi-partisan ticket in the time of peak idiocracy.

Regardless of who runs, they're a racist, sexist, anti-islamic, homophobic, transphobic, animal hating, facist, national socialist, threat to democracy.
EatMoreSalmon
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Harrison Bergeron said:

I think it would be a great time to go crazy and have a DeSantis / Gabbard ticket. The country could benefit from a historical, bi-partisan ticket in the time of peak idiocracy.

Regardless of who runs, they're a racist, sexist, anti-islamic, homophobic, transphobic, animal hating, facist, national socialist, threat to democracy.
Don't forget "climate change denier."
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1. De Santis

2. Cruz

3. Gov. Hutchinson

4. Rush Limbaugh (because even a dead conservative is a better POTUS than any Democrat)
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
BearFan33
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DeSantis clear #1

I really hope Trump is done running for POTUS. Maybe he can run for the House or something if he still has the urge.

Haley yikes....she gives off serious RINO vibes.
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steele.

- tbp*

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D!
#FreeDale
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william said:

steele.

- tbp*

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

D!
Hahahahaha.

Kevin or Dale.

william
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

william said:

steele.

- tbp*

{ sipping coffee }

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D!
Hahahahaha.

Kevin or Dale.


the great man.

dale.

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dale2024.
#FreeDale
LIB,MR BEARS
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Oldbear83 said:

1. De Santis

2. Cruz

3. Gov. Hutchinson

4. Rush Limbaugh (because even a dead conservative is a better POTUS than any Democrat)

Limbaugh now votes democrat so I'm not so sure.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Oldbear83 said:

1. De Santis

2. Cruz

3. Gov. Hutchinson

4. Rush Limbaugh (because even a dead conservative is a better POTUS than any Democrat)

Limbaugh now votes democrat so I'm not so sure.
Blue star.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Oldbear83 said:

1. De Santis

2. Cruz

3. Gov. Hutchinson

4. Rush Limbaugh (because even a dead conservative is a better POTUS than any Democrat)

Limbaugh now votes democrat so I'm not so sure.
You get all the points for this one.
RMF5630
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

For the sake of this thread, let's assume Trump isn't running. Who would get your vote (assuming you are still living) in a republican primary?

If you will be dead, what dem gets your vote?
I think Haley is the ticket. Maybe Haley/Pompeo. There are a large group of people that will not vote for a headstrong, white male, just on principle. Haley makes it very tough for the Dems to attack on many of the areas they love to go. I think Haley destroys the Dem nominee. Trump is political poison, plus his backers will vote Haley.
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Haley/Tulsi
Oldbear83
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RMF5630 said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

For the sake of this thread, let's assume Trump isn't running. Who would get your vote (assuming you are still living) in a republican primary?

If you will be dead, what dem gets your vote?
I think Haley is the ticket. Maybe Haley/Pompeo. There are a large group of people that will not vote for a headstrong, white male, just on principle. Haley makes it very tough for the Dems to attack on many of the areas they love to go. I think Haley destroys the Dem nominee. Trump is political poison, plus his backers will vote Haley.
Don't overthink it. Biden and the Squad have reinforced the maxim that voters vote their wallets.

Anyone focused on economic independence and growth (the real kind) will get support, while the Democrats will nominate Michelle Obama then scream when she loses.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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DeSantis.

I don't think there's much need to consider anyone else. The Trump supporters would flow to DeSantis in large enough numbers to make the rest of the race just a contest for the VP slot.

I.E. DeSantis is sitting on approx 25%. What percentage of Trump's approx 60% would DeSantis have to receive to win? Answer: a third. At 45% support in what will likely be a crowded field, there wouldn't be enough votes left for anyone else to mount a credible challenge. (remember, primaries are winner take all = no runoffs.)

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
RMF5630
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whiterock said:

DeSantis.

I don't think there's much need to consider anyone else. The Trump supporters would flow to DeSantis in large enough numbers to make the rest of the race just a contest for the VP slot.

I.E. DeSantis is sitting on approx 25%. What percentage of Trump's approx 60% would DeSantis have to receive to win? Answer: a third. At 45% support in what will likely be a crowded field, there wouldn't be enough votes left for anyone else to mount a credible challenge. (remember, primaries are winner take all = no runoffs.)

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
Gotta keep in mind primary vs general. Trump may be able to win primary, but general? He brings alot of bad blood, distrust and motivation against him holding office again.

This could end up being a classic "could he vs should he?" If Trump runs, you will see a motivated progressive and Democratic base and will the Independents go to Trump after 2020? Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the turmoil he was involved with and his juvenile response is a negative to many, even if his loyalist don't want to admit it. The best you can say about his 2020 behavior is he acted poorly.

I still don't believe the January 6th Commission is legit or that Trump did anything to get him banned or prosecuted, but he did not handle the situation well and placed many in very tough situations. Poor Cassidy had to clean up the spaghetti before donning her cape and saving Democracy...
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RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

DeSantis.

I don't think there's much need to consider anyone else. The Trump supporters would flow to DeSantis in large enough numbers to make the rest of the race just a contest for the VP slot.

I.E. DeSantis is sitting on approx 25%. What percentage of Trump's approx 60% would DeSantis have to receive to win? Answer: a third. At 45% support in what will likely be a crowded field, there wouldn't be enough votes left for anyone else to mount a credible challenge. (remember, primaries are winner take all = no runoffs.)

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
Gotta keep in mind primary vs general. Trump may be able to win primary, but general? He brings alot of bad blood, distrust and motivation against him holding office again.

This could end up being a classic "could he vs should he?" If Trump runs, you will see a motivated progressive and Democratic base and will the Independents go to Trump after 2020? Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the turmoil he was involved with and his juvenile response is a negative to many, even if his loyalist don't want to admit it. The best you can say about his 2020 behavior is he acted poorly.
My concern about DeSantis is the Trump Taint, but if he is the Repub nominee, I'm in
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Osodecentx said:

RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

DeSantis.

I don't think there's much need to consider anyone else. The Trump supporters would flow to DeSantis in large enough numbers to make the rest of the race just a contest for the VP slot.

I.E. DeSantis is sitting on approx 25%. What percentage of Trump's approx 60% would DeSantis have to receive to win? Answer: a third. At 45% support in what will likely be a crowded field, there wouldn't be enough votes left for anyone else to mount a credible challenge. (remember, primaries are winner take all = no runoffs.)

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
Gotta keep in mind primary vs general. Trump may be able to win primary, but general? He brings alot of bad blood, distrust and motivation against him holding office again.

This could end up being a classic "could he vs should he?" If Trump runs, you will see a motivated progressive and Democratic base and will the Independents go to Trump after 2020? Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the turmoil he was involved with and his juvenile response is a negative to many, even if his loyalist don't want to admit it. The best you can say about his 2020 behavior is he acted poorly.
My concern about DeSantis is the Trump Taint, but if he is the Repub nominee, I'm in
I would like him to stay in Florida for another 4 years. The Dems are pushing hard here, he has been able to keep them under control. Scott was not as effective.

I do like Halley, I think she brings too many positives for the left to attack cleanly. Also, putting her on stage versus Kamala??? It is an ass-stomping but not one that will be negative. DeSantis on a stage ass-stomping Kamala on the issues makes her look sympathetic and him mean. Halley is just as tough, but can do it cleanly.
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whiterock said:

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
Pence is obviously a non-starter. He's too honest. Haley and Pompeo are pretty much the antithesis of the Trumpkins' supposed values, but that will make exactly zero difference. All that matters is talking a good game and having the Leader's blessing.
jdrs
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Just really ready to get to 2024. This Biden presidency is such a train wreck.
whiterock
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RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

DeSantis.

I don't think there's much need to consider anyone else. The Trump supporters would flow to DeSantis in large enough numbers to make the rest of the race just a contest for the VP slot.

I.E. DeSantis is sitting on approx 25%. What percentage of Trump's approx 60% would DeSantis have to receive to win? Answer: a third. At 45% support in what will likely be a crowded field, there wouldn't be enough votes left for anyone else to mount a credible challenge. (remember, primaries are winner take all = no runoffs.)

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
Gotta keep in mind primary vs general. Trump may be able to win primary, but general? He brings alot of bad blood, distrust and motivation against him holding office again.

This could end up being a classic "could he vs should he?" If Trump runs, you will see a motivated progressive and Democratic base and will the Independents go to Trump after 2020? Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the turmoil he was involved with and his juvenile response is a negative to many, even if his loyalist don't want to admit it. The best you can say about his 2020 behavior is he acted poorly.

I still don't believe the January 6th Commission is legit or that Trump did anything to get him banned or prosecuted, but he did not handle the situation well and placed many in very tough situations. Poor Cassidy had to clean up the spaghetti before donning her cape and saving Democracy...
original question implied primary. And the primary will not be particularly competitive. If Trump runs, he wins. If he doesn't, DeSantis wins. The next most viable alternative scenario to that is that DeSantis continues to strengthen enough to knock off Trump. That will be on the order of single-digit probability, but that will give Oso, et al enough to dream of unicorns & pixie dust. I continue to suggest that the assembled experts here recognize that a Trump-DeSantis ticket is the mostly likely outcome of all, by an goodly margin.

When we look at the general, Trump is materially out-polling DeSantis, consistently outside the margin of error. He's also outpolling the two most likely Democrat candidates, by similar or greater margins.

None of that is saying what should/ought.
Saying what is and therefore what is most likely to be.

Trump is going to run stronger in the general than most here realize. He will be a juggernaut all the way thru to the WH. The legislative package Manchin just signed on to virtually guarantees it. You cannot continue to deficit spend while simultaneously raising taxes in the midst of an economy mired in historically bad stagflation and expect the economy to rebound your direction. In fact, the new green energy package is a recognition of that....Dems know their time is passing and they will spend the rest of it hammering thru their wish list, to make the GOP spend all its energy undoing it all over the 2022-2026 period. The war in Ukraine will drag on for at LEAST another 6-12 months, further stifling economic recovery around the world. So the US economy is going to get worse and worse and Dems will have nothing to run on. Even a new pandemic won't help them, given the way they mismanaged Covid. In the face of that, they will face a slashing populist with the right ideas who has exactly the kind of record of success needed to exploit the dynamics of the cycle..

2024 will better match Trump's skills than 2016.
Trump critics are completely misreading the landscape.
That's what happens when one lets their hopes lead their logic.
J.R.
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Trump has no chance and shouldn't. NO WAY. Need to hear more from the folks mentioned on the OP.
RMF5630
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whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

DeSantis.

I don't think there's much need to consider anyone else. The Trump supporters would flow to DeSantis in large enough numbers to make the rest of the race just a contest for the VP slot.

I.E. DeSantis is sitting on approx 25%. What percentage of Trump's approx 60% would DeSantis have to receive to win? Answer: a third. At 45% support in what will likely be a crowded field, there wouldn't be enough votes left for anyone else to mount a credible challenge. (remember, primaries are winner take all = no runoffs.)

So who here thinks more than 2/3rds of Trump supporters will flow to the likes of Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc......
Gotta keep in mind primary vs general. Trump may be able to win primary, but general? He brings alot of bad blood, distrust and motivation against him holding office again.

This could end up being a classic "could he vs should he?" If Trump runs, you will see a motivated progressive and Democratic base and will the Independents go to Trump after 2020? Whether he is guilty of a crime or not, the turmoil he was involved with and his juvenile response is a negative to many, even if his loyalist don't want to admit it. The best you can say about his 2020 behavior is he acted poorly.

I still don't believe the January 6th Commission is legit or that Trump did anything to get him banned or prosecuted, but he did not handle the situation well and placed many in very tough situations. Poor Cassidy had to clean up the spaghetti before donning her cape and saving Democracy...
original question implied primary. And the primary will not be particularly competitive. If Trump runs, he wins. If he doesn't, DeSantis wins. The next most viable alternative scenario to that is that DeSantis continues to strengthen enough to knock off Trump. That will be on the order of single-digit probability, but that will give Oso, et al enough to dream of unicorns & pixie dust. I continue to suggest that the assembled experts here recognize that a Trump-DeSantis ticket is the mostly likely outcome of all, by an goodly margin.

When we look at the general, Trump is materially out-polling DeSantis, consistently outside the margin of error. He's also outpolling the two most likely Democrat candidates, by similar or greater margins.

None of that is saying what should/ought.
Saying what is and therefore what is most likely to be.

Trump is going to run stronger in the general than most here realize. He will be a juggernaut all the way thru to the WH. The legislative package Manchin just signed on to virtually guarantees it. You cannot continue to deficit spend while simultaneously raising taxes in the midst of an economy mired in historically bad stagflation and expect the economy to rebound your direction. In fact, the new green energy package is a recognition of that....Dems know their time is passing and they will spend the rest of it hammering thru their wish list, to make the GOP spend all its energy undoing it all over the 2022-2026 period. The war in Ukraine will drag on for at LEAST another 6-12 months, further stifling economic recovery around the world. So the US economy is going to get worse and worse and Dems will have nothing to run on. Even a new pandemic won't help them, given the way they mismanaged Covid. In the face of that, they will face a slashing populist with the right ideas who has exactly the kind of record of success needed to exploit the dynamics of the cycle..

2024 will better match Trump's skills than 2016.
Trump critics are completely misreading the landscape.
That's what happens when one lets their hopes lead their logic.

Is it worth the risk? Is it worth risking the National response not being a juggernaut? Is it worth the response being a run to the other side and giving the Dems four more years to implement this platform?
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Trump is going to win the nomination and the general in a landslide over Kamala. The real question is 'who will be Trump's VP.' This person will get 4 years OJT to prepare for 8 years of their own in the WH.
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ABC BEAR said:

Trump is going to win the nomination and the general in a landslide over Kamala. The real question is 'who will be Trump's VP.' This person will get 4 years OJT to prepare for 8 years of their own in the WH.
Sounds similar to the landslide win Trump was going to have over Biden in 2020.
 
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