If he is a troll, he has been doing it for a long, long time. He was on BaylorFans also for a number of years as well.historian said:
I wonder if he's trolling all of us. It certainly seems that way with some of the posts.
I'm wanting OldBear to answer that question. I agree that its heretical and unchristian. You don't have to judge someone's faith in order to be able to judge the view or statement being made.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
" only through the Son" is an interpretation and is open to interpretation.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
Because this site seems to count out other religions as worthy of belief. For the 4 billion who are not Christian what does "one way" mean? What about Christians who have a different interpretation of "one way"?
I see that the Bandwagon fallacy is in vogue today. No, your interpretation is not the "only interpretation'.
Followers of the Way do count out other religions as worthy of belief. They cannot follow the Way and hold that other religions are worthy of belief. For those who are not followers of the Way, it means that they do not have fellowship with the Father.
Christians don't have a "different interpretation" of the Way. It is a defining characteristic of the Way that fellowship with the Father is through the Son, and only through the Son.
Yeah, you judge people's faith. You have judged mine.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
Waco1947 said:" only through the Son" is an interpretation and is open to interpretation.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
Because this site seems to count out other religions as worthy of belief. For the 4 billion who are not Christian what does "one way" mean? What about Christians who have a different interpretation of "one way"?
I see that the Bandwagon fallacy is in vogue today. No, your interpretation is not the "only interpretation'.
Followers of the Way do count out other religions as worthy of belief. They cannot follow the Way and hold that other religions are worthy of belief. For those who are not followers of the Way, it means that they do not have fellowship with the Father.
Christians don't have a "different interpretation" of the Way. It is a defining characteristic of the Way that fellowship with the Father is through the Son, and only through the Son.
For instance, I interpret the way as the way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment
Waco1947 said:" only through the Son" is an interpretation and is open to interpretation.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
Because this site seems to count out other religions as worthy of belief. For the 4 billion who are not Christian what does "one way" mean? What about Christians who have a different interpretation of "one way"?
I see that the Bandwagon fallacy is in vogue today. No, your interpretation is not the "only interpretation'.
Followers of the Way do count out other religions as worthy of belief. They cannot follow the Way and hold that other religions are worthy of belief. For those who are not followers of the Way, it means that they do not have fellowship with the Father.
Christians don't have a "different interpretation" of the Way. It is a defining characteristic of the Way that fellowship with the Father is through the Son, and only through the Son.
For instance, I interpret the way as the way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment
Waco1947 said:Yeah, you judge people's faith. You have judged mine.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
JXL said:Waco1947 said:" only through the Son" is an interpretation and is open to interpretation.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
Because this site seems to count out other religions as worthy of belief. For the 4 billion who are not Christian what does "one way" mean? What about Christians who have a different interpretation of "one way"?
I see that the Bandwagon fallacy is in vogue today. No, your interpretation is not the "only interpretation'.
Followers of the Way do count out other religions as worthy of belief. They cannot follow the Way and hold that other religions are worthy of belief. For those who are not followers of the Way, it means that they do not have fellowship with the Father.
Christians don't have a "different interpretation" of the Way. It is a defining characteristic of the Way that fellowship with the Father is through the Son, and only through the Son.
For instance, I interpret the way as the way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment
Do you interpret "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the Father but by Me" as meaning something other than what it plainly says? If so, what? I interpret the way as the way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment as Jesus plainly says
D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Yeah, you judge people's faith. You have judged mine.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
He has judged your lack of faith, not your faith-Silliness He has judged as having no faith.
Waco1947 said:D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Yeah, you judge people's faith. You have judged mine.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
He has judged your lack of faith, not your faith-Silliness He has judged as having no faith.
The way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment as Jesus plainly saysD. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Yeah, you judge people's faith. You have judged mine.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
He has judged your lack of faith, not your faith-Silliness He has judged as having no faith.
You have offered nothing except "do your best to be good, then die." There is no faith in what you say.
Waco1947 said:The way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment as Jesus plainly saysD. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Yeah, you judge people's faith. You have judged mine.historian said:
Denying Christ is clearly unchristian. Denying the reality of sin is false doctrine & dangerous. I will not try to judge someone else's faith. Only God can do that.
He has judged your lack of faith, not your faith-Silliness He has judged as having no faith.
You have offered nothing except "do your best to be good, then die." There is no faith in what you say.
Waco1947 said:JXL said:Waco1947 said:" only through the Son" is an interpretation and is open to interpretation.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
Because this site seems to count out other religions as worthy of belief. For the 4 billion who are not Christian what does "one way" mean? What about Christians who have a different interpretation of "one way"?
I see that the Bandwagon fallacy is in vogue today. No, your interpretation is not the "only interpretation'.
Followers of the Way do count out other religions as worthy of belief. They cannot follow the Way and hold that other religions are worthy of belief. For those who are not followers of the Way, it means that they do not have fellowship with the Father.
Christians don't have a "different interpretation" of the Way. It is a defining characteristic of the Way that fellowship with the Father is through the Son, and only through the Son.
For instance, I interpret the way as the way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment
Do you interpret "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the Father but by Me" as meaning something other than what it plainly says? If so, what? I interpret the way as the way of love and we live out of that love. We, Christians'. are a people of the Way as command in the Great Commandment as Jesus plainly says
Harrison Bergeron said:
Is this:
1. It's not happening
2. It's happening and it's good
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OldBear, can we have an answer to this question?BusyTarpDuster2017 said:So, would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for Waco47 to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:1. Do you even know what the title "Christ" means? It refers to one person only, a specific person, 'anointed' by God for a specific purpose. It does not, and never has, meant someone who is one of many or just like other men who taught moral lessons. When used in context of Judaism, it has always referred to the Messiah, one man who intercedes for us with God the Father.Waco1947 said:
Because this site seems to count out other religions as worthy of belief. For the 4 billion who are not Christian what does "one way" mean? What about Christians who have a different interpretation of "one way"?
2. Jesus was always clear that following Him would mean being at odds with the world. It does not matter what most people want or like, being Christian means holding to Christ's teaching and commands even though they would be unpopular; Jesus even warned brothers would argue with brothers over him, and fathers with sons. There is only one way to serve Christ, and He was absolutely clear about that.
3. You may do as you see right. But if you deny Scripture in order to do what you want, then you make yourself your own god. Denying this truth will not change that it is so.
I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
Oldbear83 said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong.
I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
I am not attacking you, it's very much the other way around.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
It's "very much the other way around"?? How am I attacking you? For asking a question? Who have I "harassed"? The only post I've made recently in this thread is my question to you, that's it!Oldbear83 said:I am not attacking you, it's very much the other way around.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
I have explained several times that I do not see any Christian purpose in harassing someone in a forum, when you know full well all it will do is drive them to further denial and bitterness. I much prefer to try reasoning with that person and help them see for themselves the error in their thinking. Only that way can they be brought to agree that change is necessary.
If you cannot accept my posts as answers, put me on ignore and move on.
I have made my principles very clear.
If I've gotten honesty from you, I'd have an actual answer to the question, not avoidance of the question.Oldbear83 said:
BTD: " I just want honestly and clarity from people."
You have always had that from me. You rejected it because that is not what you want, judging from your behavior in this and other threads.
I have answered you fully and with courtesy. I will not, for your own sake, answer you further. For your own good I must put you on 'ignore', BTD.
Oldbear83 said:IBusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
I much prefer to try reasoning with that person and help them see for themselves the error in their thinking.
Isn't that what I'm doing? Why is it when I do it, it's "attacking" but when you do it, it's a good thing?Oldbear83 said:.... I much prefer to try reasoning with that person and help them see for themselves the error in their thinking.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
classic woke authoritarianism: "anyone who disagrees with me is attacking me."Oldbear83 said:I am not attacking you, it's very much the other way around.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
I have explained several times that I do not see any Christian purpose in harassing someone in a forum, when you know full well all it will do is drive them to further denial and bitterness. I much prefer to try reasoning with that person and help them see for themselves the error in their thinking. Only that way can they be brought to agree that change is necessary.
If you cannot accept my posts as answers, put me on ignore and move on.
I have made my principles very clear.
whiterock said:classic woke authoritarianism: "anyone who disagrees with me is attacking me."Oldbear83 said:I am not attacking you, it's very much the other way around.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
I have explained several times that I do not see any Christian purpose in harassing someone in a forum, when you know full well all it will do is drive them to further denial and bitterness. I much prefer to try reasoning with that person and help them see for themselves the error in their thinking. Only that way can they be brought to agree that change is necessary.
If you cannot accept my posts as answers, put me on ignore and move on.
I have made my principles very clear.
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:Isn't that what I'm doing? Why is it when I do it, it's "attacking" but when you do it, it's a good thing?Oldbear83 said:.... I much prefer to try reasoning with that person and help them see for themselves the error in their thinking.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I don't know why you're attacking me. I simply asked a question. You still haven't answered it, despite what you're claiming. My question isn't attacking anyone. I'm not asking for any kind of common ground with you or anybody. I'm simply asking if you believe that to say homosexuality is not a sin and that Jesus isn't the only way is heretical and unchristian. I'm asking where you stand on principle. It's a fairly easy question to answer. So why are you avoiding it?Oldbear83 said:You have been answered many times, BTD. Your problem is that you only accept answers that play the puppet for you.BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I'm not seeing any post of yours that resembles an answer to the question. I think you are mistaken. Here is the question again: would you say that it's heretical and unchristian for a professed Christian to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that Jesus is NOT the only way?Oldbear83 said:
You had it yesterday 1t 7 PM, BTD.
I want people to grow and learn. You want to attack people you think are wrong. There is no common ground between us here. Please accept this fact and move on.
