Understanding LGBTQ sexuality

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Waco1947
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Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
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Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
A minister from a bonafide School of Theology would not make that contextual mistake you just did, Waco.
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Waco1947 said:

Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer grooming children:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-07-12/why-european-countries-are-rethinking-gender-affirming-care-for-minors

Funny how actual experts don't think butchering kids to treat mental illness is a good idea.
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Oldbear83 said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
A minister from a bonafide School of Theology would not make that contextual mistake you just did, Waco.
He spent more time studying child porn than Scripture.
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Waco1947 said:

Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
Just another practice and procedure advocated by the medical experts of the day, joining a long list including bloodletting, eugenics, forced sterilizations, frontal lobotomies.....

But hey, they're the experts.

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Waco1947 said:

Redbrickbear said:

Titus and Titus said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

Read this and learn.


My God man….that was hard to read.

Those poor boys.

Gender ideology is evil…always has been.

Another rotten fruit of the sexual revolution and the LGBTQ movement.
Explain why it is evil?
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Waco1947 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

D. C. Bear said:

Waco1947 said:

Not a misperception. You are intelligent DC but when it to to human sexuality you need an education in human sexuality.

You have a misinterpretation of scripture and sexuality. Your doctrine is getting in the way of your literacy about these issues. You call it mind reading on my but the fact is -- you call them delusional and abnormal.

It is hard to discuss with someone who apparently refuses to get educated.


It is harder still to discuss with someone who randomly claims that I have my views on individuals who mistakenly believe they are the opposite sex because I don't understand scripture properly when I am not using scripture at all in forming my views.

Again, we can scientifically identify whether a human being is male or female. If a human male says he is actually female then he is clearly wrong about that factual assertion. So, yeah, it is not normal for a human male to believe that he is actually a human female. This is no different from a human believing that he or she is a dog or a cat. There is nothing about scripture or doctrine or sexuality in this statement. This is simply logic. You are speaking out of ignorance about human sexuality and gender identity..

You like to accuse me of hating people. That is a false accusation. If you have friends or family members with a serious mental illness, it does not mean that you do not value them or love them to say that they are delusional or abnormal.

You like to accuse me of being "uneducated" on these issues. You know nothing of my knowledge of human sexuality. It seems that you believe that if some doesn't hate people and is educated then they cannot disagree with you. That is both incredibly arrogant and incredibly shallow on your part.

I hate to break it to you, but it is possible to not hate people, to be quite knowledgeable and educated on the topic and still not agree with you.

Do you disagree that it is scientifically rather routine to determine someone's sex? Certainly this is true in percentages in the very high 90s.

Again, if someone who is a male is actually a female, then it is not an injustice to women for him to compete in athletics against them.

If he is not actually female, then he is experiencing some kind of delusional thinking to believe that he is female.

You say it is "probably" unjust for women to be forced to compete against men. It follows logically (not theologically) because I "hate" someone, that it is also "probably," according to you, deluded thinking on his part to think that his actual sex is female.
The American medical association is my source of the science not your predujudice. Get real your facts and logic.

......

DC, you speak out of ignorance
The AMA is a political and advocacy group, not a scientific organization. Only 12% of practicing physicians are members of the AMA. They do not speak for the vast majority of doctors.

This small minority of doctors are usually ones who are advocating for their particular medical field, and since transgender affirming care is a money making business, it's really no surprise that the ones who make money off of it would would join together and try to throw their opinion behind the weight of the authoritative-sounding "American Medical Association" title in order to fool ignorant people like yourself that their opinion is a medical consensus.

I'll bet you're the kind of person that believes those "Best Doctors Lists" in magazines are actually the area's best doctors, and not just a scheme to advertise or sell more of the magazine's plaques. I have bad news for you.
Absolutely a stupid misrepresentation of of the AMA.


You "argue" from appeal to authority, emotion and by ad hominem attack, accusing me of "hating" people, but you do not answer very basic, logical questions.

Can a biological male actually be a female by virtue of cognition?

If yes, why do you say it is probably "unjust" for him to compete against women?

If no, why do you say that I "hate" people because I state a fact you agree is true?

Your refusal to answer these simple questions does not advance your argument, perhaps because your argument is self contradictory and answering these questions would force you to choose between being truthful and being faithful to your political allegiance.
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Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
So Paul "erases sexuality"? I guess he also erases Jews, Gentiles, slaves and free people?

What a terrible interpretation of scripture.

Paul didn't erase anything. Paul was simply stating that the societal divisions & hierarchy do not apply within the Body of Christ. He was saying that all people, regardless of social status, are equal in the Body of Christ. He was not saying that males are no longer males and females are no longer females... and he certainly NEVER said that there was anything else besides a male or a female.

If you care to actually read that verse in context, you will see that it has NOTHING to do with trans-insanity or gender identity madness.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Verse 29 makes it very clear that Paul is talking about divisions between members of the church, and that ALL are now considered part of Abraham's seed.
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Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
You are completely misuing this verse for your political agenda. He is simple saying "In Him", as believers in Christ, we all are one, born of the one Spirit. The Holy Spirit. It is proclaiming, God is not a respector of persons, but we are all of equal value in Christ Jesus.

This has nothing to do with the fact He made us only Male and Female physically. You cannot literally be this ignorant of the meaning of this scripture.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
You are completely misuing this verse for your political agenda. He is simple saying "In Him", as believers in Christ, we all are one, born of the one Spirit. The Holy Spirit. It is proclaiming, God is not a respector of persons, but we are all of equal value in Christ Jesus.

This has nothing to do with the fact He made us Male and Female only physically. You cannot literally be this ignorant of the meaning of this scripture.
and let's be clear here...

Paul was using the most basic and universally recognized distinction in history... male and female... to make his point of how we are unified in Christ. He was emphasizing the point by using something that NO ONE in history could ever deny... that men and women are unique and different from one another. Yet even with all of this obvious and undeniable differences, we are all equal in Christ.

Men do not stop being men, nor women being women; but in Christ we are unified and have equal status as children of God.

Only a fool or someone who is intending to use scripture for deception, would ever argue that Paul was erasing gender or sexuality. In this case, it appears that Waco1947 is just a fool.
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Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
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ScottS said:

Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
they should be fed a sandwich
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ShooterTX said:

ScottS said:

Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
they should be fed a sandwich
Preferably from Arby's of Chik-fil-A.
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how does this affect you?

Literally after giving birth...congrats vagina owners and lactating persons!

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Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
that is one way of looking at it..

He meant all who believe in Jesus Christ are equal in the eyes of the Lord, he did not mean we could make up genders beyond those designated by God.
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D. C. Bear said:

Waco1947 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

D. C. Bear said:

Waco1947 said:

Not a misperception. You are intelligent DC but when it to to human sexuality you need an education in human sexuality.

You have a misinterpretation of scripture and sexuality. Your doctrine is getting in the way of your literacy about these issues. You call it mind reading on my but the fact is -- you call them delusional and abnormal.

It is hard to discuss with someone who apparently refuses to get educated.


It is harder still to discuss with someone who randomly claims that I have my views on individuals who mistakenly believe they are the opposite sex because I don't understand scripture properly when I am not using scripture at all in forming my views.

Again, we can scientifically identify whether a human being is male or female. If a human male says he is actually female then he is clearly wrong about that factual assertion. So, yeah, it is not normal for a human male to believe that he is actually a human female. This is no different from a human believing that he or she is a dog or a cat. There is nothing about scripture or doctrine or sexuality in this statement. This is simply logic. You are speaking out of ignorance about human sexuality and gender identity..

You like to accuse me of hating people. That is a false accusation. If you have friends or family members with a serious mental illness, it does not mean that you do not value them or love them to say that they are delusional or abnormal.

You like to accuse me of being "uneducated" on these issues. You know nothing of my knowledge of human sexuality. It seems that you believe that if some doesn't hate people and is educated then they cannot disagree with you. That is both incredibly arrogant and incredibly shallow on your part.

I hate to break it to you, but it is possible to not hate people, to be quite knowledgeable and educated on the topic and still not agree with you.

Do you disagree that it is scientifically rather routine to determine someone's sex? Certainly this is true in percentages in the very high 90s.

Again, if someone who is a male is actually a female, then it is not an injustice to women for him to compete in athletics against them.

If he is not actually female, then he is experiencing some kind of delusional thinking to believe that he is female.

You say it is "probably" unjust for women to be forced to compete against men. It follows logically (not theologically) because I "hate" someone, that it is also "probably," according to you, deluded thinking on his part to think that his actual sex is female.
The American medical association is my source of the science not your predujudice. Get real your facts and logic.

......

DC, you speak out of ignorance
The AMA is a political and advocacy group, not a scientific organization. Only 12% of practicing physicians are members of the AMA. They do not speak for the vast majority of doctors.

This small minority of doctors are usually ones who are advocating for their particular medical field, and since transgender affirming care is a money making business, it's really no surprise that the ones who make money off of it would would join together and try to throw their opinion behind the weight of the authoritative-sounding "American Medical Association" title in order to fool ignorant people like yourself that their opinion is a medical consensus.

I'll bet you're the kind of person that believes those "Best Doctors Lists" in magazines are actually the area's best doctors, and not just a scheme to advertise or sell more of the magazine's plaques. I have bad news for you.
Absolutely a stupid misrepresentation of of the AMA.


You "argue" from appeal to authority, emotion and by ad hominem attack, accusing me of "hating" people, but you do not answer very basic, logical questions.

Can a biological male actually be a female by virtue of cognition?

If yes, why do you say it is probably "unjust" for him to compete against women?

If no, why do you say that I "hate" people because I state a fact you agree is true?

Your refusal to answer these simple questions does not advance your argument, perhaps because your argument is self contradictory and answering these questions would force you to choose between being truthful and being faithful to your political allegiance.



Logical and informative post.



Unfortunately you are attempting to educate an individual who is unintelligent and only interested in justifying a deviant lifestyle.

For reasons only he knows for sure.


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These are some reasons the alphabet mafia are condemned for being evil.
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ShooterTX said:

More evidence that the "it doesn't affect your life" crowd is full of *****

The left are the ones who want a theocracy. They want to force everyone to follow the beliefs of the church of Wokeness. You will be forced into all of their religious practices including tithes to the democrat party (church leadership), public professions of faith & adherance to anti-blasphemy laws (especially on social media), and especially the sacrifices. Sacrificing children to their gods through abortion and trans supporting mutilations which inevitably lead to suicide.

Leftist theology is the most dangerous religion on the planet, and the only one that uses the full force of government to conquer societies.




It's neo-paganism or neo-Baalism. Reading Old Testament descriptions of those ancient evils are chilling and scary, especially considering how much our modern culture resembles them.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

historian said:

Thanks for reinforcing. I think I already did but it's a point worth repeating.
Sorry about that, I didn't see your post.

It's ok. I'm glad you said it again. If needs to be repeated often.
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Sad but true. Parents who refuse to discipline their children deserve much blame for the monsters they often become.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.

This is either incredibly ignorant or deeply blasphemous. Paul did not erase human sexuality. He was arguing that there is no distinction based upon nationality or sex. In God's eyes, all are equal. Numerous scriptures in both Old and New Testaments stress that with God there is no partiality.

This is the basis for the phrases in the Declaration of Independence that "all men are Created equal" and the 14th amendment to the constitution guaranteeing "equal protection under the law."
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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Waco1947 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

D. C. Bear said:

Waco1947 said:

Not a misperception. You are intelligent DC but when it to to human sexuality you need an education in human sexuality.

You have a misinterpretation of scripture and sexuality. Your doctrine is getting in the way of your literacy about these issues. You call it mind reading on my but the fact is -- you call them delusional and abnormal.

It is hard to discuss with someone who apparently refuses to get educated.


It is harder still to discuss with someone who randomly claims that I have my views on individuals who mistakenly believe they are the opposite sex because I don't understand scripture properly when I am not using scripture at all in forming my views.

Again, we can scientifically identify whether a human being is male or female. If a human male says he is actually female then he is clearly wrong about that factual assertion. So, yeah, it is not normal for a human male to believe that he is actually a human female. This is no different from a human believing that he or she is a dog or a cat. There is nothing about scripture or doctrine or sexuality in this statement. This is simply logic. You are speaking out of ignorance about human sexuality and gender identity..

You like to accuse me of hating people. That is a false accusation. If you have friends or family members with a serious mental illness, it does not mean that you do not value them or love them to say that they are delusional or abnormal.

You like to accuse me of being "uneducated" on these issues. You know nothing of my knowledge of human sexuality. It seems that you believe that if some doesn't hate people and is educated then they cannot disagree with you. That is both incredibly arrogant and incredibly shallow on your part.

I hate to break it to you, but it is possible to not hate people, to be quite knowledgeable and educated on the topic and still not agree with you.

Do you disagree that it is scientifically rather routine to determine someone's sex? Certainly this is true in percentages in the very high 90s.

Again, if someone who is a male is actually a female, then it is not an injustice to women for him to compete in athletics against them.

If he is not actually female, then he is experiencing some kind of delusional thinking to believe that he is female.

You say it is "probably" unjust for women to be forced to compete against men. It follows logically (not theologically) because I "hate" someone, that it is also "probably," according to you, deluded thinking on his part to think that his actual sex is female.
The American medical association is my source of the science not your predujudice. Get real your facts and logic.

......

DC, you speak out of ignorance
The AMA is a political and advocacy group, not a scientific organization. Only 12% of practicing physicians are members of the AMA. They do not speak for the vast majority of doctors.

This small minority of doctors are usually ones who are advocating for their particular medical field, and since transgender affirming care is a money making business, it's really no surprise that the ones who make money off of it would would join together and try to throw their opinion behind the weight of the authoritative-sounding "American Medical Association" title in order to fool ignorant people like yourself that their opinion is a medical consensus.

I'll bet you're the kind of person that believes those "Best Doctors Lists" in magazines are actually the area's best doctors, and not just a scheme to advertise or sell more of the magazine's plaques. I have bad news for you.
Absolutely a stupid misrepresentation of of the AMA.
Nope, he pretty much nailed it. It is a political organization that is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. If you really want to "follow the science," try citing a peer reviewed journal like The New England Journal of Medicine. There you will find that grooming isn't as cool as you think it is.

Honest question, how many dicks have you sucked?
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whitetrash said:

Waco1947 said:

Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
Just another practice and procedure advocated by the medical experts of the day, joining a long list including bloodletting, eugenics, forced sterilizations, frontal lobotomies.....

But hey, they're the experts.


And AMA learned from their errors. AMA is still respected.
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4th and Inches said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
that is one way of looking at it..

He meant all who believe in Jesus Christ are equal in the eyes of the Lord, he did not mean we could make up genders beyond those designated by God.
Our sexuality means nothing to God. Jesus and Paul say so. You have not proved me wrong.
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ScottS said:

Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.
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Waco1947 said:

whitetrash said:

Waco1947 said:

Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
Just another practice and procedure advocated by the medical experts of the day, joining a long list including bloodletting, eugenics, forced sterilizations, frontal lobotomies.....

But hey, they're the experts.


And AMA learned from their errors. AMA is still respected.
Whatever Groomer.
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Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.


When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.
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I'm sure now that 1947 has explained it to everyone, everyone in turn now understands it so much better.
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Waco1947 said:

4th and Inches said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

cms186 said:

historian said:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

There are no other options.
a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.

Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.

Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?

It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Galatians 3:28


New International Version



28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.

Paul erases sexuality and Jesus never asks about about someone sexuality.
that is one way of looking at it..

He meant all who believe in Jesus Christ are equal in the eyes of the Lord, he did not mean we could make up genders beyond those designated by God.
Our sexuality means nothing to God. Jesus and Paul say so. You have not proved me wrong.


You prove yourself wrong by your refusal to answer basic questions and rely instead on false accusations and you don't go beyond ad hominem attacks.

Can a biological male actually be a female by virtue of cognition?

If yes, why do you say it is probably "unjust" for him to compete against women?

If no, why do you say that I "hate" people because I state a fact you agree is true?

Answer these questions.
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Waco1947 said:

whitetrash said:

Waco1947 said:

Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
Just another practice and procedure advocated by the medical experts of the day, joining a long list including bloodletting, eugenics, forced sterilizations, frontal lobotomies.....

But hey, they're the experts.


And AMA learned from their errors. AMA is still respected.
they sure are!! By 12% of their own peer group they represent.
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D. C. Bear said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.


When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.


Trans people just need their minds healed.

Waco is much worse off….he needs his soul fixed
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Our resident troll thinks God & Paul are ok with perversion. Of course, he's wrong.

Here's what Paul said about it:

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:26-27

Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.

Here's what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law:

"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV

If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. He definitely was NOT ok with it.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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historian said:

Our resident troll thinks God & Paul are ok with perversion. Of course, he's wrong.

Here's what Paul said about it:

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:26-27

Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.

Here's what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law:

"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV

If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. He definitely was NOT ok with it.
yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument
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D. C. Bear said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.


When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.
The LGBTQ is not broken. The American Psychiatric Association does not them "broken" that appellation is simply your opinion and the AMA and APA do not back you up. Your being obtuse.

your speak from ignorance and continue to do so.
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