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The horror and I even heard that some dude in Virginia is married to one!

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The horror and I even heard that some dude in Virginia is married to one!

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The handful of establishment Republican virtue posturing fools like Flake and Sasse and McCain & such are not a significant piece of the party, and are vastly outnumbered by the new blood Trump has brought into the party. In 2016, fully a third of the delegates at the Texas GOP convention had never been involved in any party event before. Keep in mind, the Tx GOP convention is the largest political convention in the world, almost 9000 attendees, and it happens mid-week, so all these truckers & pipe fitters & such had to take vacation to attend. Trump literally inspired people who'd never been politically active before to engage, and it was the difference between success and failure.

I'm dead serious when I say the GOP neverTrumper crowd should join the Democrat Party. It's the Democrats who have left classical liberalism to embrace progressivism. It's the Democrats who have embraced socialism. It's the Democrats who embrace cancel culture. It's the Democrats who need to be moderated. So, seriously, please you and Romney and Team Moderate go moderate the Democrat Party for a change. If you are successful, we won't need DJT.

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You want a party of subjects, not citizens; followers of a person, not advocates for a country.

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Well, that certainly tells us you don't want a serious discussion on why so many regular people want Trump.

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Look at the most recent data on Trump supporters:
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My point exactly: subjects, not citizens.

I got tossed out of a patriot group, that I had been invited to, the third time I pointed out that patriotism was loyalty to country, not a temporary occupant of the WH.

I agree that the woke crowd needs rebuttal. I disagree with thinking that only MAGA can do it. In fact, the left has been a great job pointing out the silliness in grievance studies, CRT, etc. See New Discourses or the Sokal-like publications by James Lindsay et al.

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Democrats have miscalculated, believed their own propaganda, that identity politics was a winner.

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not really at all. On election dynamics, no risk whatsoever. Getting fired up over the contrived Russia Collusion hoax didn't pose a trap for Democrats, even when it was all proven by declassified documents to be a complete & utter lie. But it was very effective at thwarting/delaying parts of the Trump agenda and kept the "resistance" all motivated, greatly facilitating the recapture of the house. 2020 Election Fraud, beyond the fact that open eyes saw it happen real time, has the benefit of actually having real evidence and real court outcomes proving the allegations, and will definitely keep the MAGA base fired up for 2022 and beyond.

But that is not really what I was talking about. I was referring to the pseudo-reality of the social justice movement and cancel-culture. It is tyranny personified and the public will reject it for that reason alone, but on a macro scale it simply dehumanizes the individual. It literally is why Trump increased his percentages of vote share with Asians, Hispanics, Jews, women, etc......

Identity politics is a loser. GOP remains focused on policy outcomes for individuals. No matter what color your skin is or what you want to do with the anatomy you were born with, you still need a job, a car, a meal, shelter, and a better life for yourself and your family. Identity politics will shatter on the base of Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs. The only question is how much damage occurs before it happens.

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The danger exists because it's now clear that the GOP is afraid of alienating the identitarian alt-right, which includes white supremacists, anti-Semites, and others who are not very open to compromise. There are two possible results - either we go along and give them everything they want, or we lose them anyway but only after losing a lot of normal voters besides.

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I think you vastly overstate the dynamic on the right. White Supremacists are an infinitessimally small fraction of the electorate. Anti-semitism is a vastly larger problem on the left. (Read Bari Weiss' work).

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Bari Weiss would be the first to tell you that extremists aren't the whole issue. It's also the way extreme views seep into the mainstream. This analysis of the Capitol riot may surprise:

"On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more "normal" Trump supporters - middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right - joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

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The handful of establishment Republican virtue posturing fools like Flake and Sasse and McCain & such are not a significant piece of the party, and are vastly outnumbered by the new blood Trump has brought into the party. In 2016, fully a third of the delegates at the Texas GOP convention had never been involved in any party event before. Keep in mind, the Tx GOP convention is the largest political convention in the world, almost 9000 attendees, and it happens mid-week, so all these truckers & pipe fitters & such had to take vacation to attend. Trump literally inspired people who'd never been politically active before to engage, and it was the difference between success and failure.

I'm dead serious when I say the GOP neverTrumper crowd should join the Democrat Party. It's the Democrats who have left classical liberalism to embrace progressivism. It's the Democrats who have embraced socialism. It's the Democrats who embrace cancel culture. It's the Democrats who need to be moderated. So, seriously, please you and Romney and Team Moderate go moderate the Democrat Party for a change. If you are successful, we won't need DJT.

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You want a party of subjects, not citizens; followers of a person, not advocates for a country.

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Well, that certainly tells us you don't want a serious discussion on why so many regular people want Trump.

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Look at the most recent data on Trump supporters:
--91% of Trump voters would vote for him again

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My point exactly: subjects, not citizens.

I got tossed out of a patriot group, that I had been invited to, the third time I pointed out that patriotism was loyalty to country, not a temporary occupant of the WH.

I agree that the woke crowd needs rebuttal. I disagree with thinking that only MAGA can do it. In fact, the left has been a great job pointing out the silliness in grievance studies, CRT, etc. See New Discourses or the Sokal-like publications by James Lindsay et al.

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Democrats have miscalculated, believed their own propaganda, that identity politics was a winner.

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And Republicans are in danger of falling into the same trap.

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not really at all. On election dynamics, no risk whatsoever. Getting fired up over the contrived Russia Collusion hoax didn't pose a trap for Democrats, even when it was all proven by declassified documents to be a complete & utter lie. But it was very effective at thwarting/delaying parts of the Trump agenda and kept the "resistance" all motivated, greatly facilitating the recapture of the house. 2020 Election Fraud, beyond the fact that open eyes saw it happen real time, has the benefit of actually having real evidence and real court outcomes proving the allegations, and will definitely keep the MAGA base fired up for 2022 and beyond.

But that is not really what I was talking about. I was referring to the pseudo-reality of the social justice movement and cancel-culture. It is tyranny personified and the public will reject it for that reason alone, but on a macro scale it simply dehumanizes the individual. It literally is why Trump increased his percentages of vote share with Asians, Hispanics, Jews, women, etc......

Identity politics is a loser. GOP remains focused on policy outcomes for individuals. No matter what color your skin is or what you want to do with the anatomy you were born with, you still need a job, a car, a meal, shelter, and a better life for yourself and your family. Identity politics will shatter on the base of Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs. The only question is how much damage occurs before it happens.

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The danger exists because it's now clear that the GOP is afraid of alienating the identitarian alt-right, which includes white supremacists, anti-Semites, and others who are not very open to compromise. There are two possible results - either we go along and give them everything they want, or we lose them anyway but only after losing a lot of normal voters besides.

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I think you vastly overstate the dynamic on the right. White Supremacists are an infinitessimally small fraction of the electorate. Anti-semitism is a vastly larger problem on the left. (Read Bari Weiss' work).

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Bari Weiss would be the first to tell you that extremists aren't the whole issue. It's also the way extreme views seep into the mainstream. This analysis of the Capitol riot may surprise:

"On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more "normal" Trump supporters - middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right - joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

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The weakness in that analysis is that what we saw on Jan. 6 probably had more to do with the ordinary behavior of mobs than some political alliance between middle class, middle aged Trump supporters and the current iteration of the KKK.

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The handful of establishment Republican virtue posturing fools like Flake and Sasse and McCain & such are not a significant piece of the party, and are vastly outnumbered by the new blood Trump has brought into the party. In 2016, fully a third of the delegates at the Texas GOP convention had never been involved in any party event before. Keep in mind, the Tx GOP convention is the largest political convention in the world, almost 9000 attendees, and it happens mid-week, so all these truckers & pipe fitters & such had to take vacation to attend. Trump literally inspired people who'd never been politically active before to engage, and it was the difference between success and failure.

I'm dead serious when I say the GOP neverTrumper crowd should join the Democrat Party. It's the Democrats who have left classical liberalism to embrace progressivism. It's the Democrats who have embraced socialism. It's the Democrats who embrace cancel culture. It's the Democrats who need to be moderated. So, seriously, please you and Romney and Team Moderate go moderate the Democrat Party for a change. If you are successful, we won't need DJT.

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You want a party of subjects, not citizens; followers of a person, not advocates for a country.

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Well, that certainly tells us you don't want a serious discussion on why so many regular people want Trump.

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Look at the most recent data on Trump supporters:
--91% of Trump voters would vote for him again

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My point exactly: subjects, not citizens.

I got tossed out of a patriot group, that I had been invited to, the third time I pointed out that patriotism was loyalty to country, not a temporary occupant of the WH.

I agree that the woke crowd needs rebuttal. I disagree with thinking that only MAGA can do it. In fact, the left has been a great job pointing out the silliness in grievance studies, CRT, etc. See New Discourses or the Sokal-like publications by James Lindsay et al.

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Democrats have miscalculated, believed their own propaganda, that identity politics was a winner.

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And Republicans are in danger of falling into the same trap.

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not really at all. On election dynamics, no risk whatsoever. Getting fired up over the contrived Russia Collusion hoax didn't pose a trap for Democrats, even when it was all proven by declassified documents to be a complete & utter lie. But it was very effective at thwarting/delaying parts of the Trump agenda and kept the "resistance" all motivated, greatly facilitating the recapture of the house. 2020 Election Fraud, beyond the fact that open eyes saw it happen real time, has the benefit of actually having real evidence and real court outcomes proving the allegations, and will definitely keep the MAGA base fired up for 2022 and beyond.

But that is not really what I was talking about. I was referring to the pseudo-reality of the social justice movement and cancel-culture. It is tyranny personified and the public will reject it for that reason alone, but on a macro scale it simply dehumanizes the individual. It literally is why Trump increased his percentages of vote share with Asians, Hispanics, Jews, women, etc......

Identity politics is a loser. GOP remains focused on policy outcomes for individuals. No matter what color your skin is or what you want to do with the anatomy you were born with, you still need a job, a car, a meal, shelter, and a better life for yourself and your family. Identity politics will shatter on the base of Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs. The only question is how much damage occurs before it happens.

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The danger exists because it's now clear that the GOP is afraid of alienating the identitarian alt-right, which includes white supremacists, anti-Semites, and others who are not very open to compromise. There are two possible results - either we go along and give them everything they want, or we lose them anyway but only after losing a lot of normal voters besides.

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I think you vastly overstate the dynamic on the right. White Supremacists are an infinitessimally small fraction of the electorate. Anti-semitism is a vastly larger problem on the left. (Read Bari Weiss' work).

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Bari Weiss would be the first to tell you that extremists aren't the whole issue. It's also the way extreme views seep into the mainstream. This analysis of the Capitol riot may surprise:

"On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more "normal" Trump supporters - middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right - joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

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The weakness in that analysis is that what we saw on Jan. 6 probably had more to do with the ordinary behavior of mobs than some political alliance between middle class, middle aged Trump supporters and the current iteration of the KKK.

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It was neither a formal alliance nor a random gathering.

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The handful of establishment Republican virtue posturing fools like Flake and Sasse and McCain & such are not a significant piece of the party, and are vastly outnumbered by the new blood Trump has brought into the party. In 2016, fully a third of the delegates at the Texas GOP convention had never been involved in any party event before. Keep in mind, the Tx GOP convention is the largest political convention in the world, almost 9000 attendees, and it happens mid-week, so all these truckers & pipe fitters & such had to take vacation to attend. Trump literally inspired people who'd never been politically active before to engage, and it was the difference between success and failure.

I'm dead serious when I say the GOP neverTrumper crowd should join the Democrat Party. It's the Democrats who have left classical liberalism to embrace progressivism. It's the Democrats who have embraced socialism. It's the Democrats who embrace cancel culture. It's the Democrats who need to be moderated. So, seriously, please you and Romney and Team Moderate go moderate the Democrat Party for a change. If you are successful, we won't need DJT.

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You want a party of subjects, not citizens; followers of a person, not advocates for a country.

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Well, that certainly tells us you don't want a serious discussion on why so many regular people want Trump.

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Look at the most recent data on Trump supporters:
--91% of Trump voters would vote for him again

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My point exactly: subjects, not citizens.

I got tossed out of a patriot group, that I had been invited to, the third time I pointed out that patriotism was loyalty to country, not a temporary occupant of the WH.

I agree that the woke crowd needs rebuttal. I disagree with thinking that only MAGA can do it. In fact, the left has been a great job pointing out the silliness in grievance studies, CRT, etc. See New Discourses or the Sokal-like publications by James Lindsay et al.

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Democrats have miscalculated, believed their own propaganda, that identity politics was a winner.

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And Republicans are in danger of falling into the same trap.

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not really at all. On election dynamics, no risk whatsoever. Getting fired up over the contrived Russia Collusion hoax didn't pose a trap for Democrats, even when it was all proven by declassified documents to be a complete & utter lie. But it was very effective at thwarting/delaying parts of the Trump agenda and kept the "resistance" all motivated, greatly facilitating the recapture of the house. 2020 Election Fraud, beyond the fact that open eyes saw it happen real time, has the benefit of actually having real evidence and real court outcomes proving the allegations, and will definitely keep the MAGA base fired up for 2022 and beyond.

But that is not really what I was talking about. I was referring to the pseudo-reality of the social justice movement and cancel-culture. It is tyranny personified and the public will reject it for that reason alone, but on a macro scale it simply dehumanizes the individual. It literally is why Trump increased his percentages of vote share with Asians, Hispanics, Jews, women, etc......

Identity politics is a loser. GOP remains focused on policy outcomes for individuals. No matter what color your skin is or what you want to do with the anatomy you were born with, you still need a job, a car, a meal, shelter, and a better life for yourself and your family. Identity politics will shatter on the base of Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs. The only question is how much damage occurs before it happens.

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The danger exists because it's now clear that the GOP is afraid of alienating the identitarian alt-right, which includes white supremacists, anti-Semites, and others who are not very open to compromise. There are two possible results - either we go along and give them everything they want, or we lose them anyway but only after losing a lot of normal voters besides.

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I think you vastly overstate the dynamic on the right. White Supremacists are an infinitessimally small fraction of the electorate. Anti-semitism is a vastly larger problem on the left. (Read Bari Weiss' work).

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Bari Weiss would be the first to tell you that extremists aren't the whole issue. It's also the way extreme views seep into the mainstream. This analysis of the Capitol riot may surprise:

"On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more "normal" Trump supporters - middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right - joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

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The weakness in that analysis is that what we saw on Jan. 6 probably had more to do with the ordinary behavior of mobs than some political alliance between middle class, middle aged Trump supporters and the current iteration of the KKK.

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

EVENTS THIS WEEK

MONDAY (2/22)
MAGNOLIA - Guest Speaker (Daniel Miller, TNM President)
6:30PM-8PM
31355 Friendship Dr. - West Montgomery County Community Center

TUESDAY (2/23)
LEANDER - Guest Speaker (Daniel Miller, TNM President & Kyle Biedermann, State Rep)
7PM-8:30PM
1501 Leander Dr. - The Warehouse

SATURDAY (2/27)
CANTON - Flag Wave
1PM-3PM
SH-19 & I-20 Overpass

CORSICANA - Flag Wave
11AM-2PM
1977 W. 7th Ave. - Harbor Freight

GRANBURY - Flag Wave
11AM-2PM
735 East Road - Walmart

TOMBALL - Flag Wave
10AM-12PM
201 West Main St. - Tomball Farmer's Market

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

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What a waste of time. This going nowhere in the legislature, and even if Texas voted to leave the Union, it's not lawful to do so.

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Self determination is a human right.

So how is Texas going to be so much better off as a smaller country? If you think there won't be outside influence on government, think again. It was Enron's lobby influence over elected state legislators, and regulatory commissioners at the PUC and RRC that pushed Texas to electric deregulation. Enron wanted in that market. The recent weather debacle aside, deregulation has proven to be a colossal mistake in terms of the the rate payers in Texas. The non ERCOT parts of the state that remain regulated e.g. East Texas and the Panhandle part of the Southwest Power Pool, Laredo have had a the lowest rates since deregulation. So much so that in most legislative sessions, some of the legislators from the ERCOT service area (especially those who were aligned with Enron) who pushed us into deregulation try to force the remaining regulated areas of the state into deregualtion. That's how much of an embarassment deregualtion is for them. Now we have a disaster on our hands, with our hands out for Federal assistance to bail us out of a self inflicted catastrophy. There won't be any FEMA help for manmade or natural disasters.

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So how is Texas going to be so much better off as a smaller country? If you think there won't be outside influence on government, think again. It was Enron's lobby influence over elected state legislators, and regulatory commissioners at the PUC and RRC that pushed Texas to electric deregulation. Enron wanted in that market.
The recent weather debacle aside, deregulation has proven to be a colossal mistake in terms of the the rate payers in Texas. The non ERCOT parts of the state that remain regulated e.g. East Texas and the Panhandle part of the Southwest Power Pool, Laredo have had a the lowest rates since deregulation. This isn't true. Co-ops, munis and the Esat grid portions of Texas have higher rates. You have to shop for the lower rates. The part of Texas in the East grid had grid failures (Huntsville & Bryan). That is the Entergy part of Texas.

So much so that in most legislative sessions, some of the legislators from the ERCOT service area (especially those who were aligned with Enron) who pushed us into deregulation try to force the remaining regulated areas of the state into deregualtion. I'm not sure who is pushing to return to rate of return regulation (where the monopolies are guaranteed a 11% rate of return". Each rate case took years to complete. Generation in Texas under deregulated increased by 30%. We need to work on reliability.

That's how much of an embarassment deregualtion is for them. Now we have a disaster on our hands, with our hands out for Federal assistance to bail us out of a self inflicted catastrophy. There won't be any FEMA help for manmade or natural disasters. ERCOT and the PUCT don't have the legal tools to force generators to winterize their generating plants. Maybe that will change during this legislation.

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So how is Texas going to be so much better off as a smaller country? If you think there won't be outside influence on government, think again. It was Enron's lobby influence over elected state legislators, and regulatory commissioners at the PUC and RRC that pushed Texas to electric deregulation. Enron wanted in that market. The recent weather debacle aside, deregulation has proven to be a colossal mistake in terms of the the rate payers in Texas. The non ERCOT parts of the state that remain regulated e.g. East Texas and the Panhandle part of the Southwest Power Pool, Laredo have had a the lowest rates since deregulation. So much so that in most legislative sessions, some of the legislators from the ERCOT service area (especially those who were aligned with Enron) who pushed us into deregulation try to force the remaining regulated areas of the state into deregualtion. That's how much of an embarassment deregualtion is for them. Now we have a disaster on our hands, with our hands out for Federal assistance to bail us out of a self inflicted catastrophy. There won't be any FEMA help for manmade or natural disasters.

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I didn't say we'd be better off. However, I am all for having the ability to see what it might take to be better off.

Are you against self-determination?

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So how is Texas going to be so much better off as a smaller country? If you think there won't be outside influence on government, think again. It was Enron's lobby influence over elected state legislators, and regulatory commissioners at the PUC and RRC that pushed Texas to electric deregulation. Enron wanted in that market.
The recent weather debacle aside, deregulation has proven to be a colossal mistake in terms of the the rate payers in Texas. The non ERCOT parts of the state that remain regulated e.g. East Texas and the Panhandle part of the Southwest Power Pool, Laredo have had a the lowest rates since deregulation. This isn't true. Co-ops, munis and the Esat grid portions of Texas have higher rates. You have to shop for the lower rates. The part of Texas in the East grid had grid failures (Huntsville & Bryan). That is the Entergy part of Texas.

So much so that in most legislative sessions, some of the legislators from the ERCOT service area (especially those who were aligned with Enron) who pushed us into deregulation try to force the remaining regulated areas of the state into deregualtion. I'm not sure who is pushing to return to rate of return regulation (where the monopolies are guaranteed a 11% rate of return". Each rate case took years to complete. Generation in Texas under deregulated increased by 30%. We need to work on reliability.

That's how much of an embarassment deregualtion is for them. Now we have a disaster on our hands, with our hands out for Federal assistance to bail us out of a self inflicted catastrophy. There won't be any FEMA help for manmade or natural disasters. ERCOT and the PUCT don't have the legal tools to force generators to winterize their generating plants. Maybe that will change during this legislation.

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Dereg has been good for Texas

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Regulated Southwest Power Pool has historically had lower rates than unregualted ERCOT.

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I can't find their rates for the individual consumer. Do you have a link to the actual rate (cost per KwH to a residential consumer)?

Carlos Cruz said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

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What a waste of time. This going nowhere in the legislature, and even if Texas voted to leave the Union, it's not lawful to do so.

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This whole thing is likely an operation by the group behind Q or some other entity trying to undermine the US and stir up another 1/6 in either DC or Austin when it becomes clear even to the dupes who now think this can and happen, absolutely will not happen.

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Oh, boy. Maybe there are a lot of people who are tired to being ruled by unelected bureaucrats and an aloof political class thousands of miles away from Texas. It really is folly to dismiss people's legitimate political grievances and calling them "dupes" simply because you don't agree with their grievances or goals.

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Yeah and this organization has been around for 25 years, but the worse the country gets the more momentum it gains. This legislative cycle is the first time that there have been State Representatives publicly speak out in favor of it (or at the very least, in favor of giving Texans the right to vote on it).

TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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So how is Texas going to be so much better off as a smaller country? If you think there won't be outside influence on government, think again. It was Enron's lobby influence over elected state legislators, and regulatory commissioners at the PUC and RRC that pushed Texas to electric deregulation. Enron wanted in that market.
The recent weather debacle aside, deregulation has proven to be a colossal mistake in terms of the the rate payers in Texas. The non ERCOT parts of the state that remain regulated e.g. East Texas and the Panhandle part of the Southwest Power Pool, Laredo have had a the lowest rates since deregulation. This isn't true. Co-ops, munis and the Esat grid portions of Texas have higher rates. You have to shop for the lower rates. The part of Texas in the East grid had grid failures (Huntsville & Bryan). That is the Entergy part of Texas.

So much so that in most legislative sessions, some of the legislators from the ERCOT service area (especially those who were aligned with Enron) who pushed us into deregulation try to force the remaining regulated areas of the state into deregualtion. I'm not sure who is pushing to return to rate of return regulation (where the monopolies are guaranteed a 11% rate of return". Each rate case took years to complete. Generation in Texas under deregulated increased by 30%. We need to work on reliability.

That's how much of an embarassment deregualtion is for them. Now we have a disaster on our hands, with our hands out for Federal assistance to bail us out of a self inflicted catastrophy. There won't be any FEMA help for manmade or natural disasters. ERCOT and the PUCT don't have the legal tools to force generators to winterize their generating plants. Maybe that will change during this legislation.

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Dereg has been good for Texas

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Regulated Southwest Power Pool has historically had lower rates than unregualted ERCOT.

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Not if you live in Lubbock or Amarillo

Friend in Amarillo paying over $0.14 per KWh for residential service.
Friend in Lubbock paying $0.11 per KWh.

Both are in SPP and experienced rolling blackouts.

Booray said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

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What a waste of time. This going nowhere in the legislature, and even if Texas voted to leave the Union, it's not lawful to do so.

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This whole thing is likely an operation by the group behind Q or some other entity trying to undermine the US and stir up another 1/6 in either DC or Austin when it becomes clear even to the dupes who now think this can and happen, absolutely will not happen.

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Oh, boy. Maybe there are a lot of people who are tired to being ruled by unelected bureaucrats and an aloof political class thousands of miles away from Texas. It really is folly to dismiss people's legitimate political grievances and calling them "dupes" simply because you don't agree with their grievances or goals.

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Yeah and this organization has been around for 25 years, but the worse the country gets the more momentum it gains. This legislative cycle is the first time that there have been State Representatives publicly speak out in favor of it (or at the very least, in favor of giving Texans the right to vote on it).

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Just so my position on this is clear: if anyone on this site actually think TEXIT is a good idea, then F- you. You are a traitor and ungrateful for being blessed to live in the greatest country the world has ever known.

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Booray, I posted this much earlier in the thread. I'd like your thoughts.

"This is not MY Republican Party

This is not MY Democratic Party

This is not MY Episcopal church

This is not MY Baylor University

This is not MY drug-addicted spouse

This is not MY America

All of the things listed above provide opportunities to change or influence them in a positive manner and while in a position of deeper involvement. However, at a certain point, individuals will decide for themselves that the point of positive influence no longer exist and it is time to exit that relationship. It doesn't mean that the love is gone but, it may mean that the disgust outweighs that love."

What do you think?

Osodecentx said:

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Friend in Amarillo paying over $0.14 per KWh for residential service.
Friend in Lubbock paying $0.11 per KWh.

Both are in SPP and experienced rolling blackouts.

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There weren't any rolling blackouts in East Texas as I understand. It's been a while since I looked at rates, but I'll see what I can come up with when I get the chance.

Booray said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Booray said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

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What a waste of time. This going nowhere in the legislature, and even if Texas voted to leave the Union, it's not lawful to do so.

---

This whole thing is likely an operation by the group behind Q or some other entity trying to undermine the US and stir up another 1/6 in either DC or Austin when it becomes clear even to the dupes who now think this can and happen, absolutely will not happen.

---

Oh, boy. Maybe there are a lot of people who are tired to being ruled by unelected bureaucrats and an aloof political class thousands of miles away from Texas. It really is folly to dismiss people's legitimate political grievances and calling them "dupes" simply because you don't agree with their grievances or goals.

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Yeah and this organization has been around for 25 years, but the worse the country gets the more momentum it gains. This legislative cycle is the first time that there have been State Representatives publicly speak out in favor of it (or at the very least, in favor of giving Texans the right to vote on it).

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Just so my position on this is clear: if anyone on this site actually think TEXIT is a good idea, then F- you. You are a traitor and ungrateful for being blessed to live in the greatest country the world has ever known.

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Booray, I posted this much earlier in the thread. I'd like your thoughts.

"This is not MY Republican Party

This is not MY Democratic Party

This is not MY Episcopal church

This is not MY Baylor University

This is not MY drug-addicted spouse

This is not MY America

All of the things listed above provide opportunities to change or influence them in a positive manner and while in a position of deeper involvement. However, at a certain point, individuals will decide for themselves that the point of positive influence no longer exist and it is time to exit that relationship. It doesn't mean that the love is gone but, it may mean that the disgust outweighs that love."

What do you think?

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Two points.

First, I understand your point but think the premise is a severely flawed analogy. You can leave your marriage, but you can't make me leave mine. So if TEXITans want to break up, fine. Hit the road. Move to whatever Ayn Rand paradise you think is appropriate.

Second, those who are so fed up with America that they think such an earth-shattering change is necessary have no concept of how great their life is. They are the ones on opiates, not their spouse.

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On your first point; if your the spouse and the other spouse wants out, ya that can make you leave yours. That's a 50/50 vote and you still don't get your way.

Regarding your second point, I'm not arguing how great the US had been and, by comparison to other nations, how great it still is. The US is still the shining example to the world. It hasn't been that many years since people were able to make the same statements regarding Venezuela and South America.

If you can provide serious answers, how far does the US need to fall before a warning flag is raised? Can serious discussions about secession be seen as a warning flag?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Booray said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Booray said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

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What a waste of time. This going nowhere in the legislature, and even if Texas voted to leave the Union, it's not lawful to do so.

---

This whole thing is likely an operation by the group behind Q or some other entity trying to undermine the US and stir up another 1/6 in either DC or Austin when it becomes clear even to the dupes who now think this can and happen, absolutely will not happen.

---

Oh, boy. Maybe there are a lot of people who are tired to being ruled by unelected bureaucrats and an aloof political class thousands of miles away from Texas. It really is folly to dismiss people's legitimate political grievances and calling them "dupes" simply because you don't agree with their grievances or goals.

---

Yeah and this organization has been around for 25 years, but the worse the country gets the more momentum it gains. This legislative cycle is the first time that there have been State Representatives publicly speak out in favor of it (or at the very least, in favor of giving Texans the right to vote on it).

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Just so my position on this is clear: if anyone on this site actually think TEXIT is a good idea, then F- you. You are a traitor and ungrateful for being blessed to live in the greatest country the world has ever known.

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Booray, I posted this much earlier in the thread. I'd like your thoughts.

"This is not MY Republican Party

This is not MY Democratic Party

This is not MY Episcopal church

This is not MY Baylor University

This is not MY drug-addicted spouse

This is not MY America

All of the things listed above provide opportunities to change or influence them in a positive manner and while in a position of deeper involvement. However, at a certain point, individuals will decide for themselves that the point of positive influence no longer exist and it is time to exit that relationship. It doesn't mean that the love is gone but, it may mean that the disgust outweighs that love."

What do you think?

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Two points.

First, I understand your point but think the premise is a severely flawed analogy. You can leave your marriage, but you can't make me leave mine. So if TEXITans want to break up, fine. Hit the road. Move to whatever Ayn Rand paradise you think is appropriate.

Second, those who are so fed up with America that they think such an earth-shattering change is necessary have no concept of how great their life is. They are the ones on opiates, not their spouse.

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On your first point; if your the spouse and the other spouse wants out, ya that can make you leave yours. That's a 50/50 vote and you still don't get your way.

Regarding your second point, I'm not arguing how great the US had been and, by comparison to other nations, how great it still is. The US is still the shining example to the world. It hasn't been that many years since people were able to make the same statements regarding Venezuela and South America.

If you can provide serious answers, how far does the US need to fall before a warning flag is raised? Can serious discussions about secession be seen as a warning flag?

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I had no idea that America was "falling?" Can you explain by objective measures what you mean by that?

Booray said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Booray said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Booray said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Texasjeremy said:

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https://tnm.me/news/political/standing-room-only-at-texit-town-halls

Standing Room Only At TEXIT Town Halls

There is one absolute rule of thumb about the TEXIT Town Halls that are happening across Texas right now. If you want in, you'd better get there early.

New Braunfels
On January 18th, 2021, the New Braunfels Conservatives held a TEXIT Town Hall meeting that featured State Representative Kyle Biedermann and Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller. The meeting had more than 300 people in attendance, an overflow room for more, and dozens more had to be turned away at the door.

Orange County
On January 26th, 2021, Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller was the invited speaker for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Orange County Republican Party.

Limestone County
On February 2, 2021, the Limestone County Conservatives hosted a TEXIT Town Hall meeting featuring TNM President Daniel Miller. It was another overflow crowd and featured a lengthy Q&A.

More Events
TEXIT events are happening all over Texas right now. Speaking events, flag waves, and other outreach opportunities give you a chance to connect with the TNM and find out how you can help make TEXIT happen.

If you'd like to find out where we'll be next visit https://tnm.me/events

If you'd like to volunteer to help organize an event visit https://tnm.me/volunteer

If you are already part of an organization that would like to host someone from the TNM as a speaker visit https://tnm.me/speaker

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What a waste of time. This going nowhere in the legislature, and even if Texas voted to leave the Union, it's not lawful to do so.

---

This whole thing is likely an operation by the group behind Q or some other entity trying to undermine the US and stir up another 1/6 in either DC or Austin when it becomes clear even to the dupes who now think this can and happen, absolutely will not happen.

---

Oh, boy. Maybe there are a lot of people who are tired to being ruled by unelected bureaucrats and an aloof political class thousands of miles away from Texas. It really is folly to dismiss people's legitimate political grievances and calling them "dupes" simply because you don't agree with their grievances or goals.

---

Yeah and this organization has been around for 25 years, but the worse the country gets the more momentum it gains. This legislative cycle is the first time that there have been State Representatives publicly speak out in favor of it (or at the very least, in favor of giving Texans the right to vote on it).

---

Just so my position on this is clear: if anyone on this site actually think TEXIT is a good idea, then F- you. You are a traitor and ungrateful for being blessed to live in the greatest country the world has ever known.

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Booray, I posted this much earlier in the thread. I'd like your thoughts.

"This is not MY Republican Party

This is not MY Democratic Party

This is not MY Episcopal church

This is not MY Baylor University

This is not MY drug-addicted spouse

This is not MY America

All of the things listed above provide opportunities to change or influence them in a positive manner and while in a position of deeper involvement. However, at a certain point, individuals will decide for themselves that the point of positive influence no longer exist and it is time to exit that relationship. It doesn't mean that the love is gone but, it may mean that the disgust outweighs that love."

What do you think?

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Two points.

First, I understand your point but think the premise is a severely flawed analogy. You can leave your marriage, but you can't make me leave mine. So if TEXITans want to break up, fine. Hit the road. Move to whatever Ayn Rand paradise you think is appropriate.

Second, those who are so fed up with America that they think such an earth-shattering change is necessary have no concept of how great their life is. They are the ones on opiates, not their spouse.

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On your first point; if your the spouse and the other spouse wants out, ya that can make you leave yours. That's a 50/50 vote and you still don't get your way.

Regarding your second point, I'm not arguing how great the US had been and, by comparison to other nations, how great it still is. The US is still the shining example to the world. It hasn't been that many years since people were able to make the same statements regarding Venezuela and South America.

If you can provide serious answers, how far does the US need to fall before a warning flag is raised? Can serious discussions about secession be seen as a warning flag?

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I had no idea that America was "falling?" Can you explain by objective measures what you mean by that?

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Ig you tell me you think the country, overall is headed in the right direction, I will not bother wasting my time. If you tell me we are headed in the wrong direction, I'll make an effort this evening.