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If being down 23-0 at half to Duke doesn't wake some people up, nothing will. Rhule is simply in over his head and he hasn't even started conference yet. His best chance to win is now sadly next week against KU. Come real conference...it's gonna be ugly. These idiots at the top making decisions better take note as our fans are already not showing up and emptying the stadium before half.

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Empty stands will definitely get their attention. The BoR will notice, though I'm not convinced they will care

Dia del DougO said:

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bunation said:

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Unfortunately, with our BOR, a coach with Rhule's resume WAS the best we could hope to hire. That hasn't changed.

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By the time Baylor is ready to replace Rhule, Baylor will be a step down from UNT.

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UNT just beat Arkansas, and it was a butt-whipping. Zero chance Rhule could do that against an SEC team this year.

Oldbear83 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bunation said:

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Unfortunately, with our BOR, a coach with Rhule's resume WAS the best we could hope to hire. That hasn't changed.

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By the time Baylor is ready to replace Rhule, Baylor will be a step down from UNT.

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UNT just beat Arkansas, and it was a butt-whipping. Zero chance Rhule could do that against an SEC team this year.

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Tou-double-che!

Oldbear83 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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bunation said:

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Unfortunately, with our BOR, a coach with Rhule's resume WAS the best we could hope to hire. That hasn't changed.

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By the time Baylor is ready to replace Rhule, Baylor will be a step down from UNT.

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UNT just beat Arkansas, and it was a butt-whipping. Zero chance Rhule could do that against an SEC team this year.

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Agreed. Arkansas and Tennessee so far appear to be the weakest in their respective divisions. If what we've seen so far from Arkansas is typical, we might have a chance against them.

Missouri would be us about like Duke did. Tennessee would beat us by 14 points at least, and they'll probably improve. I've seen Kentucky; they'd put up 50+ points on Baylor. I saw a good of Vanderbilt vs. Notre Dame last week; Vandy has a solid defense and is probably 17-24 points better than BU.

And that's just the bottom group in the SEC.

I thought maybe the first game might be getting some of the kinks out and playing without a couple of starters. But the defense that gave up 40 to Duke in Waco doesn't look any better than the one that gave up 27 to Abilene Christian.

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Forest Bueller said:

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Like it or not, Rhule will get this year 2018 and then 2019 and 2020 to prove himself.

After that if a 7 or 8 win season hasn't been achieved it's time to part ways.

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We're going to lose a lot of games, and hear tons of excuses how it's somehow important to 'give Rhule enough time'.

Rhule's best win so far is Kansas last year, and now we're wondering if we will lose at home to Kansas.

That's not what you get with a competent head coach.

Not to be cruel, but the longer we keep Rhule, the more damage he will do.

It's time to make clear to Rhule to win or leave. No more excuses, no more patience.

He burned his 'honeymoon' when he lost to Liberty, now it's time to prove he isn't a fraud.

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I fear you are correct; and not just damage to the program, but also damage to some really good coaches' careers that he convinced to participate in his "process." The stench of losing is hard to wash off. If he doesn't somehow turn this thing around this year and win 3 or 4 more games, it would be doing everybody a favor to cut him loose. Even Rhule. At least then he would be able to tell people that the only reason he couldn't succeed at Baylor was because they didn't give him a chance. Someone in the G5 will give him a mulligan based on that. If BU keeps him and he continues to lose, he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

Now, if he manages to win 5 or 6 this year, and looks competitive at other times, then he's done enough to keep building.

Actually Temple was not God awful immediately prior to Rhule. In fact his two immediate predecessors left to become P5 HCs at Miami and BC. Rhule was the third in a row to get a P5 promotion..

The problem Malbec I dont see Baylor getting any better than it is now except perhaps marginally under Rhule. Giving him beyond this year will do damage to the program. The recruiting will taper off etc and then his successor really will be starting with no talent. We cannot afford to get off the rails like we did in the late 90s. We need to cut loose now and prevent the damage.

Also Rhoades will need a new HC and a dawning of a new era to help him pitch the reseating deal, unless that has been suspended indefinetly.

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Like it or not, Rhule will get this year 2018 and then 2019 and 2020 to prove himself.

After that if a 7 or 8 win season hasn't been achieved it's time to part ways.

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If nothing else, just because of the financial aspects of his 7 year contract, you are probably correct.

I'm becoming more fearful that Rhule may end up like GuyMo who got to hang around for 5 seasons, largely because he broke the long winless streak against the aggys in '04 (his 2nd season) and went 5-7 in '05 that included competitive over-time road losses to OU and the aggys. In other words, he just barely provided enough "positives" to keep a modicum of hope alive and keep him hanging around before having 2 more consecutive losing seasons, while going "0-fer" in the Big 12 in his 5th and last season. And from a financial standpoint, GuyMo didn't have anything like Rhule's contract.

So given our past history and the fact that we probably can't afford to buy Rhule out sooner, you're probably right. Unless Rhule leaves of his on accord, he's probably going to be here through at least 2020.

He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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Hell no.

Teaff and Briles won conference championships by then, if Ruhle does not win 4 + this year he's a fraud, if he does not go to and win a bowl by next year he's got to go

Oldbear83 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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bunation said:

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Unfortunately, with our BOR, a coach with Rhule's resume WAS the best we could hope to hire. That hasn't changed.

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By the time Baylor is ready to replace Rhule, Baylor will be a step down from UNT.

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UNT just beat Arkansas, and it was a butt-whipping. Zero chance Rhule could do that against an SEC team this year.

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But, UNT has WAAAAAAYYYYYY more talented players than we do.

/s

Really great post

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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I wish I had a boss like you.

Amen

I will help pay for it

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summaryjudged said:

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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Hell no.

Teaff and Briles won conference championships by then, if Ruhle does not win 4 + this year he's a fraud, if he does not go to and win a bowl by next year he's got to go

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What conference championship did Briles win at Baylor by his fourth season?

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Oldbear83 said:

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summaryjudged said:

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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Hell no.

Teaff and Briles won conference championships by then, if Ruhle does not win 4 + this year he's a fraud, if he does not go to and win a bowl by next year he's got to go

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What conference championship did Briles win at Baylor by his fourth season?

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The didn't-lose-to-a-cupcake championship.

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Russell Gym said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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summaryjudged said:

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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Hell no.

Teaff and Briles won conference championships by then, if Ruhle does not win 4 + this year he's a fraud, if he does not go to and win a bowl by next year he's got to go

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What conference championship did Briles win at Baylor by his fourth season?

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The didn't-lose-to-a-cupcake championship.

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Outstanding. After the scandal & next realignment, that will be our new conference home.

Russell Gym said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Russell Gym said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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summaryjudged said:

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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Hell no.

Teaff and Briles won conference championships by then, if Ruhle does not win 4 + this year he's a fraud, if he does not go to and win a bowl by next year he's got to go

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What conference championship did Briles win at Baylor by his fourth season?

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The didn't-lose-to-a-cupcake championship.

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Outstanding. After the scandal & next realignment, that will be our new conference home.

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At least losing to Liberty will seem more reasonable, once we share the same conference ...

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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UMM no. He guaranteed a bowl trip THIS YEAR. He lost to Liberty and UTSA. If he loses to Kansas as well that is just too much. There are not many jobs where you can make a guarantee, fail to deliver, and keep your job.

His departure needs to be considered now. Not in 2 more years when we have another 30 losses or more.

Agree. If we lose to KU. Rhoades needs to go to the Frank Broyles playbook and Jack Crow him Saturday night or Sunday morning. Rhoades needs to already have thought about who he will make interim from the staff to finish the season in case the season did go this way.

Way, way too premature Party. Way too premature.

Pale Rider said:

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Way, way too premature Party. Way too premature.

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Steele was fired way, way too late. Why should we not learn from our mistake?

Kipling writes in "The Lesson", "We have had no end of a lesson, it will do us no end of good."

Kipling is an optimist because he presumes people are willing to learn from their mistakes.

Pale Rider said:

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Way, way too premature Party. Way too premature.

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Well only because it is Wednesday and KU should be a win. Saturday night though it may not be premature.

Russell Gym said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Russell Gym said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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summaryjudged said:

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He needs 4 years minimum imo. Tired of the sky is falling stuff. If we arent bowling by year 4 then consider his departure.

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Hell no.

Teaff and Briles won conference championships by then, if Ruhle does not win 4 + this year he's a fraud, if he does not go to and win a bowl by next year he's got to go

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What conference championship did Briles win at Baylor by his fourth season?

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The didn't-lose-to-a-cupcake championship.

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Outstanding. After the scandal & next realignment, that will be our new conference home.

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First of all, there is no way that Baylor will be firing Matt Rhule any time soon--especially after they just extended his contract several years (reportedly with a huge buyout) AND the contract of the AD AND the contract of the university president. That much should be obvious.

Second, with all due respect to the OP, it would be difficult if not impossible to justify doing so given that he has already brought considerable success to Baylor football.

Consider just two points (I easily could make more):

Under CMR, Baylor football went form 1-11 to 7-6 (the best 1 year improvement in the nation) to 6-0 halfway through this season. That is stunning. Yes, the 1-11 was terrible but it was probably inevitable considering how he started: players & recruits abandoning Baylor like crazy. He spent his first months on the job frantically recruiting to fill in the holes and with amazing success.

We are now 6-0 for the 5th time this decade. According to ESPN stats posted in the past 24 hours, the only other schools to have done that are Alabama, Clemson & Ohio State.

Despite some legitimate concerns about play calling & many other decisions in individual games (especially yesterday?), the team is winning. It's hard to argue with success. What's more, we are likely to end this season with 8+ wins. It's unlikely to be 10 wins & a conference title in the mix, the team's preseason goal but that was never a real possibility this year.

My main point: despite some misgivings, Baylor football seems to be on an upward trajectory. There is no compelling reason now to do anything that might upset that.