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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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D. C. Bear said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

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D. C. Bear said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

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I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

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Immediately after your question are the applicable passages from Psalm 19 and Romans 1. The existence of God is self-evident to everyone who opens their eyes and pays attention.

It might not be the job of science to disprove the supernatural but it is the job of real science to prove their own theories or "assertions". If those assertions are contrary to God's word then any attempts to prove them are the same thing as disproving the supernatural.

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The job of science is not disprove the supernatural (although as a happy by product science dismisses superstition and the supernatural). Historian, you are trying to use science to prove the supernatural. Science could give a pfft about the supernatural.

it is the job of real science to prove their own theories or "assertions". If those assertions are contrary to God's word then any attempts to prove them are the same thing as disproving the supernatural.

Because supernatural entities (i.e. the "God" of conservatives) are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.

The realm of faith is not science but love as in God is love and You shall love God and your neighbor as yourself. This is purview of the Christian faith. Challenge me on the witness of love in our world but not superstition and the supernatural.
My faith stance stumps you because you want to engage in a nonsensical debate about the supernatural. I would invite you to consider and live into the love commandment and ways you and I can share the good news of Jesus Christ.
The invitation to love alongside me is somehow foreign to you but we are Christian brothers in the faith.

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And here we go again with the same incoherent, contradictory nonsense where you repeatedly reject the supernatural but then espouse concepts that are completely supernatural.

Time and time again you've been shown this, but your response is either to pile even more incoherent, contradictory nonsense on top, or you choose not to respond all, completely ignoring people's questions that illustrate the fact.

But you've invited a challenge to your "witness of love", so here's a start:

Question: Is "love" a product of physics, or is it beyond physics?

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Beyond physics. Love is here and now. For example Physics nor science can determine if you love your wife.

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If it's beyond physics, then it's supernatural. That's what supernatural means.

So you DO believe in the supernatural, correct?

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Premise 1 -- We have laws of nature and physics. True
Apparently You think it is God. therefore your conclusion is
Conclusion: A supernatural God created the laws and physics

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What and why is their origin? Again, prove that God created these laws and physics. Your proof is the Bible? Who says your supernatural is correct as opposed say to the Toltecs

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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And Waco even takes issue with some of the Pronouns He used.

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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And Waco even takes issue with some of the Pronouns He used.

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There a connection between denying the reality that a spiritual God created the physical universe and denying the physical reality of what He created.

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Moms for Liberty Co-Founder Tiffany Justice @4TiffanyJustice demolishing Joy Reid as she's failing to ambush Justice 🤣
Reid: "What is the expertise that you have to decide that an award winning book like 'All Boys Aren't Blue' isn't appropriate to read?"
Justice: "What a tragic… pic.twitter.com/ccsewiNHuY

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) January 20, 2024

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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And Waco even takes issue with some of the Pronouns He used.

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There a connection between denying the reality that a spiritual God created the physical universe and denying the physical reality of what He created.

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I believe Waco, like many humanists, deeply dislikes the implications of God's plan at work in our lives.

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Maybe a boy being r@ped by an adult is taken out of context....sounds like something 47 would defend.

Moms for Liberty Co-Founder Tiffany Justice @4TiffanyJustice demolishing Joy Reid as she's failing to ambush Justice 🤣
Reid: "What is the expertise that you have to decide that an award winning book like 'All Boys Aren't Blue' isn't appropriate to read?"
Justice: "What a tragic… pic.twitter.com/ccsewiNHuY

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) January 20, 2024

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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And Waco even takes issue with some of the Pronouns He used.

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There a connection between denying the reality that a spiritual God created the physical universe and denying the physical reality of what He created.

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I believe Waco, like many humanists, deeply dislikes the implications of God's plan at work in our lives.

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

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I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

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Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

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So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

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I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

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He does not believe God created anything. He's stated that on record. He does not believe the very first verse of the bible, at least the literal interpretation of it. Just fyi.

That's why I'm trying to pin down exactly what or who he believes God is, and what he can or can't do.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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historian said:

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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And Waco even takes issue with some of the Pronouns He used.

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There a connection between denying the reality that a spiritual God created the physical universe and denying the physical reality of what He created.

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

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Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

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So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

---

Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

---

So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

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Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

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I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

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I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

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Being a Christian is giving your life over to Christ. I have given my life over to Christ and that's not for you to judge. It's not a matter of doctor and it's a matter of faith

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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historian said:

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God literally spoke everything into existence.

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And Waco even takes issue with some of the Pronouns He used.

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There a connection between denying the reality that a spiritual God created the physical universe and denying the physical reality of what He created.

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Denying reality? What silliness. God is real.

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

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If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

---

Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

---

So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

---

Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

---

So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

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God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

---

Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

---

I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

---

I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

---

He does not believe God created anything. He's stated that on record. He does not believe the very first verse of the bible, at least the literal interpretation of it. Just fyi.

That's why I'm trying to pin down exactly what or who he believes God is, and what he can or can't do.

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Time and again I said God a little boy is spiritual for me to groom and love diddle.

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

---

If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

---

Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

---

So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

---

Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

---

So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

---

God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

---

Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

---

I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

---

I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

---

He does not believe God created anything. He's stated that on record. He does not believe the very first verse of the bible, at least the literal interpretation of it. Just fyi.

That's why I'm trying to pin down exactly what or who he believes God is, and what he can or can't do.

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Time and again I said God is spiritual and love.

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🚩 Grown man who dresses up as a woman teaches boys on tiktok who are confused about their identity how to “tuck” pic.twitter.com/TRTbywCYmp

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 20, 2024

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

---

If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

---

Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

---

So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

---

Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

---

So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

---

God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

---

Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

---

I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

---

I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

---

He does not believe God created anything. He's stated that on record. He does not believe the very first verse of the bible, at least the literal interpretation of it. Just fyi.

That's why I'm trying to pin down exactly what or who he believes God is, and what he can or can't do.

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Time and again I said God a little boy is spiritual for me to groom and love diddle.

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FIFY.

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🚨EXTREMELY GRAPHIC: This book called "Let's Talk About It" is available to middle school kids at @OCFSD.

The book teaches kids about how to m*st*rbate, encourages watching p*rn, and contains graphic depictions of s*x.

This is what they're giving 11-year-olds to read in… pic.twitter.com/BHdyVFucQu

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 25, 2024

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It is not possible, in process metaphysics, to conceive God's activity as a "supernatural" intervention into the "natural" order of events. Process theists usually regard the distinction between the supernatural and the natural as a by-product of the doctrine of creation ex nihilo. In process thought, there is no such thing as a realm of the natural in contrast to that which is supernatural. On the other hand, if "the natural" is defined more neutrally as "what is in the nature of things," then process metaphysics characterizes the natural as the creative activity of actual entities.

---

If you don't believe that there's a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, what exactly do you mean when you say you don't believe in the supernatural, that it is just a "superstition"?

I said, "in the realm of the natural there is no such thing as the supernatural." My understanding of the the natural is the that things and humans exist and science acts upon these entities. Humans. also, interact with the natural.
The "natural" is first and foremost science.
1. The natural is physics, biology, and chemistry
2. The natural is Entities like rock, dirt, tectonic plates, oceans, etc. Science acts on these.
3. The natural are beings who have a beginning date and expiration date, i.e. animals, fish, etc
4. Human beings who share some characteristics of sentient beings but have consciousness. I know yesterday, now, and tomorrow. We are of a different order - create language, writing.

Obviously, you ARE making such a distinction in order to say that you don't believe in it. What, then, is your definition of "supernatural" in this sense, that makes you think it is a superstition?

---

Thank you for your question and civility
At any rate more tomorrow

---

So in your belief, is God natural or is he beyond/outside the natural?

---

Natural but ,as in all things, what's the definition of natural? I go with the dictionary
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

---

So, going by your definition of "natural" that you outlined above, where you said that first and foremost it is science - your belief is that God is "natural" in that he is contained within science, i.e. biology, chemistry, physics, etc? You said "natural" are those things that are acted rotting upon
by science - so you believe science acts upon God?

---

God is spiritual. Science does not "act upon God". God is spiritual.
Science is the natural world. That's not God's domain. God is love and spiritual.

---

Everything is "God's domain" if you want to call yourself a Christian.

---

I answered love and spiritual. And I don't think you're in a position to determine, What is Christian.. Take care of your own faith.

---

I am in a position to determine "what is a Christian" at the level I am doing so here, and not because I am a Christian but because I am not an idiot and I know that being a Christian involves certain beliefs.

You don't get to say you don't believe in the supernatural and simultaneously claim to believe in a God who created the world and everything in it. These are irreconcilable positions. This doesn't even get into more specifically Christian theology.

---

He does not believe God created anything. He's stated that on record. He does not believe the very first verse of the bible, at least the literal interpretation of it. Just fyi.

That's why I'm trying to pin down exactly what or who he believes God is, and what he can or can't do.

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Time and again I said God is spiritual and love.

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So answer my question: since you believe God is outside the natural (i.e. God is not defined by or subject to science) doesn't that mean you believe he is supernatural?

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