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4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Waco1947 said:The LGBTQ is not broken. The American Psychiatric Association does not them "broken" that appellation is simply your opinion and the AMA and APA do not back you up. Your being obtuse.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.ScottS said:
Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.
your speak from ignorance and continue to do so.
The "them" in Romans 1 is referring to the people who rejected God.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Waco1947 said:
Of course the AMA is a lobbying group but they are medical experts first and foremost and they make clear their medical reasons for their stance. Bigots apparently don't like facts and prefer name calling and red herrings.
Waco1947 said:The LGBTQ is not broken. The American Psychiatric Association does not them "broken" that appellation is simply your opinion and the AMA and APA do not back you up. Your being obtuse.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.ScottS said:
Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.
your speak from ignorance and continue to do so.
bunch of pill pushing quacks..Waco1947 said:The LGBTQ is not broken. The American Psychiatric Association does not them "broken" that appellation is simply your opinion and the AMA and APA do not back you up. Your being obtuse.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.ScottS said:
Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.
your speak from ignorance and continue to do so.
it's not like he is a priestHarrison Bergeron said:Waco1947 said:The LGBTQ is not broken. The American Psychiatric Association does not them "broken" that appellation is simply your opinion and the AMA and APA do not back you up. Your being obtuse.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:Red herring. Besides, if you figure it out, you're a smart guy. Anorexics a broken people and God heals them.ScottS said:
Should anorexics be treated or affirmed?
When you are a man and think you are a woman, your mind is broken and needs to be healed.
your speak from ignorance and continue to do so.
This dude can't be around kids unsupervised, right?
Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Back when calling someone an old dead mans jizz was a compliment4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Glatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked
4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Glatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked
4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
There have been 3 or 4 post putting this into context. Look back one page. I'm certainly not going to repeat the context again as it has been properly addressed.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
In 2012 the APA reclassed transgenderism as not being a mental disorder with no scientific reasoning and under pressure from the homosexual community. There is no science behind this.Waco1947 said:you did not answer with any science or medical information. Get educated before using analogiesForest Bueller_bf said:Quit putting your bigoted thoughts in my mouth. YOU are the one on these forums that lumps people into generic groups and loves them or hates them according to your specific bigotry.Waco1947 said:Forest Bueller_bf said:47 you dehumanize people more than anybody on here.Waco1947 said:Forest Bueller_bf said:I've never heard that word before.Waco1947 said:
Troon - the moral equivalent to the n_word
: "A slur used by transphobes to refer to and dehumanize transgender women. The term is a portmanteau of the words 'trans' and 'goon,' and carries the connotation that those accused of being 'troons' are using gender identity to hide sinister and potentially violent ends." According to Harvard Cyberlaw Clinic instructor Alejandra Caraballo
Good lord how can any you call yourselves a good person
But please, sit on your judgement seat today as usual.
read back a few pages and you'll see it. Yeah, I will call out dehumanization
You put everybody that disagrees with you in the same basket and have literally no nuance about politics and interpersonal relationships.
You hear "maga" and see one homogenious group of individual who all think alike, so you can stand in condemnation of them.
I hear it and realize there are millions of completely different people, with completely different backgrounds, and completely different life directions and mindsets.
Your "differences " still hold that these young people and the LGBT community are abnormal or crazy or delusional, or mentally ill. Morality counts in the real world. People are people and are not encapsulated in your moral views. The world has moved on from these biases. Time to remember the love commandment you shall love the Lord, your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
I see every single person as an individual. And love every single person as an indivdual, not some made up "group".
I also think a person should wait until the adult age of 21 to do any type of major change to their bodies. A grown human being, making grown human being decisions, not little kids making those decisions.
Your bigotry, racism, and poverty of sprit are so appearant with every post you make, it is a chore even to respond to your foolishness.
It is a fact Gender Dysphoria resolves itself in 94% of individuals when they are allowed to go completely through puberty. Those who still want to make those major changes after they have become a young adult should be able to do so.
Good grief you can't even legally drink alcohol until age 21. You can't legally own a handgun until age 21. To do something with exponentially more gravity, such as altering your natural body, should also wait until at least age 21.
That's not science. That's a gobbledygook mixture of social commentary. What really happened was under social pressure, the psychological diagnosis went from a delusional psychosis treated for decades with therapy similar to schizophrenia to an arbitrary "emotional stress" condition. Suicide in this demographic has increased exponentially since then. The reason is the direction went from treating a mental condition to doubling down on the psychological conflict within the individual. This is a shameful situation of politicizing faux science for social purpose.Waco1947 said:
Science and Medicine Yet so many still post ignorance: The American Medical Association supports everyone's access to quality evidence-based health care regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To ensure that LGBTQ patients are not discriminated against in seeking the care they need, nor forced into medically un-sound programs, the AMA works diligently at the state and federal levels to expand access to medical services, reduce stigma in treating patients with unique needs and break down discriminatory barriers to necessary care.
LGBTQ so-called "conversion therapy"
So-called "conversion therapy" refers to any form of interventions which attempt to change an individual's sexual orientation, sexual behaviors or gender identity. Underlying these 'therapies' is the assumption that homosexuality and gender nonconformity are mental disorders and that sexual orientation and gender identity can be changed. This assumption is not based on medical or scientific evidence. Professional consensus rejects pathologizing homosexuality and gender nonconformity and evidence does not support the efficacy of changing sexual orientation.
"Conversion therapy" often includes unethical techniques including electric shock, deprivation of food and liquid, chemically induced nausea and masturbation reconditioning. These practices may increase suicidal behaviors and cause significant psychological distress, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, internalized homophobia, self-blame, intrusive imagery and sexual dysfunction.
The AMA opposes the use of "conversion therapy" for sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Talking points: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Coverage for gender-affirming care
Transgender patients often face discriminatory hurdles in accessing medically necessary health care services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria. As a population, transgender individuals are less likely to be insured than both the lesbian, gay, bisexual and general population. Among those that are insured, a national survey found that 25 percent of transgender individuals who sought coverage for hormones in the past year were denied and 55 percent of those who sought coverage for transition-related surgery in the past year were denied.
Improving access to gender-affirming care is an important means of improving health outcomes for the transgender population. Receipt of gender-affirming care has been linked to dramatically reduced rates of suicide attempts, decreased rates of depression and anxiety, decreased substance use, improved HIV medication adherence and reduced rates of harmful self-prescribed hormone use.
The AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria and opposes the denial of health insurance based on sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
Talking points: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
AMA Leadership: Everyone deserves quality medical care delivered without bias
Transgender individuals' access to public facilities
LGBTQIA+ health education
Understand how to advance health equity for LGBTQIA+ people, with CME from the Fenway Institute on AMA Ed Hub.
Start Now
For many transgender individuals, social transition is a critically important part of medically necessary treatment. Social transition involves living one's life fully in accordance with one's gender identity and typically includes publicly identifying oneself as that gender, adopting a new name, using different pronouns, grooming and dressing in a manner typically associated with one's gender identity and using restroom and other single-sex facilities consistent with that identity. Policies excluding transgender individuals from restrooms and other facilities undermine well-established treatment protocols for gender dysphoria, expose individuals to stigma and discrimination as well as potential harassment and abuse and impair their social and emotional development, leading to poorer health outcomes throughout life.
Transgender individuals face a greater risk of violence when using a public facility that does not correspond with their gender identity, including being verbally harassed, physically assaulted, or sexually assaulted when accessing a restroom. In addition, prolonged avoidance of the restroom can cause physical harm including dehydration, continence issues, kidney issues and urinary tract infections.
The AMA opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity, including the use of restrooms.
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your caseForest Bueller_bf said:There have been 3 or 4 post putting this into context. Look back one page. I'm certainly not going to repeat the context again as it has been properly addressed.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
Not faux science. Who should I trust on these issues: medical facts or your opinion?ATL Bear said:That's not science. That's a gobbledygook mixture of social commentary. What really happened was under social pressure, the psychological diagnosis went from a delusional psychosis treated for decades with therapy similar to schizophrenia to an arbitrary "emotional stress" condition. Suicide in this demographic has increased exponentially since then. The reason is the direction went from treating a mental condition to doubling down on the psychological conflict within the individual. This is a shameful situation of politicizing faux science for social purpose.Waco1947 said:
Science and Medicine Yet so many still post ignorance: The American Medical Association supports everyone's access to quality evidence-based health care regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To ensure that LGBTQ patients are not discriminated against in seeking the care they need, nor forced into medically un-sound programs, the AMA works diligently at the state and federal levels to expand access to medical services, reduce stigma in treating patients with unique needs and break down discriminatory barriers to necessary care.
LGBTQ so-called "conversion therapy"
So-called "conversion therapy" refers to any form of interventions which attempt to change an individual's sexual orientation, sexual behaviors or gender identity. Underlying these 'therapies' is the assumption that homosexuality and gender nonconformity are mental disorders and that sexual orientation and gender identity can be changed. This assumption is not based on medical or scientific evidence. Professional consensus rejects pathologizing homosexuality and gender nonconformity and evidence does not support the efficacy of changing sexual orientation.
"Conversion therapy" often includes unethical techniques including electric shock, deprivation of food and liquid, chemically induced nausea and masturbation reconditioning. These practices may increase suicidal behaviors and cause significant psychological distress, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, internalized homophobia, self-blame, intrusive imagery and sexual dysfunction.
The AMA opposes the use of "conversion therapy" for sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Talking points: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Coverage for gender-affirming care
Transgender patients often face discriminatory hurdles in accessing medically necessary health care services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria. As a population, transgender individuals are less likely to be insured than both the lesbian, gay, bisexual and general population. Among those that are insured, a national survey found that 25 percent of transgender individuals who sought coverage for hormones in the past year were denied and 55 percent of those who sought coverage for transition-related surgery in the past year were denied.
Improving access to gender-affirming care is an important means of improving health outcomes for the transgender population. Receipt of gender-affirming care has been linked to dramatically reduced rates of suicide attempts, decreased rates of depression and anxiety, decreased substance use, improved HIV medication adherence and reduced rates of harmful self-prescribed hormone use.
The AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria and opposes the denial of health insurance based on sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
Talking points: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
AMA Leadership: Everyone deserves quality medical care delivered without bias
Transgender individuals' access to public facilities
LGBTQIA+ health education
Understand how to advance health equity for LGBTQIA+ people, with CME from the Fenway Institute on AMA Ed Hub.
Start Now
For many transgender individuals, social transition is a critically important part of medically necessary treatment. Social transition involves living one's life fully in accordance with one's gender identity and typically includes publicly identifying oneself as that gender, adopting a new name, using different pronouns, grooming and dressing in a manner typically associated with one's gender identity and using restroom and other single-sex facilities consistent with that identity. Policies excluding transgender individuals from restrooms and other facilities undermine well-established treatment protocols for gender dysphoria, expose individuals to stigma and discrimination as well as potential harassment and abuse and impair their social and emotional development, leading to poorer health outcomes throughout life.
Transgender individuals face a greater risk of violence when using a public facility that does not correspond with their gender identity, including being verbally harassed, physically assaulted, or sexually assaulted when accessing a restroom. In addition, prolonged avoidance of the restroom can cause physical harm including dehydration, continence issues, kidney issues and urinary tract infections.
The AMA opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity, including the use of restrooms.
Waco1947 said:No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your caseForest Bueller_bf said:There have been 3 or 4 post putting this into context. Look back one page. I'm certainly not going to repeat the context again as it has been properly addressed.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
Waco1947 said:Not faux science. Who should I trust on these issues: medical facts or your opinion?ATL Bear said:That's not science. That's a gobbledygook mixture of social commentary. What really happened was under social pressure, the psychological diagnosis went from a delusional psychosis treated for decades with therapy similar to schizophrenia to an arbitrary "emotional stress" condition. Suicide in this demographic has increased exponentially since then. The reason is the direction went from treating a mental condition to doubling down on the psychological conflict within the individual. This is a shameful situation of politicizing faux science for social purpose.Waco1947 said:
Science and Medicine Yet so many still post ignorance: The American Medical Association supports everyone's access to quality evidence-based health care regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To ensure that LGBTQ patients are not discriminated against in seeking the care they need, nor forced into medically un-sound programs, the AMA works diligently at the state and federal levels to expand access to medical services, reduce stigma in treating patients with unique needs and break down discriminatory barriers to necessary care.
LGBTQ so-called "conversion therapy"
So-called "conversion therapy" refers to any form of interventions which attempt to change an individual's sexual orientation, sexual behaviors or gender identity. Underlying these 'therapies' is the assumption that homosexuality and gender nonconformity are mental disorders and that sexual orientation and gender identity can be changed. This assumption is not based on medical or scientific evidence. Professional consensus rejects pathologizing homosexuality and gender nonconformity and evidence does not support the efficacy of changing sexual orientation.
"Conversion therapy" often includes unethical techniques including electric shock, deprivation of food and liquid, chemically induced nausea and masturbation reconditioning. These practices may increase suicidal behaviors and cause significant psychological distress, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, internalized homophobia, self-blame, intrusive imagery and sexual dysfunction.
The AMA opposes the use of "conversion therapy" for sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Talking points: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Coverage for gender-affirming care
Transgender patients often face discriminatory hurdles in accessing medically necessary health care services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria. As a population, transgender individuals are less likely to be insured than both the lesbian, gay, bisexual and general population. Among those that are insured, a national survey found that 25 percent of transgender individuals who sought coverage for hormones in the past year were denied and 55 percent of those who sought coverage for transition-related surgery in the past year were denied.
Improving access to gender-affirming care is an important means of improving health outcomes for the transgender population. Receipt of gender-affirming care has been linked to dramatically reduced rates of suicide attempts, decreased rates of depression and anxiety, decreased substance use, improved HIV medication adherence and reduced rates of harmful self-prescribed hormone use.
The AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria and opposes the denial of health insurance based on sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
Talking points: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
AMA Leadership: Everyone deserves quality medical care delivered without bias
Transgender individuals' access to public facilities
LGBTQIA+ health education
Understand how to advance health equity for LGBTQIA+ people, with CME from the Fenway Institute on AMA Ed Hub.
Start Now
For many transgender individuals, social transition is a critically important part of medically necessary treatment. Social transition involves living one's life fully in accordance with one's gender identity and typically includes publicly identifying oneself as that gender, adopting a new name, using different pronouns, grooming and dressing in a manner typically associated with one's gender identity and using restroom and other single-sex facilities consistent with that identity. Policies excluding transgender individuals from restrooms and other facilities undermine well-established treatment protocols for gender dysphoria, expose individuals to stigma and discrimination as well as potential harassment and abuse and impair their social and emotional development, leading to poorer health outcomes throughout life.
Transgender individuals face a greater risk of violence when using a public facility that does not correspond with their gender identity, including being verbally harassed, physically assaulted, or sexually assaulted when accessing a restroom. In addition, prolonged avoidance of the restroom can cause physical harm including dehydration, continence issues, kidney issues and urinary tract infections.
The AMA opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity, including the use of restrooms.
Dude you are nuts. You have been given the context. YOU have to prove your case, I don't have to prove anything. You rail against the clear meaning of the bible all the time.Waco1947 said:No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your caseForest Bueller_bf said:There have been 3 or 4 post putting this into context. Look back one page. I'm certainly not going to repeat the context again as it has been properly addressed.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
is that not from a part discussing Divorce? (also saying that Divorce should never be lawful, but i guess its all cool now?)Forest Bueller_bf said:He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.cms186 said:a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.historian said:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
There are no other options.
Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?
It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
It is, but divorce is never cool. The Bible says divorce is allowed because of the hardness of our hearts.cms186 said:is that not from a part discussing Divorce? (also saying that Divorce should never be lawful, but i guess its all cool now?)Forest Bueller_bf said:He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.cms186 said:a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.historian said:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
There are no other options.
Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?
It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
cms186 said:is that not from a part discussing Divorce? (also saying that Divorce should never be lawful, but i guess its all cool now?)Forest Bueller_bf said:He could have quoted Jesus from Matthew 19:4 has he wished.cms186 said:a couple of takes from this, and please note, when i say "you", i mean it in the plural sense, not you personally, but you seem to talk a lot about the bible, but whenever there is a problematic point in the Old Testament (and there are several) you always say that you are a New Testament Christian, but you always pick and choose the bits from the Old Testament which suit your particular Agenda.historian said:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
There are no other options.
Ignoring that though, if you accept this particular quotation at face value and hold it as a honest belief, then surely you must be against any kind of Body Altering surgery? isnt that messing with Gods image? If God wanted you to have a Flat Chest or Wonky Teeth, or a Cleft Palate, or Astigmatism, shouldnt you then accept Gods image as it is and not cut off (or inject substances into) whatever parts of your body you want to?
Verse 4: "Have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female?
It's not really an Old vs. New Testament issue.
Feel free to drag out the medical facts that we can discuss. I'm telling you, you'll be disappointed.Waco1947 said:Not faux science. Who should I trust on these issues: medical facts or your opinion?ATL Bear said:That's not science. That's a gobbledygook mixture of social commentary. What really happened was under social pressure, the psychological diagnosis went from a delusional psychosis treated for decades with therapy similar to schizophrenia to an arbitrary "emotional stress" condition. Suicide in this demographic has increased exponentially since then. The reason is the direction went from treating a mental condition to doubling down on the psychological conflict within the individual. This is a shameful situation of politicizing faux science for social purpose.Waco1947 said:
Science and Medicine Yet so many still post ignorance: The American Medical Association supports everyone's access to quality evidence-based health care regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To ensure that LGBTQ patients are not discriminated against in seeking the care they need, nor forced into medically un-sound programs, the AMA works diligently at the state and federal levels to expand access to medical services, reduce stigma in treating patients with unique needs and break down discriminatory barriers to necessary care.
LGBTQ so-called "conversion therapy"
So-called "conversion therapy" refers to any form of interventions which attempt to change an individual's sexual orientation, sexual behaviors or gender identity. Underlying these 'therapies' is the assumption that homosexuality and gender nonconformity are mental disorders and that sexual orientation and gender identity can be changed. This assumption is not based on medical or scientific evidence. Professional consensus rejects pathologizing homosexuality and gender nonconformity and evidence does not support the efficacy of changing sexual orientation.
"Conversion therapy" often includes unethical techniques including electric shock, deprivation of food and liquid, chemically induced nausea and masturbation reconditioning. These practices may increase suicidal behaviors and cause significant psychological distress, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, internalized homophobia, self-blame, intrusive imagery and sexual dysfunction.
The AMA opposes the use of "conversion therapy" for sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Talking points: LGBTQ change efforts (so-called "conversion therapy") (PDF)
Coverage for gender-affirming care
Transgender patients often face discriminatory hurdles in accessing medically necessary health care services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria. As a population, transgender individuals are less likely to be insured than both the lesbian, gay, bisexual and general population. Among those that are insured, a national survey found that 25 percent of transgender individuals who sought coverage for hormones in the past year were denied and 55 percent of those who sought coverage for transition-related surgery in the past year were denied.
Improving access to gender-affirming care is an important means of improving health outcomes for the transgender population. Receipt of gender-affirming care has been linked to dramatically reduced rates of suicide attempts, decreased rates of depression and anxiety, decreased substance use, improved HIV medication adherence and reduced rates of harmful self-prescribed hormone use.
The AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria and opposes the denial of health insurance based on sexual orientation or gender identity.
Read more:
Issue brief: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
Talking points: Health insurance coverage for gender-affirming care of transgender patients (PDF)
AMA Leadership: Everyone deserves quality medical care delivered without bias
Transgender individuals' access to public facilities
LGBTQIA+ health education
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For many transgender individuals, social transition is a critically important part of medically necessary treatment. Social transition involves living one's life fully in accordance with one's gender identity and typically includes publicly identifying oneself as that gender, adopting a new name, using different pronouns, grooming and dressing in a manner typically associated with one's gender identity and using restroom and other single-sex facilities consistent with that identity. Policies excluding transgender individuals from restrooms and other facilities undermine well-established treatment protocols for gender dysphoria, expose individuals to stigma and discrimination as well as potential harassment and abuse and impair their social and emotional development, leading to poorer health outcomes throughout life.
Transgender individuals face a greater risk of violence when using a public facility that does not correspond with their gender identity, including being verbally harassed, physically assaulted, or sexually assaulted when accessing a restroom. In addition, prolonged avoidance of the restroom can cause physical harm including dehydration, continence issues, kidney issues and urinary tract infections.
The AMA opposes policies preventing transgender individuals from accessing basic human services and public facilities consistent with gender identity, including the use of restrooms.
He still refuses to answer if anorexics should be given "affirming care."ScottS said:
So we are now 42 pages into this and 1500+ comments. I'm sure since 1947 has been explaining this alot that everyone now knows it really good. True?
Think of 1947 as an internet professor. Look, many of us on here have busy lives, juggling work and family. We don't have time to try to figure all this out on our own. So we must delegate this duty to the prof, 1947.
actually it was my accusation..Waco1947 said:No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your caseForest Bueller_bf said:There have been 3 or 4 post putting this into context. Look back one page. I'm certainly not going to repeat the context again as it has been properly addressed.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
Someone else said you cherry picked, I was just saying you have been given context. I don't say you cherry pick, that would mean you actually get "some" of what is clearly written correct and some you would chose to ignore. That is not what you do at all. You simply misinterpret everything and get every message completely wrong as if you are an arch enemy of what has been clearly written.Waco1947 said:No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your caseForest Bueller_bf said:There have been 3 or 4 post putting this into context. Look back one page. I'm certainly not going to repeat the context again as it has been properly addressed.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
