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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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So you think failure to comply with a lawful order, is the same as submitting to a search of a car without a search warrant? Are you really this clueless, or just playing dumb?

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Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

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I agree with you. I don't trust cops in general, but you convinced me it would have been better for me to always escalate an encounter with cops when I am confronted by one or pulled over by one. I get it; you should try to kill the cop before he kills you. I understand now I was wrong to comply with the out of control cops' orders who came after my friend and me; I should have grabbed his gun and tried to kill him.

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The law falls apart when you can be put to death because you have something hanging from your rear view mirror.

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What happens when you can commit a crime and flee arrest with impunity?

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BylrFan said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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So you think failure to comply with a lawful order, is the same as submitting to a search of a car without a search warrant? Are you really this clueless, or just playing dumb?

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Read the rules and know your rights! Officers are not above the law.

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Thee University said:

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This officer forgot to pack his pepper spray and taser

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He sure did. I'll bet he doesn't forget again.

The driver deserved to be knocked to the ground by tazer, rubber bullets, bean bag shotgun blasts or skunk water.

If nothing else shoot out one or two of his tires. I'm not sure why this stop happened but this cop is too chicken to stand his ground.

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SIC EM 94 said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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So you think failure to comply with a lawful order, is the same as submitting to a search of a car without a search warrant? Are you really this clueless, or just playing dumb?

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Read the rules and know your rights! Officers are not above the law.

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Where did I say or suggest officers are above the law? Your response didn't answer my question by the way, it was just some random blabbering.

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Shippou said:

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Shippou said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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He would because he's a bootlicker.

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So you would be willing to die by resisting the cops and their search?

I figure I would tell them no and not try to stop them if they proceeded. Would let my attorney sort things out and choose to live another day. To each his own, Ship.

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I'm not putting myself in a situation to be searched by the state. Your options when dealing with cops shouldn't be "comply or die", that's very backwards thinking that makes cops think they can get away with the **** they do.

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Thee University said:

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Should the media or Hollywood, both of which glorifies violence, killing, deaths, etc. and has done their fair share of painting certain ethnic groups as much more violent, more lawless and often drug addled than others be blamed for some of this.

Facts are facts and stats that back up these facts can't be ignored (unless you are the media or hollywood) can they?

Should cops be cops if they got beat up every week for their lunch money when they were boys or girls? Should black cops be assigned to predominately white neighborhoods or white cops to black neighborhoods?

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Dude. Your whataboutism needs some work. You're not even trying anymore.

You can blame "the media" and "Hollywood" or whatever ****ing stupid ass bogeyman makes you cream your khakis with anger, I guess.

Or, yknow, you could blame the *******s with guns that you insist have immunity. I swear to God, police are the ONLY people not allowed to be blamed for being horribly ****ing human.

Stop making everyone else stupid with your talking.

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Having a tough time with my questions aren't you? I sense that you might be a little angry having to consider my questions above.

As a law abiding citizen I'll take the cop all day long. Immunity? Swearing to God? I think you lost your ****.

The stupid people are those that break the law, refuse to follow simple directions in English from the authorities and then run like pu$$ie$ from authorities. If they can't figure out by now that this always ends badly for them, they can't be helped.

You do us a favor..........engage with a police officer, talk your weak-@$$ BS and then play stupid with them before running from the police. Please. You obviously have weak BS, stupidity and low self esteem. Now get out there and roust out some of those horrible _____ing humans you talked about.

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Shippou said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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He would because he's a bootlicker.

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So you would be willing to die by resisting the cops and their search?

I figure I would tell them no and not try to stop them if they proceeded. Would let my attorney sort things out and choose to live another day. To each his own, Ship.

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I'm not putting myself in a situation to be searched by the state. Your options when dealing with cops shouldn't be "comply or die", that's very backwards thinking that makes cops think they can get away with the **** they do.

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Don't know if the cop that pulls me over is a good one or a bad one. I am going to err on the side of caution. Not gonna test him to figure out which one. Gonna have my hands on the wheel and my hands at 10 and 2. When he asks for my driver's license, I will hand it to him along with my Concealed Handgun License. Gonna tell him my .45 is under the seat. Maybe all this makes me out to be a " bootlicker", but I am confident that both the officer and myself will go home to our families.

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BylrFan said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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So you think failure to comply with a lawful order, is the same as submitting to a search of a car without a search warrant? Are you really this clueless, or just playing dumb?

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Read the rules and know your rights! Officers are not above the law.

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Where did I say or suggest officers are above the law? Your response didn't answer my question by the way, it was just some random blabbering.

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There is nothing lawful about this. If you enjoy giving up your rights and freedoms over bad policing, I'm not going to stop you.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

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I agree with you. I don't trust cops in general, but you convinced me it would have been better for me to always escalate an encounter with cops when I am confronted by one or pulled over by one. I get it; you should try to kill the cop before he kills you. I understand now I was wrong to comply with the out of control cops' orders who came after my friend and me; I should have grabbed his gun and tried to kill him.

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The law falls apart when you can be put to death because you have something hanging from your rear view mirror.

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What happens when you can commit a crime and flee arrest with impunity?

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That's a false choice. It isn't "flee with impunity" or "die."

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Thee University said:

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Who of any race could watch that tape of Chauvin with his knee on George Floyd's neck and not be scared of being stopped by a rogue cop on a power trip?

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I could.

I obey the law.

I don't do drugs.

I don't have a record.

I've not been to prison.

I try to develop a "connection" with the police when I get stopped in hopes of making him feel more at ease and trusting of me. Even if the cop has a bad attitude.

I try to do everything EXACTLY as the police officer tells me to do and actually try to exceed his expectations. Why not? I fully realize he has one of the most stressful and thankless jobs in the world.

"And most of all I am white."

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Shippou said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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He would because he's a bootlicker.

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So you would be willing to die by resisting the cops and their search?

I figure I would tell them no and not try to stop them if they proceeded. Would let my attorney sort things out and choose to live another day. To each his own, Ship.

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I'm not putting myself in a situation to be searched by the state.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Shippou said:

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Shippou said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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He would because he's a bootlicker.

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So you would be willing to die by resisting the cops and their search?

I figure I would tell them no and not try to stop them if they proceeded. Would let my attorney sort things out and choose to live another day. To each his own, Ship.

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I'm not putting myself in a situation to be searched by the state.

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If you ever drive, you're in that position.

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You're telling on yourself. If anything, he proved he wasn't a scared little *****. Why are people so afraid to take a punch? I mean, I know you're super scared of everything. I have no doubt that someone like you would freak out and shoot people who step towards you. Maybe you've never been in an actual fight.

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Waco1947 said:

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Thee University said:

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Who of any race could watch that tape of Chauvin with his knee on George Floyd's neck and not be scared of being stopped by a rogue cop on a power trip?

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I could.

I obey the law.

I don't do drugs.

I don't have a record.

I've not been to prison.

I try to develop a "connection" with the police when I get stopped in hopes of making him feel more at ease and trusting of me. Even if the cop has a bad attitude.

I try to do everything EXACTLY as the police officer tells me to do and actually try to exceed his expectations. Why not? I fully realize he has one of the most stressful and thankless jobs in the world.

"And most of all I am white."

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Shippou said:

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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He would because he's a bootlicker.

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So you would be willing to die by resisting the cops and their search?

I figure I would tell them no and not try to stop them if they proceeded. Would let my attorney sort things out and choose to live another day. To each his own, Ship.

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I'm not putting myself in a situation to be searched by the state. Your options when dealing with cops shouldn't be "comply or die", that's very backwards thinking that makes cops think they can get away with the **** they do.

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Don't know if the cop that pulls me over is a good one or a bad one. I am going to err on the side of caution. Not gonna test him to figure out which one. Gonna have my hands on the wheel and my hands at 10 and 2. When he asks for my driver's license, I will hand it to him along with my Concealed Handgun License. Gonna tell him my .45 is under the seat. Maybe all this makes me out to be a " bootlicker", but I am confident that both the officer and myself will go home to our families.

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He gets a trial. She doesn't. Cops don't have to worry.

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Yes, they don't have to worry because he escalated the encounter to lethal violence when the cops had not.

I have a question. Given your support in your posts above for lethal violence against people knocking at your door, would you support murdering people knocking on your door if they were the same race as you, or do you support it only if they are a different race from you? I'm genuinely curious, because I have seen strong indications from some posters on here that their support of a free pass for violence against cops is based on the race of the suspect.

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I tried to find an answer in my previous posts and didn't. Nor did I see any support for murdering people who knock on the door. Sorry the straw blew away..

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Maybe I misunderstood your position then.

So you do think Breonna's boyfriend was unjustified in shooting through his door at people who were knocking on his door, and that he was the one who escalated the situation to lethal violence? If so, then he bears the major responsibility for getting his girlfriend caught in the crossfire of a gunfight he started. In which case your example was straw to begin with and this is a much grayer and less clear-cut scenario than you first presented it as.

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I think that given the facts (the boyfriend shot after the door was knocked off its hinges by the police battering ram) the police bear the burden on this one. The warrant for Ms. Taylor's apartment was issued based on her previous BF having used it as a place to receive drugs. He hadn't resided there in months, but this warrant just had to be executed on that particular midnight. With a battering ram and guns drawn at the windows.

Yes, she dated a drug dealer. And broke up with him. Apparently that allows police to shoot her at any point?

The police didn't just fire through the front door, they shot through a window and a sliding glass door. An adjacent apartment was shot up and the officer who did so is facing criminal charges, so we'll see what shakes out at trial.

Violence is rarely clear cut. The department clearly fired two officers involved and charged another with a crime.

Do you have more reasons to blame this victim for her death?

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quash said:

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He gets a trial. She doesn't. Cops don't have to worry.

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Yes, they don't have to worry because he escalated the encounter to lethal violence when the cops had not.

I have a question. Given your support in your posts above for lethal violence against people knocking at your door, would you support murdering people knocking on your door if they were the same race as you, or do you support it only if they are a different race from you? I'm genuinely curious, because I have seen strong indications from some posters on here that their support of a free pass for violence against cops is based on the race of the suspect.

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I tried to find an answer in my previous posts and didn't. Nor did I see any support for murdering people who knock on the door. Sorry the straw blew away..

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Maybe I misunderstood your position then.

So you do think Breonna's boyfriend was unjustified in shooting through his door at people who were knocking on his door, and that he was the one who escalated the situation to lethal violence? If so, then he bears the major responsibility for getting his girlfriend caught in the crossfire of a gunfight he started. In which case your example was straw to begin with and this is a much grayer and less clear-cut scenario than you first presented it as.

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I think that given the facts (the boyfriend shot after the door was knocked off its hinges by the police battering ram) the police bear the burden on this one. The warrant for Ms. Taylor's apartment was issued based on her previous BF having used it as a place to receive drugs. He hadn't resided there in months, but this warrant just had to be executed on that particular midnight. With a battering ram and guns drawn at the windows.

Yes, she dated a drug dealer. And broke up with him. Apparently that allows police to shoot her at any point?

The police didn't just fire through the front door, they shot through a window and a sliding glass door. An adjacent apartment was shot up and the officer who did so is facing criminal charges, so we'll see what shakes out at trial.

Violence is rarely clear cut. The department clearly fired two officers involved and charged another with a crime.

Do you have more reasons to blame this victim for her death?

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Yes, violence is not always clear cut. You're agreeing with my exact point. The police were certainly at fault in a number of ways, and I'm glad they faced consequences.

You're still justifying shooting through a door at someone outside your house. This was presented as a clear case of murder. It wasn't.

But keep using this case to justify or excuse fighting with police in traffic stops. I am sure that will continue to end well.

As I told another poster earlier, if you think cops in general are out to kill you, then go to war when you are pulled over by cops, instead of this half-assed escalation that eventually crosses over into violence in a way that puts you at a tactical disadvantage.

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quash said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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quash said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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He gets a trial. She doesn't. Cops don't have to worry.

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Yes, they don't have to worry because he escalated the encounter to lethal violence when the cops had not.

I have a question. Given your support in your posts above for lethal violence against people knocking at your door, would you support murdering people knocking on your door if they were the same race as you, or do you support it only if they are a different race from you? I'm genuinely curious, because I have seen strong indications from some posters on here that their support of a free pass for violence against cops is based on the race of the suspect.

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I tried to find an answer in my previous posts and didn't. Nor did I see any support for murdering people who knock on the door. Sorry the straw blew away..

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Maybe I misunderstood your position then.

So you do think Breonna's boyfriend was unjustified in shooting through his door at people who were knocking on his door, and that he was the one who escalated the situation to lethal violence? If so, then he bears the major responsibility for getting his girlfriend caught in the crossfire of a gunfight he started. In which case your example was straw to begin with and this is a much grayer and less clear-cut scenario than you first presented it as.

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I think that given the facts (the boyfriend shot after the door was knocked off its hinges by the police battering ram) the police bear the burden on this one. The warrant for Ms. Taylor's apartment was issued based on her previous BF having used it as a place to receive drugs. He hadn't resided there in months, but this warrant just had to be executed on that particular midnight. With a battering ram and guns drawn at the windows.

Yes, she dated a drug dealer. And broke up with him. Apparently that allows police to shoot her at any point?

The police didn't just fire through the front door, they shot through a window and a sliding glass door. An adjacent apartment was shot up and the officer who did so is facing criminal charges, so we'll see what shakes out at trial.

Violence is rarely clear cut. The department clearly fired two officers involved and charged another with a crime.

Do you have more reasons to blame this victim for her death?

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Yes, violence is not always clear cut. You're agreeing with my exact point. The police were certainly at fault in a number of ways, and I'm glad they faced consequences.

You're still justifying shooting through a door at someone outside your house. This was presented as a clear case of murder. It wasn't.

But keep using this case to justify or excuse fighting with police in traffic stops. I am sure that will continue to end well.

As I told another poster earlier, if you think cops in general are out to kill you, then go to war when you are pulled over by cops, instead of this half-assed escalation that eventually crosses over into violence in a way that puts you at a tactical disadvantage.

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What I said was not a blanket endorsement of shooting through a door. I had hoped a lengthy answer would help.

Oh well.

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In Texas evading starts at a Class A misdemeanor and goes to state jail felony and up through third degree felony to second degree. 38.04 Penal Code

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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Cool. He committed no crimes. Stop defending bad peace officers.

If an officer asked to search your car without a warrant, would you comply?

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Folks should comply just like the folks on Jan 6th did in DC

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Breaking a window on Jan.6 in Washington, D.C. gets you killed. Breaking windows and looting in Minneapolis, MN. gets you bail money from the Vice President. Go figure. Clown World.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/capitol-police-ashli-babbitt-riot.html


https://www.pacificpundit.com/2020/08/31/kamala-harris-tweet-from-june-help-us-bail-out-minneapolis-rioters-with-donating-to-minnesota-freedom-fund/

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Breaking windows in our nation's Capitol in an assault on our system of government.

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Not if Trump supporters were breaking the windows. Then its a legit act of civil disobedience.

Imagine the howling on this site had those women in the stupid pink hats stormed the capitol and broken windows and assaulted police and tried stop the electoral vote for Trump who lost the popular vote by almost 3 million.

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Imagine the silence from the left had they done that.

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I don't have to imagine anything.

I've watched you and other Trump supporters on this site deny there was an insurrection, continue to support Trump when he clearly lost the election, continue to flog the Big Lie and promote all sort of other falsehoods.

The court proceedings against Trump's chumps are going to be interesting.

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Anyone who calls what happened on 6 Jan an "insurrection", earnestly and with no hint of irony, should be dismissed out of hand. There's simply no excuse for absurd falsehoods like that in a civilized discourse.

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No, Jinxy remains entitled to such falsehoods. After all she has had to suffer in her predominately white upper class neighborhood for years . She has really wanted to live in the hood of course, but.........

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Trumps chumps probably thought president had been set this past summer that you can burn down police stations, take over neighborhoods, take over municipalities, loot and destroy businesses and neighborhoods, and have politicians and even candidates pledge to bail you out of your troubles.

Of course what those Trump following idiots did was extremely wrong and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but after watching months of similar lawlessness, and those outlaws being escorted out of the places they just looted with no punishment, they may have thought the same would apply to them.

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Trump's chumps marched in Charlottsville chanting "jews will not replace us" and were pronounced "very fine people" by Trump who is the worst kind of bully. He looks like a strong man but went and hid while the dumbasses he unleashed on the capitol did their worst.

One of the very fine people in Charlottesville ran over a young woman with his car. Boy's in jail but some states are now passing laws making it legal to kill people with your cars as a result of right-wing support for this tactic.

The attacks on police stations were/are wrong, stupid bad and misguided. But I understand why black people feel like they are under attack by police and not safe if they are stopped for expired tags. Where I live we had to appoint a review board because there were so many questionable shootings and one police chief was fired while antoehr resigned before they could fire him.

Who of any race could watch that tape of Chauvin with his knee on George Floyd's neck and not be scared of being stopped by a rogue cop on a power trip?

Point being the same logic you've used to justify the insurgents justifies black kids running from police when they shouldn't and angry folks wrecking police stations because they don't think our justice system includes them. How about we say violent behavior is never justified and teach police how to stop people from doing dumb or stupid things without killing them accidentally or on purpose.

Rightwing media did a great job of riling right-wingers up about rioting about police violence while dismissing white supremacists marching in the streets chanting antisemitic slogans. Lots of Trump supporters jumped on the confederate monument bandwagon.

Trump and Republcians didnt try to work toward the center. They used race and policing as another way to divide by painting peaceful protesters who want police to protect and serve and not shoot first and ask questions later as the villains. And it worked. If not for Covid that tactic might have won Trump reelection.

But hateful politics arent a good longterm strategy. All they create is chaos. Trump likes chaos because it makes a guy with a strong man image like him look like a good solution to some people. I hope he's a problem the legal system will solve.

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So exactly why did you change user names still again Jinxy ?

Did the moderators finally tire of your little "post for pay' cottage business ?

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Tell me more about getting paid to post: who pays for it, how does one qualify?

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