Oldbear83 said:1. I have noted that nowhere in the whole Bible, do people of faith pray to other people. That's evidence, not silence.curtpenn said:You are still largely arguing from silence.Oldbear83 said:So you did not read any of my past posts, hmm?curtpenn said:Oldbear83 said:
Praying to Mary.
That's the violation.
Just as I thought; you have nothing from scripture to support your position. Just assertion of opinion. Which is fine.
Tell me then, why didn't Jews pray to Abraham, who made the covenant with God upon which we all depend?
Why didn't Jews pray to Moses, who carried God's law down to Men?
Remember what happened when Saul used a witch to contact Samuel after his death.
Didn't our Lord speak to Elijah and Moses at the Transfiguration?
Requesting intercession from saints is hardly equivalent to consorting with witches or mediums.
For your reading pleasure:
https://extinguishthelight.com/2020/07/11/a-biblical-defense-on-the-intercession-of-the-saints/
2. Elijah and Moses were present at Christ's Transfiguration, yes. Note that no one prayed to either of them, nor asked their blessing on the Lord's action. Kind of the point.
3. As Canon observed, you are closer to mediums than you know. A medium is simply a human used to make contact with the Divine, rather than contacting God directly. Praying to a human does the same thing.
We have direct access to our Father in Heaven. I commend us all to use that privilege.
To your first point, you use "pray to" synonymously with "ask for prayer". Do you not then pray to other believers when you ask for their prayers?
To your second point, they were obviously alive in a very real way just as all believers are right now.