Then I have given you too much credit. You're a binary thinker unable to stand nuance. I thought you were smarter.Osodecentx said:yesMothra said:Am I a 1/6 "apologist" for not believing the narrative - as you do - that January 6th was a violent insurrection?Osodecentx said:No, it's interesting to me that you both (BLM and 1/6 apologists) use the same argumentMothra said:Ah, so you were trying to be ironic again. Bless your heart.Osodecentx said:The arguments defending or explaining away riot in Portland are the same used to defend or explain away the insurrection in DCMothra said:DC of course. No clue about Portland.Osodecentx said:Are you speaking of Portland or DC?Mothra said:The facts disagree with you on this. The vast majority of the protestors were peaceful. We can see this in the charges brought against the protestors, and in the videos. Relatively speaking, there was only a small percentage that got violent. One case doesn't prove your point (which was my point).Osodecentx said:The "mostly peaceful" was meant as irony. It is quoting some on this board who made the same logical fallacy as those who characterized Portland riots as mostly peaceful.Mothra said:You described him as "mostly peaceful," but I don't see that in the article, nor did I see anyone describe hum as such. In fact, it would appear otherwise - this guy was violent and needed to be locked up.Osodecentx said:
Fla. man sentenced to 5 years for attacking police, the longest Jan. 6 riot sentence yet
Robert S. Palmer watched and cheered rioters, then joined front of mob and hurled fire extinguisher, plank and long pole at police.
A man who watched and cheered the Capitol riot, then moved to the front of the mob and hurled a fire extinguisher, a plank and a long pole at officers, was sentenced Friday to more than five years in federal prison, the longest sentence given so far to someone charged in the Jan. 6 attack.
Robert S. Palmer, 54, of Largo, Fla., pleaded guilty in October to assaulting law enforcement officers with a dangerous weapon, and his original plea agreement called for a sentencing range of 46 to 57 months. But after his plea, and his entry into the D.C. jail, Palmer arranged to make an online fundraising plea in which he said he did "go on the defense and throw a fire extinguisher at the police" after being shot with rubber bullets and tear gas.
That was a lie, Palmer admitted Friday. He had thrown a fire extinguisher twice a large plank and then a four- to six-foot pole at police before he was struck with one rubber bullet. The lie indicated a failure to accept responsibility for his actions, prosecutors argued, and when U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan agreed, she increased his sentencing range to 63 to 78 months, ultimately imposing a 63-month term.
"Look behind you," Chutkan instructed Palmer in the courtroom. "Those are U.S. marshals. They ran from this courthouse. They put themselves in danger to protect the occupants of the Capitol. That's what they're sworn to do. They're the patriots. The people working in the Capitol that night, they are patriots. Doing what they get paid to do, they didn't know if they were going to come out of there alive that night."
Palmer said, "I'm really, really ashamed of what I did."
He said that while in jail he saw footage of himself on an MSNBC news program.
"I was horrified, absolutely devastated to see myself on there," Palmer said.
In a letter to the judge last month, he wrote, "I realize that we, meaning Trump supporters, were lied to by those that at the time had great power, meaning the sitting president as well as those acting on his behalf."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/17/palmer-sentenced-fire-extinguisher-jan-6/
Are you using this one case to try and make a larger point that January 6th wasn't mostly peaceful? If so, can you explain the logic behind your logical fallacy?
He wasn't peaceful all, nor were the rioters in Portland
I can't believe you are actually disputing these facts. May need to check your sources.
Do you have some evidence regarding the Portland protests you would like to share?
I recall some commentators and media pundits calling the BLM protests mostly peaceful. Of course, given the millions in damages property, injuries, and murders over the course of a several month period, that claim remains questionable, though I suppose that if most of the protestors were peaceful, technically it was a mostly peaceful protest.
It's interesting you think the months long BLM protests were comparable to Jan. 6th. It's almost as if you have a narrative to uphold.
Using the same argument as BLM supporters would be a lot more ironic if 1/6 and the BLM protests were remotely comparable.
For the record (to those with a brain and able to reason), I've never defended 1/6. Never. I simply refuse to buy the narrative of the media it was a violent insurrection. It wasn't, and only the intellectually dishonest suggest otherwise.
Not everything is an either/or, just FYI. If you can comprehend that, you will fare better on these boards and in life.