Eloquently stated and 100% correct.Forest Bueller_bf said:Jesus of course by definition is a Supernatural being, he is God in the flesh, fully a human, yet fully God. This was a supernatural event. His birth was a Supernatural event. His resurrection was a Supernatural event.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:oh please " the arguments needed to demonstrate the point on making" references an intellectual statement and is dishonestD. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
No claim? You're being intellectually dishonest.
No, I am not being "intellectually dishonest." I am using only the arguments needed to demonstrate the point I am making. No claim as to the reality of the existence of God is needed.
You have shown nothing of mine here that is "dishonest."
Independent of the question of whether God exists, you cannot hold that the Christian God exists and that there is no supernatural.
You can have one or the other.
You cannot have both.
With a Christian view you cannot have both because the Christian God is not part of nature and the Christian God literally stepped into history in the person of Jesus, a person who walked this world as a physical man. There is no explanation other than an event that is outside the laws of nature, which makes it, by definition, supernatural.
The question of whether God in general or the Christian God in particular exists is entirely separate from whether you can believe in the Christian God and believe in materialism simultaneously.
If we don't believe this, we don't believe in God, but some other god.
Forest remains the best read on this message board.