No one will. Same with schizophrenics, would you affirm their delusions as reality? Of course not. So why are we doing that with trans people? This discussion is the height of stupidity.
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you claim that gender doesnt matter, sexual relationships dont matter off of 24 words in the entire Bible. The hubris of such a proclamation.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
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No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
Waco1947 ,la
These are not my claims.4th and Inches said:you claim that gender doesn't matter, sexual relationships don't matter off of 24 words in the entire Bible. The hubris of such a proclamation.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
My claim is that in issues of faith in Jesus sexuality does not matter; however behavior does matter.
My claim about Paul is that he writing to Galatians; Paul is referencing sexuality (one's understanding of one's sexuality) with the church of Galatia and the other churches he founded. The church should not use one's sexual identity or sexuality to be in God's church and its leadership.
Again, one's behavior and the context one's of that behavior to Paul, Jesus, and God matters for marriage, the church and daily life. .
For instance, if a man should lie with a man. that behavior is wron because the context for that behavior is temple prostitutes, infidelity in marriage, orgies, etc.
Hence one behavior gay or straight is condemned by Paul.
Waco1947 ,la
Waco1947 said:
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
The context is that he misspoke in saying you "cherry picked" anything. He should have said that you took a statement that meant one thing and pretended that it meant something entirely different. That's not "cherry picking," that's just being wrong. I am having a hard time believing that you actually think that scripture supports your politics on this issue. This fits under the category of no one with any level of knowledge of the Bible in general and Paul in particular would make that claim as a serious argument.
Meantime, answer the science.
Medical fact: a male cannot become a female, a female cannot become a male.
Make the case that I am factually incorrect.
Dude, I didn't say you cherry picked, someone else said that and you combined his post with my post.Waco1947 said:
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
I said you completely misinterpret the bible.
I don't have a case to prove, the Bible proves it, and you try to disprove it.
Mean time understand sexuality. Birth gender is different from gender identity. You are blind to this fact.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
The context is that he misspoke in saying you "cherry picked" anything. He should have said that you took a statement that meant one thing and pretended that it meant something entirely different. That's not "cherry picking," that's just being wrong. I am having a hard time believing that you actually think that scripture supports your politics on this issue. This fits under the category of no one with any level of knowledge of the Bible in general and Paul in particular would make that claim as a serious argument.
Meantime, answer the science.
Medical fact: a male cannot become a female, a female cannot become a male.
Make the case that I am factually incorrect.
Waco1947 ,la
I'm sorry then but yes, you do have to prove through use of the bible and responding to my quotes from the BibleForest Bueller_bf said:Dude, I didn't say you cherry picked, someone else said that and you combined his post with my post.Waco1947 said:
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
I said you completely misinterpret the bible.
I don't have a case to prove, the Bible proves it, and you try to disprove it.
Waco1947 ,la
Again for about the 4th time I did not say he Cherry Picked.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
The context is that he misspoke in saying you "cherry picked" anything. He should have said that you took a statement that meant one thing and pretended that it meant something entirely different. That's not "cherry picking," that's just being wrong. I am having a hard time believing that you actually think that scripture supports your politics on this issue. This fits under the category of no one with any level of knowledge of the Bible in general and Paul in particular would make that claim as a serious argument.
Meantime, answer the science.
Medical fact: a male cannot become a female, a female cannot become a male.
Make the case that I am factually incorrect.
Quote:
4th and Inches said:
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked
In his inabilty to properly disect posts on here, 47 glommed someone elses post onto my post and attributed it to me.
I don't give 47 the credit to even cherry pick, he simple completely misrepresents scripture and then completely
misinterprets scripture. To cherry pick you have to be able to accept some as correct and disregard others as not mattering. His simply butchers every scripture he touches.
Because they Gaystapo has captured so much of the Establishment that actual science has taken a back seat to agendas. One has to be an utter idiot to think any of this is "science."nein51 said:
No one will. Same with schizophrenics, would you affirm their delusions as reality? Of course not. So why are we doing that with trans people? This discussion is the height of stupidity.
when the Bible condemns the behavior of a man lie with another man... it does NOT reference temple prostitutes, infidelity in marriage, orgies or anything other than... a man lies with another man.Waco1947 said:These are not my claims.4th and Inches said:you claim that gender doesn't matter, sexual relationships don't matter off of 24 words in the entire Bible. The hubris of such a proclamation.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:yep, Romans 1 destroys his argument Galatians 3: 28 destroy yours. In Christ there is sexual identity attached to our salvation.historian said:
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them Who are the them? up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." In what context did they become consumed by their passions?
Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's Christ has what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law: Do we live under this law? No, we do not bc Christ has freed us.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV OT We live under the love commandment not an ancient in a small tucked away culture 3,000 years ago.
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. God or humans? He definitely was NOT ok with it. A loving God kills people?
Not really..
Galatians 3-
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Text without context.. you cherry picked Then give me the context?
My claim is that in issues of faith in Jesus sexuality does not matter; however behavior does matter.
My claim about Paul is that he writing to Galatians; Paul is referencing sexuality (one's understanding of one's sexuality) with the church of Galatia and the other churches he founded. The church should not use one's sexual identity or sexuality to be in God's church and its leadership.
Again, one's behavior and the context one's of that behavior to Paul, Jesus, and God matters for marriage, the church and daily life. .
For instance, if a man should lie with a man. that behavior is wron because the context for that behavior is temple prostitutes, infidelity in marriage, orgies, etc.
Hence one behavior gay or straight is condemned by Paul.
Do you have ANY proof of this false claim of context?
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Lev 20:13 NIV
Where is the temple prostitutes, orgies, etc in this one?
"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. - Lev 18:22 NIV
No mention of adultery here, or orgies, or prostitues... care to clarify?
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurersand for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine - 1 Timothy 1:10 NIV
Where is your made up context in this one?
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. - Romans 1:27
Where is your context here?
I could go on, but you get the idea... Waco47 is just making up this "context" argument. He is a false teacher, and we all know how he will be spending eternity. The judgements for false teachers like Waco47, are the most severe judgements in the Bible. Yet he really doesn't care because he doesn't actually believe the Bible anyway. He thinks that the only actual truth is that "God is Love"... so a loving God would never truly punish a false teacher like him. What a fool.
ShooterTX
Waco1947 said:Mean time understand sexuality. Birth gender is different from gender identity. You are blind to this fact.D. C. Bear said:Waco1947 said:
No, it is not my accusation. Your accusation is "You 'cherry picked'." The accusation belongs to you, so again what is the context. Prove your case
The context is that he misspoke in saying you "cherry picked" anything. He should have said that you took a statement that meant one thing and pretended that it meant something entirely different. That's not "cherry picking," that's just being wrong. I am having a hard time believing that you actually think that scripture supports your politics on this issue. This fits under the category of no one with any level of knowledge of the Bible in general and Paul in particular would make that claim as a serious argument.
Meantime, answer the science.
Medical fact: a male cannot become a female, a female cannot become a male.
Make the case that I am factually incorrect.
Again, I understand sexuality just fine. Additionally, I understand that someone can have a strongly held but false belief regarding whether he is male or female. This doesn't make the belief correct.
A male who is "transgender" believes that he is female when he is not female. Given this discrepancy between his belief and the measurable physical reality that he displays, his belief is incorrect. It is neither hateful nor cruel to admit this fact.
If he wants to pretend to be a woman and have surgeries and hormone injections and wear stereotypical female clothing and the like, this does not make him a woman. He is simply a male who has had surgery and taken female hormones. You are blind to this fact.
Now, answer the question: Is it possible for someone who is a male to be female by virtue of his own cognition?
Harrison Bergeron said:Because they Gaystapo has captured so much of the Establishment that actual science has taken a back seat to agendas. One has to be an utter idiot to think any of this is "science."nein51 said:
No one will. Same with schizophrenics, would you affirm their delusions as reality? Of course not. So why are we doing that with trans people? This discussion is the height of stupidity.
Hate to break it to you but most of "the gays" aren't big trans fans. But overall I agree.
You're not breaking anything to me. I know the transgender, anti-science insanity is extremely anti-gay.nein51 said:Harrison Bergeron said:Because they Gaystapo has captured so much of the Establishment that actual science has taken a back seat to agendas. One has to be an utter idiot to think any of this is "science."nein51 said:
No one will. Same with schizophrenics, would you affirm their delusions as reality? Of course not. So why are we doing that with trans people? This discussion is the height of stupidity.
Hate to break it to you but most of "the gays" aren't big trans fans. But overall I agree.
Has one group ever been so difficult to validate..
Complimenting a trans person on their appearance and that they “pass” well is now transphobic pic.twitter.com/ZjpUevoc1O
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 7, 2024
OkJack Bauer said:
Has one group ever been so difficult to validate..Complimenting a trans person on their appearance and that they “pass” well is now transphobic pic.twitter.com/ZjpUevoc1O
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 7, 2024
So instead, you should just say, "Wow! I had no idea you were bat-**** crazy!"
ShooterTX
All of this has been pointed out to 47 many times.historian said:
Our resident troll thinks God & Paul are ok with perversion. Of course, he's wrong.
Here's what Paul said about it:
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:26-27
Read all of Chapter 1 for full context.
Here's what God said about homosexuality in Mosaic Law:
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 NIV
If one reads further for context, one will find that God proscribed the death penalty. He definitely was NOT ok with it.
Simply ignores whatever makes him feel uncomfortable.
Yes but sometimes we need to be reminded
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
Concluded long ago ol 47 has some very private demons in play.historian said:
Yes but sometimes we need to be reminded
And this forum is likely to be the only 'therapy' he can afford.
Libs of Tik Tok is funny ... but we need to stop giving so much attention to the mentally ill on Tik Tok.Jack Bauer said:
Has one group ever been so difficult to validate..Complimenting a trans person on their appearance and that they “pass” well is now transphobic pic.twitter.com/ZjpUevoc1O
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 7, 2024
If we do that, what voting bloc would Biden have left?Harrison Bergeron said:Libs of Tik Tok is funny ... but we need to stop giving so much attention to the mentally ill on Tik Tok.Jack Bauer said:
Has one group ever been so difficult to validate..Complimenting a trans person on their appearance and that they “pass” well is now transphobic pic.twitter.com/ZjpUevoc1O
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 7, 2024
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Yeah... keep claiming that being Trans isn't a mental health issue.
This person keeps claiming that he is a woman... I'm not even sure this is a human anymore.
Trans ideology is total insanity.
This person keeps claiming that he is a woman... I'm not even sure this is a human anymore.
Trans influencer calls out JK Rowling calling her words ‘hurtful’ and saying “She should stick to what she knows.”
— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) April 8, 2024
“She’s a woman and so I’m also a woman. I’m a transgender woman she’s a biological woman but we are both women.”
🎥 @GBNEWS @Nanaakua1
pic.twitter.com/CKoLR8efSj
Trans ideology is total insanity.
ShooterTX
Sure blame the person…but who in the f8ck put that plastic statue on TV? They know exactly what they are doing.
both women? You meant to say JK Rowling is a woman and you are a lady boy..ShooterTX said:
Yeah... keep claiming that being Trans isn't a mental health issue.
This person keeps claiming that he is a woman... I'm not even sure this is a human anymore.Trans influencer calls out JK Rowling calling her words ‘hurtful’ and saying “She should stick to what she knows.”
— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) April 8, 2024
“She’s a woman and so I’m also a woman. I’m a transgender woman she’s a biological woman but we are both women.”
🎥 @GBNEWS @Nanaakua1
pic.twitter.com/CKoLR8efSj
Trans ideology is total insanity.
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He's a mannequin
nein51 said:
Sure blame the person…but who in the f8ck put that plastic statue on TV? They know exactly what they are doing.
Joe Biden would have you believe this is our generations version of the people that marched to Selma encountering fire hoses and attack dogs.
He's sick & it's disgusting. I pity this man with serious mental problems. Instead of getting proper treatment, he is encouraged in his delusions and paraded around as something he clearly is not. He's a pawn for people with a very evil agenda. The fact that a government entity was willing to change his birth certificate to a lie, if his assertion is correct, and that medical professionals are willing to help him and others perpetrate the fraud testified to how much those institutions have been corrupted. And there are few signs this madness will end soon.
At least some brave individuals like Rowling & Gaines will publicly stand up for truth and Justice.
At least some brave individuals like Rowling & Gaines will publicly stand up for truth and Justice.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
People that butcher kids on the name of Conversion Theraoy must be stopped:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.23.586441v1.full
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.23.586441v1.full
What if....and please indulge me...you just taught reading, math, writing, science and leave it at that?
Trans Florida teacher discusses the importance of students using pronouns and having the progress pride flag.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 9, 2024
She also says she “came out” as trans at school.
She may be in violation of Florida law. @EducationFL pic.twitter.com/0Cd0WETTIN
This woman certainly does NOT belong in a classroom teaching such radical lies to children.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
The creepiness they avoid is why are they so obsessed with talking to little children about sex.historian said:
This woman certainly does NOT belong in a classroom teaching such radical lies to children.
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
Harrison Bergeron said:The creepiness they avoid is why are they so obsessed with talking to little children about sex.historian said:
This woman certainly does NOT belong in a classroom teaching such radical lies to children.
Imagine if teachers talked to kids at public schools like this about Jesus...there would be mass hysteria.
Jack Bauer said:Harrison Bergeron said:The creepiness they avoid is why are they so obsessed with talking to little children about sex.historian said:
This woman certainly does NOT belong in a classroom teaching such radical lies to children.
Imagine if teachers talked to kids at public schools like this about Jesus...there would be mass hysteria.
We used to live in that world in 1950…and no one really freaked out.
We of course have just replaced one civilizational norm with another…there are no such thing as "neutral institutions" and there never will be.
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