Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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Might clear up things if they notated how many shell casings were lying by the assassin.

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Here you go. From House testimony

After the shooting, Colonel Paris said that investigators found eight shell casings around Mr. Crooks's body on the warehouse roof.

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To me, that kind of clears it up. Cant see anyone "planting" casings next to a dead body on a roof, especially when the Secret Service is FINALLY eyeballing it

The casings were brought by Crooks ahead of time and planted there.

hodedofome said:

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The casings were brought by Crooks ahead of time and planted there.

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Didnt think off that. Maybe he didnt actually take any shots. Every single one of the shots were done by Secret Service snipers including the nearly kill shot by Kimberly Cheatle...

FBI Director Wray on Trump's injury from the assassination attempt:

“There’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear.”

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) July 24, 2024

Assassin said:

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hodedofome said:

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The casings were brought by Crooks ahead of time and planted there.

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Didnt think off that. Maybe he didnt actually take any shots. Every single one of the shots were done by Secret Service snipers including the nearly kill shot by Kimberly Cheatle...

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Now you're figuring it out.

BREAKING: The House votes to form a bipartisan task force to investigate the assassination attempt against Donald Trump. https://t.co/cjukALGGQ6

— The Associated Press (@AP) July 25, 2024

Assassin said:

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hodedofome said:

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The casings were brought by Crooks ahead of time and planted there.

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Didnt think off that. Maybe he didnt actually take any shots. Every single one of the shots were done by Secret Service snipers including the nearly kill shot by Kimberly Cheatle...

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Appreciate your takes on this. Probably best qualified in this here board

Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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Might clear up things if they notated how many shell casings were lying by the assassin.

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Here you go. From House testimony

After the shooting, Colonel Paris said that investigators found eight shell casings around Mr. Crooks's body on the warehouse roof.

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Yeah. We were watching that live. That is the 1 bit of information I kept asking for the past 10 days that Cheatle wouldnt answer. I said if there are 8 shell casings on the roof then this is over... he was the only shooter. But they'd never answer it.

When Wray actually answered the question I posted that on my other thread.

Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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I really don't understand all the 'second shooter' talk. One thing that we have seen, is that there were a lot of witnesses paying better attention than the Secret Service on July 13, so if there had been a second shooter we would have heard from a witness or five by now about how they moved around and where they went. We have a lot of information now about Crooks, the Secret Service detail and local cops on the scene, and really no room for someone else to show up, shoot and leave without someone getting some kind of description.

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You gotta listen to the sound analysis from the spectators phone. That's where a lot of it comes from.

Shots 1-3 sound the same.
Shots 4-8 sound different from 1-3.
Shot 9 sounds different from 1-3 & 4-8.
Shot 10 sounds different.

9 & 10 were probably anti-snipers shooting at patsy. They clearly sound different so everyone says 'oh, those are different guns....hear the difference?'

But 1-3 and 4-8 sound massively different and yet we're supposed to say 'oh, those are definitely the same gun.'

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8 spent rounds found on roof around Crooks. 2 shots from snipers. Total of 10 shots which is verified by audio analysis.

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wind affects sound.......

Married A Horn said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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Might clear up things if they notated how many shell casings were lying by the assassin.

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Here you go. From House testimony

After the shooting, Colonel Paris said that investigators found eight shell casings around Mr. Crooks's body on the warehouse roof.

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Yeah. We were watching that live. That is the 1 bit of information I kept asking for the past 10 days that Cheatle wouldnt answer. I said if there are 8 shell casings on the roof then this is over... he was the only shooter. But they'd never answer it.

When Wray actually answered the question I posted that on my other thread.

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the conspiracy would say......some or all were planted. the conspiracy would say, "where's the analysis to prove those 8 casings were formed in the chamber of the shooter's gun?" (and then they wouldn't trust the FBI lab to do the analysis.)

Conspiracy theories always exist. How resilient they are in the face of inconvenient facts tells you a lot about public trust in institutions. And right now, I don't think there's very much the SS or FBI could say/publish that would be believed by a substantial part of the population.

Married A Horn said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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Might clear up things if they notated how many shell casings were lying by the assassin.

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Here you go. From House testimony

After the shooting, Colonel Paris said that investigators found eight shell casings around Mr. Crooks's body on the warehouse roof.

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Yeah. We were watching that live. That is the 1 bit of information I kept asking for the past 10 days that Cheatle wouldnt answer. I said if there are 8 shell casings on the roof then this is over... he was the only shooter. But they'd never answer it.

When Wray actually answered the question I posted that on my other thread.

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I am not getting the feel that there is a "cover up" or conspiracy going on. The Russia stuff with those 2 FBI Agents, you just had a feel something was off. I am not seeing that here. I see complacency and an off the grid whack job who rode his bike to the assassination with an 11 year old AR. How many profilers/models are showing that??? I think the problem is that it was so outside the box, with complacency and too many non-SS staff that it caught everyone by surprise.

Exclusive: Trump's fist-pump photo from his assassination attempt 12 days ago was a late swap as the cover of his new $99 book. https://t.co/FyeAwNm2oU

— Axios (@axios) July 25, 2024

Fre3dombear said:

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Assassin said:

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hodedofome said:

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The casings were brought by Crooks ahead of time and planted there.

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Didnt think off that. Maybe he didnt actually take any shots. Every single one of the shots were done by Secret Service snipers including the nearly kill shot by Kimberly Cheatle...

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Appreciate your takes on this. Probably best qualified in this here board

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Indeed! I'm the only Assassin!

Doc Holliday said:

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whiterock said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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Might clear up things if they notated how many shell casings were lying by the assassin.

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Here you go. From House testimony

After the shooting, Colonel Paris said that investigators found eight shell casings around Mr. Crooks's body on the warehouse roof.

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Yeah. We were watching that live. That is the 1 bit of information I kept asking for the past 10 days that Cheatle wouldnt answer. I said if there are 8 shell casings on the roof then this is over... he was the only shooter. But they'd never answer it.

When Wray actually answered the question I posted that on my other thread.

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the conspiracy would say......some or all were planted. the conspiracy would say, "where's the analysis to prove those 8 casings were formed in the chamber of the shooter's gun?" (and then they wouldn't trust the FBI lab to do the analysis.)

Conspiracy theories always exist. How resilient they are in the face of inconvenient facts tells you a lot about public trust in institutions. And right now, I don't think there's very much the SS or FBI could say/publish that would be believed by a substantial part of the population.

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And given their past with MKULTRA, Russiagate and much more, we're aware that they push falsified intel, withhold information and even destroy intel in pursuit of political agendas.

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I got briefed on MKULTRA during basic training, specifically on all the laws passed effectively ending CIA collection activities in the USA (except for two very limited applications = voluntary debriefings of US businessmen who have traveled to denied areas, and recruitment of foreign officials visiting the US (who are to return to their home country.) USG does a LOT of training of foreign military and intel officers, which is a great opportunity to "exploit."

Russiagate is/was not a CIA problem. It was an FBI problem. That is not to say that all the former CIA officials who signed the "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation" memo were acting appropriately. They were abusing the public trust in ways that undermined public confidence in the organization, specifically by using for partisan politics the credibility they had built from intelligence service. For that, they should be stripped of their clearances and be investigated. Likely nothing there which could be prosecuted, but the loss of clearances makes it harder for them to monetize their resume, and the investigation process will send powerful messages about how NOT to act when you've retired = deterrence from active engagement in partisan activity AT ALL.

There IS bipartisan oversight on these things, ya know.....

Obviously the detectives investigating need to determine if he was actually shot or not....but for the public does it really matter if he was struck by a bullet or shrapnel?

I don't think any reasonable person doubts that he was shot at and there was an assassination attempt. He was extremely lucky to escape with only a minor wound. I don't think how the wound was caused really changes much.

whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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whiterock said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I really want to see a second report on the audio from the spectators cell phone.

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Will you post your evidence supporting the 2nd shooter?

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What was the purpose of the attempt with 2 shooters and only a nick on the supposed target with 8 shots, one of the shooters a pro concealed (we still don't know where they were located)? Sorry, can't get around what was the mission? A pro changes the dynamic, pros don't miss.
Was it just the attempt, that was good enough? Was make an attempt, take out patsy? But they know who shot the original shooter, they have the ballistics. Two shooters change whole picture and results make less sense.

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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Might clear up things if they notated how many shell casings were lying by the assassin.

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Here you go. From House testimony

After the shooting, Colonel Paris said that investigators found eight shell casings around Mr. Crooks's body on the warehouse roof.

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Yeah. We were watching that live. That is the 1 bit of information I kept asking for the past 10 days that Cheatle wouldnt answer. I said if there are 8 shell casings on the roof then this is over... he was the only shooter. But they'd never answer it.

When Wray actually answered the question I posted that on my other thread.

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the conspiracy would say......some or all were planted. the conspiracy would say, "where's the analysis to prove those 8 casings were formed in the chamber of the shooter's gun?" (and then they wouldn't trust the FBI lab to do the analysis.)

Conspiracy theories always exist. How resilient they are in the face of inconvenient facts tells you a lot about public trust in institutions. And right now, I don't think there's very much the SS or FBI could say/publish that would be believed by a substantial part of the population.

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And given their past with MKULTRA, Russiagate and much more, we're aware that they push falsified intel, withhold information and even destroy intel in pursuit of political agendas.

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I got briefed on MKULTRA during basic training, specifically on all the laws passed effectively ending CIA collection activities in the USA (except for two very limited applications = voluntary debriefings of US businessmen who have traveled to denied areas, and recruitment of foreign officials visiting the US (who are to return to their home country.) USG does a LOT of training of foreign military and intel officers, which is a great opportunity to "exploit."

Russiagate is/was not a CIA problem. It was an FBI problem. That is not to say that all the former CIA officials who signed the "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation" memo were acting appropriately. They were abusing the public trust in ways that undermined public confidence in the organization, specifically by using for partisan politics the credibility they had built from intelligence service. For that, they should be stripped of their clearances and be investigated. Likely nothing there which could be prosecuted, but the loss of clearances makes it harder for them to monetize their resume, and the investigation process will send powerful messages about how NOT to act when you've retired = deterrence from active engagement in partisan activity AT ALL.

There IS bipartisan oversight on these things, ya know.....

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We only know a small fraction of what transpired with MKULTRA unfortunately. I can only imagine the horrors we don't know about.

The common element to me is they don't actually have evidence of what they claim. They're pushing stuff to the media to sway public opinion.

The CIA officials who signed the "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation" made that up with nothing to back it up. The fact that the FBI relied on a crowdstrike draft that they don't even have possession of that supposedly claims Russia hacked the DNC for Wikileaks is insane and so was Mueller's entire investigation which curtailed Trump's first term and hurt the American people by stonewalling Trump's agenda. Even the war on terror was partly based on WMDs that didn't exist.

They cause real harm and they go unpunished. That has to stop. People need to serve prison sentences for what they've done or they'll be emboldened to do it more because there's no real risks. Alphabet groups should be ashamed of themselves. I hate them more than you can imagine.

Predictably, the likes of Jerry Nadler distorted my practical plan to shut down a corrupt agency during today’s Congressional hearing with Merrick Garland. Here’s the TRUTH: The FBI has a ~35,842 person staff. 56% of the bureau that are professional bureaucrats should be fired… pic.twitter.com/bnyw9YlsS1

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) September 20, 2023

boognish_bear said:

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Obviously the detectives investigating need to determine if he was actually shot or not....but for the public does it really matter if he was struck by a bullet or shrapnel?

I don't think any reasonable person doubts that he was shot at and there was an assassination attempt. He was extremely lucky to escape with only a minor wound. I don't think how the wound was caused really changes much.

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I agree. If it was the bullet or debris from the bullet is irrelevant. The dead Fireman pretty much verifies there was a shooting at a Presidential Nominee. Too many literalist in the world, they use it to deflect.

Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-TX), a former White House doctor under Donald Trump, responds to FBI Director Christopher Wray testifying that it's unclear whether Trump was hit by a bullet or shrapnel in the assassination attempt.

"If it wasn't a bullet wound, I ask you, what was it?… pic.twitter.com/7FpVFeDWYH

— CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) July 25, 2024

Osodecentx said:

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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This.

But this doesn't rule out that the SS leadership was intentionally lax due to it being Trump.
It also doesn't rule out that another party or agent was feeding the shooter information.
It also doesn't rule out that the SS was just incompetent due to poor leadership and the shooter won the SS and local PD lottery.

I could easily see any of those 3 scenarios playing out though. And if even there was evidence that pointed to SS corruption, we all know that we'd never be given those facts, so it's all just a guessing game.

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Doc Holliday said:

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You don't hate these people enough

Kamala Harris faces greater security risks because she’s a woman and person of color — and the Secret Service is almost certainly taking that into account, said retired agent Jeff James.

A Q&A with James on how the agency should navigate this challenging moment ⬇️…

— POLITICO (@politico) July 25, 2024

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"Shooter attempts to kill White Male Candidate....Women of Color candidates most effected"

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As usual, what a load of lib crap. Of course she should be properly protected, but this notion that she's so much more at risk because of her skin color is ridiculous, especially compared to the threat level for someone who has narrowly escaped assassination, has been repeatedly compared to "Hitler" and about whom multiple prominent people (including Joe Biden, Maxine Watters, Robert De Niro, Madonna, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffin,etc.) have either fantasized about and/or threatened violence toward up to and including murder.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Occam's razor. It was an amateur who got off 8 shots and SS sniper with 2.
All evidence points in that direction.

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This.

But this doesn't rule out that the SS leadership was intentionally lax due to it being Trump.
It also doesn't rule out that another party or agent was feeding the shooter information.
It also doesn't rule out that the SS was just incompetent due to poor leadership and the shooter won the SS and local PD lottery.

I could easily see any of those 3 scenarios playing out though. And if even there was evidence that pointed to SS corruption, we all know that we'd never be given those facts, so it's all just a guessing game.

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Who is saying don't rule out?