FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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We are on the same page, all the conspiracy theories fall apart with the shooter.

nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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The part that's hard to believe in, is how he was able to take the shots to begin with, on that particular building. A conspiracy does not require the shooter to be an expert. You do know what a patsy is, don't you? And despite all your theorizing about his lack of expertise, the fact still remains that he was within one inch or less of successfully killing the leading presidential candidate.

FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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We are on the same page, all the conspiracy theories fall apart with the shooter.

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The incorrect assumption here is that all conspiracies must involve an expert shooter in the know.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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The part that's hard to believe in, is how he was able to take the shots to begin with, on that particular building. A conspiracy does not require the shooter to be an expert. You do know what a patsy is, don't you? And despite all your theorizing about his lack of expertise, the fact still remains that he was within one inch or less of successfully killing the leading presidential candidate.

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He took a shot with a rifle from 125 yards. There's zero shock he came close. It's a very, very easy shot.

For him to be a patsy someone had to set him up and he had to willingly choose to give up his life for some cause. A cause that literally no one knows…so not a very good cause.

Want to ask how he managed to just wander up to the roof with a rifle well that's fair game.

He took 8 shots, accidentally killed the wrong person, missed his target and had his head turned in to jello. Assuming he knew he was giving up his life (which I assume he had to know) then he was a terrible failure and he used a gun for hunting squirrels and rodents.

I just don't see any conspiracists counting on Crooks to get the job done.

This is very much a case of institutional blunders built into moronic policy.

nein51 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

---

Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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The part that's hard to believe in, is how he was able to take the shots to begin with, on that particular building. A conspiracy does not require the shooter to be an expert. You do know what a patsy is, don't you? And despite all your theorizing about his lack of expertise, the fact still remains that he was within one inch or less of successfully killing the leading presidential candidate.

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He took a shot with a rifle from 125 yards. There's zero shock he came close. It's a very, very easy shot.

For him to be a patsy someone had to set him up and he had to willingly choose to give up his life for some cause. A cause that literally no one knows…so not a very good cause.

Want to ask how he managed to just wander up to the roof with a rifle well that's fair game.

He took 8 shots, accidentally killed the wrong person, missed his target and had his head turned in to jello. Assuming he knew he was giving up his life (which I assume he had to know) then he was a terrible failure and he used a gun for hunting squirrels and rodents.

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If you're saying it's a very easy shot, then you're destroying your own theory that it had to be an expert shooter.

Assuming he knew he was giving up his life is another bad assumption, and besides, even if he did know, would that be surprising from someone who was unbalanced enough to try and assassinate the leading presidential candidate? He also had to have known he would receive return fire from expert snipers. He had to have known there was a very high chance he was going to get killed.

nein51 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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The part that's hard to believe in, is how he was able to take the shots to begin with, on that particular building. A conspiracy does not require the shooter to be an expert. You do know what a patsy is, don't you? And despite all your theorizing about his lack of expertise, the fact still remains that he was within one inch or less of successfully killing the leading presidential candidate.

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He took a shot with a rifle from 125 yards. There's zero shock he came close. It's a very, very easy shot.

For him to be a patsy someone had to set him up and he had to willingly choose to give up his life for some cause. A cause that literally no one knows…so not a very good cause.

Want to ask how he managed to just wander up to the roof with a rifle well that's fair game.

He took 8 shots, accidentally killed the wrong person, missed his target and had his head turned in to jello. Assuming he knew he was giving up his life (which I assume he had to know) then he was a terrible failure and he used a gun for hunting squirrels and rodents.

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Everyone knows the cause - the cause was to kill Trump. As for motive, easy to guess that as well, since his intent was to kill Trump. As for setting him up, it's not hard to imagine a list of people.

What's hard to imagine is that he roamed freely for half an hour and was on the roof with a rifle spotted by snipers and Trump was not removed from the stage.

As for him knowing he would die, I agree that he likely did. But as a discussion point, if he knew that he was going to be taken out, I do have to wonder why he had the explosives rigged to a remote. Maybe he thought he'd get away with a distraction. If there was an outside instigator, maybe someone convinced him of the same. what do you all think about the explosives. seems like just an odd measure.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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nein51 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BearlyHeardFrom said:

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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The part that's hard to believe in, is how he was able to take the shots to begin with, on that particular building. A conspiracy does not require the shooter to be an expert. You do know what a patsy is, don't you? And despite all your theorizing about his lack of expertise, the fact still remains that he was within one inch or less of successfully killing the leading presidential candidate.

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He took a shot with a rifle from 125 yards. There's zero shock he came close. It's a very, very easy shot.

For him to be a patsy someone had to set him up and he had to willingly choose to give up his life for some cause. A cause that literally no one knows…so not a very good cause.

Want to ask how he managed to just wander up to the roof with a rifle well that's fair game.

He took 8 shots, accidentally killed the wrong person, missed his target and had his head turned in to jello. Assuming he knew he was giving up his life (which I assume he had to know) then he was a terrible failure and he used a gun for hunting squirrels and rodents.

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Everyone knows the cause - the cause was to kill Trump. As for motive, easy to guess that as well, since his intent was to kill Trump. As for setting him up, it's not hard to imagine a list of people.

What's hard to imagine is that he roamed freely for half an hour and was on the roof with a rifle spotted by snipers and Trump was not removed from the stage.

As for him knowing he would die, I agree that he likely did. But as a discussion point, if he knew that he was going to be taken out, I do have to wonder why he had the explosives rigged to a remote. Maybe he thought he'd get away with a distraction. If there was an outside instigator, maybe someone convinced him of the same. what do you all think about the explosives. seems like just an odd measure.

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That was my thought as well - the car explosion was to be a getaway distraction. He couldn't have planned to set it off before shooting, because that only would have led to his target (Trump) being immediately moved away by Secret Service.

Yep. Right up there with 9/11 CIA disaster

Oldbear83 said:

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I just don't see any conspiracists counting on Crooks to get the job done.

This is very much a case of institutional blunders built into moronic policy.

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and a lot of coincidences. OR, he was a good enough bet that he still hit his target despite be thwarted by the infinitesimal chance that Trump would turn his head at the exact right moment at the exact right angle.

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Yep. Right up there with 9/11 CIA disaster

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Which reminds me - where was Joe Biden, really, on 9/11/01?

Trump giving his account of the shooting. He says he will only share these details once.
"In order to see the chart...turned to my right...when I heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really hard on my right ear. I said wow what was that." @FOX4 pic.twitter.com/RwcwgDSOTP

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Why don't we at least wait until after the investigations by the FBI and congressional committees before acting with certainty that this is a huge conspiracy?

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Because I at least have zero confidence in the willingness of the government that brought us the "Hunter's laptop is Russian disinformation" excuse to tell us the truth about anything.

I don't think this was a "big conspiracy". It was probably a small conspiracy with no more than a handful of people inside the secret service in on it arranging for chronically substandard protection with the hopes that an assassin would kill him.

Whether Mayorkas and Cheatle were actually in on it is a matter of debate, but I suspect it works something like this. Biden "It is time to put a Bullseye on Trump.". Mayorkas & Cheatle internally to John Doe: "John, life is going to be pretty tough for the agency if Trump is reelected." Then John Doe takes care of the details. At least if you believe the testimony of the CIA to the Church Committee.

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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I've heard/read several reports that the rifle was "22 caliber" which of course could mean ANY 22 caliber round, from 22 Short all the way up to the 224 Weatherby Magnum. Have not heard any specifically citing the 22lr loading. Most likely candidate would be .223 Remington (aka 5.56x45 Nato), just given range involved and the AR pattern weapon. If the shooter did buy a box of .223 rather than 5.56, any journalist not versed in the legerdemane of calibers would overlook the detail that a .223 is the civilian functional equivalent of the 5.56Nato round.

for the scenario we're talking about, 22lr makes a ton more sense in a pistol than rifle, due to concealability a pistol would afforded in circumstances where such is necessary. If you're going to give up the inherent advantage of concealment (carrying a rifle), makes no sense not to upgrade to a more capable cartridge.

Reagan was shot with a 22lr (pistol) from very close range 10 feet or so. The bullet pierced his ribcage and lungs but did not quite make it to the heart. At 130 yds range, that same bullet might not have made it much past the ribcage. Terminal ballistics are applied physics. A round must have mass to retain energy. 22lr bullets (at 30-40grs bullet wt.) just don't have the mass to retain the energy needed for deep penetration at triple-digit ranges. Even the 223/5.56 round (with 55-62gr bullets) starts suffering penetration performance issues at ranges exceeding 300yds (ergo US military testing of the new 6mm round for future battle rifles.)

One can improvise, use skill and precise execution to push the limits of anything. Karamojo Bell made a name for himself as an African elephant hunter with a 264 Mannlicher (6mm round). Killed over 1000 elephants. He knew the anatomy, got in close, and was one of the finest marksmen ever. Does that mean ANY 6mm round is to be recommended for elephant hunting? Nope. Virtually every PH of the modern age carries a .470 Nitro (or equivalent) double rifle with a 500gt bullet, nearly10x the weight of the 5.56Nato round. Because, as Ruark said....."use enough gun." You need the extra margins of power to give you some latitude to overcome minor execution flaws.

Karamojo could be expected to note that, at 130yds, a 22lr would be at risk, in some scenarios, of making a direct hit at desired point of impact but not delivering a fatal wound.....

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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I've heard/read several reports that the rifle was "22 caliber" which of course could mean ANY 22 caliber round, from 22 Short all the way up to the 224 Weatherby Magnum. Have not heard any specifically citing the 22lr loading. Most likely candidate would be .223 Remington (aka 5.56x45 Nato), just given range involved and the AR pattern weapon. If the shooter did buy a box of .223 rather than 5.56, any journalist not versed in the legerdemane of calibers would overlook the detail that a .223 is the civilian functional equivalent of the 5.56Nato round.

for the scenario we're talking about, 22lr makes a ton more sense in a pistol than rifle, due to concealability a pistol would afforded in circumstances where such is necessary. If you're going to give up the inherent advantage of concealment (carrying a rifle), makes no sense not to upgrade to a more capable cartridge.

Reagan was shot with a 22lr (pistol) from very close range 10 feet or so. The bullet pierced his ribcage and lungs but did not quite make it to the heart. At 130 yds range, that same bullet might not have made it much past the ribcage. Terminal ballistics are applied physics. A round must have mass to retain energy. 22lr bullets (at 30-40grs bullet wt.) just don't have the mass to retain the energy needed for deep penetration at triple-digit ranges. Even the 223/5.56 round (with 55-62gr bullets) starts suffering penetration performance issues at ranges exceeding 300yds (ergo US military testing of the new 6mm round for future battle rifles.)

One can improvise, use skill and precise execution to push the limits of anything. Karamojo Bell made a name for himself as an African elephant hunter with a 264 Mannlicher (6mm round). Killed over 1000 elephants. He knew the anatomy, got in close, and was one of the finest marksmen ever. Does that mean ANY 6mm round is to be recommended for elephant hunting? Nope. Virtually every PH of the modern age carries a .470 Nitro (or equivalent) double rifle with a 500gt bullet, nearly10x the weight of the 5.56Nato round. Because, as Ruark said....."use enough gun." You need the extra margins of power to give you some latitude to overcome minor execution flaws.

Karamojo could be expected to note that, at 130yds, a 22lr would be at risk, in some scenarios, of making a direct hit at desired point of impact but not delivering a fatal wound.....

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Nice post...

So, either the guy intended to wound/incapacitate, was an elite marksman, OR didn't know what he was doing and used whatever was available. Based on headshot and missing, I say he didn't know any better.

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Trump giving his account of the shooting. He says he will only share these details once.
"In order to see the chart...turned to my right...when I heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really hard on my right ear. I said wow what was that." @FOX4 pic.twitter.com/RwcwgDSOTP

— Steven Dial (@StevenDialFox4) July 19, 2024

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Trump and Republicans in general grotesquely overplayed the assassination narrative at their convention.

Suspect most Americans have already heard enough about it and by November will be totally sick of the renditions.

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You want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole? Go look at who shorted the Trump related Truth Social stocks (DJT) the day before the attempt. Then go look at the major investors in those funds and who has served in the board.

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Saw that.

Austin Private Wealth LLC, which is majority-owned by George Soros and BlackRock.

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Yet, they chose this clown kid with his Daddy's AR... Who literally had on brown clothing on a white roof.

That is the one kicker... That makes no sense.

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And it would have worked if Trump had not turned his head.

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That is the point. We are talking planning to a level of detail the includes shorting stocks before. And they use a kid that missed at 165?

I mean everything is detailed, except the shooter? Seems a lot of risk resting in the hands of a kid that didn't make the high school target shooting club.

Hey, you guys are probably right. If being run by the "Deep State", only thing that would make sense would be expendable and didn't matter if he missed.

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Except he didn't miss. Trump turned his head at the last second. And Trump still got hit.

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But wouldn't an expert go for center mass and not a headshot?

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No expert or pro is using a .22 either.

.338 Lapua or .300 Win Mag are essentially the tools of the pro. Not a .22 not a .223 not a .556 or a .762.

.338 Lapua will go through body armor at 1,000 meters and is incredibly stable…and if you hit your target center mass which is a much easier shot than a head shot there's no, um, getting up.

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Even if it were a .762, maybe a military wannabe. But a .22 from 165 yards?

Snipers are trained to go head, but with a much more precise weapon. I would bet that AR was zeroed for 25 yards, if at all.

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You should be putting 5 rounds from a .22 AR within about 2-3" from 125 yards, unless it's blowing gale force you don't even really have to account for windage. However , it's a super lethal round because it likes to tumble around inside a body and causes all sorts of damage.

A rifle zeroed from 25 yards means you suck (sorry if that offends anyone). You're literally plinking cans with a .22; no recoil at all.

But no pro in the world is using a .22. To your point no wannabe is using a .22. A pro would also have landed plenty of the next 8 rounds but it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have missed a shot that close anyhow.

It's just not hard to believe this is a troubled person who thought he was about to be infamous who took and missed a very easy shot.

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I've heard/read several reports that the rifle was "22 caliber" which of course could mean ANY 22 caliber round, from 22 Short all the way up to the 224 Weatherby Magnum. Have not heard any specifically citing the 22lr loading. Most likely candidate would be .223 Remington (aka 5.56x45 Nato), just given range involved and the AR pattern weapon. If the shooter did buy a box of .223 rather than 5.56, any journalist not versed in the legerdemane of calibers would overlook the detail that a .223 is the civilian functional equivalent of the 5.56Nato round.

for the scenario we're talking about, 22lr makes a ton more sense in a pistol than rifle, due to concealability a pistol would afforded in circumstances where such is necessary. If you're going to give up the inherent advantage of concealment (carrying a rifle), makes no sense not to upgrade to a more capable cartridge.

Reagan was shot with a 22lr (pistol) from very close range 10 feet or so. The bullet pierced his ribcage and lungs but did not quite make it to the heart. At 130 yds range, that same bullet might not have made it much past the ribcage. Terminal ballistics are applied physics. A round must have mass to retain energy. 22lr bullets (at 30-40grs bullet wt.) just don't have the mass to retain the energy needed for deep penetration at triple-digit ranges. Even the 223/5.56 round (with 55-62gr bullets) starts suffering penetration performance issues at ranges exceeding 300yds (ergo US military testing of the new 6mm round for future battle rifles.)

One can improvise, use skill and precise execution to push the limits of anything. Karamojo Bell made a name for himself as an African elephant hunter with a 264 Mannlicher (6mm round). Killed over 1000 elephants. He knew the anatomy, got in close, and was one of the finest marksmen ever. Does that mean ANY 6mm round is to be recommended for elephant hunting? Nope. Virtually every PH of the modern age carries a .470 Nitro (or equivalent) double rifle with a 500gt bullet, nearly10x the weight of the 5.56Nato round. Because, as Ruark said....."use enough gun." You need the extra margins of power to give you some latitude to overcome minor execution flaws.

Karamojo could be expected to note that, at 130yds, a 22lr would be at risk, in some scenarios, of making a direct hit at desired point of impact but not delivering a fatal wound.....

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Nice post...

So, either the guy intended to wound/incapacitate, was an elite marksman, OR didn't know what he was doing and used whatever was available. Based on headshot and missing, I say he didn't know any better.

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my money is on the slot that says the guy had a 5.56 AR but bought boxes of .223 ammo. Then the reporters saw the "223" nomenclature and called it "22 caliber" without realizing the water was a bit deeper than that. Then, most hunters/gun owners hear "22 caliber" and think "22lr."

and, of course, it's also possible that the neophyte just used what was available. Sounds like the rifle was purchased several years ago, when he was a child. Possibly the rifle his father taught him to shoot with. An AR frame rifle cambered in 22lr is commercially available but not exactly a hot seller. Same for 9mmNato. You can get an AR frame rifle in 9mm, but it's far less common. there are lots cheaper ways to get your kid a 22lr than on an AR frame. You can get a Ruger 10/22 for a little over $300 bucks.

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I've heard/read several reports that the rifle was "22 caliber" which of course could mean ANY 22 caliber round, from 22 Short all the way up to the 224 Weatherby Magnum. Have not heard any specifically citing the 22lr loading. Most likely candidate would be .223 Remington (aka 5.56x45 Nato), just given range involved and the AR pattern weapon. If the shooter did buy a box of .223 rather than 5.56, any journalist not versed in the legerdemane of calibers would overlook the detail that a .223 is the civilian functional equivalent of the 5.56Nato round.

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Nobody who knows anything about guns calls a .223 round a 22. A 22 caliber round universally refers to .22LR, at least among those who know about guns.

They are very different rounds. A 223 has a much larger casing and its bullet exits the muzzle at 3,800 fps over three times faster than the 22 LR at 1,200 fps. This also means the 223's muzzle energy is nearly ten times greater. You aren't killing someone at 150 yards with 22LR.

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The more I read the more ridiculous it is. A cop tried to confront the guy but backed down when he pointed the rifle at him. They absolutely knew he was there with a rifle. I just dont understand this level of incompetence.

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Think of it this way, and I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's plausible: the ruling elite have major risks both financially and criminally if Trump is elected. They need him gone.

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There are a lot of financial elites including Trump himself that fully support him and are pushing him to win. And if you believe this, what financial risks are out there for them?

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Only one faction has the true financial elites...the other has a motely collection of left over financial elites, who for whatever reason, are alienated from the other Oligarchs.


[The idea of an American center that is manfully holding the extremists of 'both sides' in check is a palliative illusion drawn from a bygone time and place that ain't coming back.
Instead of two radical extreme wings flanking a sober center, as the important commentators want us to believe, there are in fact only two sides in American politics now.

One is the Democratic Party, a power vertical that mediates between the interests of the country's billionaire oligarchs; its corporate elite; the ranks of elite professionals; the press, which functions as the propaganda arm of the party; the billionaire-funded NGO complex, through which billionaires fund party "organizers" who turn out votes and pressure the bureaucracy and its corporate analogues; public employees unions; academics; and the various state-sanctioned identity buckets from which votes are harvested and to which public benefits are distributed.

Then there is the Republican Party of Donald Trump, a bucket of social losers and other undesirables, like family farmers and white working-class voters, who of course are all racists; religious people, who are crazy and whose children will eventually hate them if they don't already; car dealers from Wisconsin with three or fewer dealerships; small businessmen who sell things like miracle pillows; and a few billionaires whom the majority of the other billionaires don't like.

Now, America being a free country, it's perfectly acceptable for any citizen, myself included, to disapprove of both sides in this equation, to instinctively dislike the powerful while at the same time being repelled by the aesthetic and other shortcomings of the powerless.]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/portal-donald-trump-elon-musk-david-samuels?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Did you read the post?

"Only one faction has the true financial elites...the other has a motely collection of left over financial elites, who for whatever reason, are alienated from the other Oligarchs."

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Koch brothers, Exxon, Valero, Chevron??

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Koch bro's are magnates who whole heartedly support the right. Don't understand ExxonMobil, Valero, Chevron. Those are public companies.

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Was a shorthand for the Oil elites that made their millions and billions from those companies that are assuredly on the right.

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someone has to pump petrochemicals to power your car, Fire your heat and ac (gas). Your bottled water and most everything else that is plastic.

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I'm not trying to be critical of the oil and gas industry. Just saying that there is in existence the energy elites and they mostly skew right.

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Because I at least have zero confidence in the willingness of the government that brought us the "Hunter's laptop is Russian disinformation" excuse to tell us the truth about anything.

I don't think this was a "big conspiracy". It was probably a small conspiracy with no more than a handful of people inside the secret service in on it arranging for chronically substandard protection with the hopes that an assassin would kill him.

Whether Mayorkas and Cheatle were actually in on it is a matter of debate, but I suspect it works something like this. Biden "It is time to put a Bullseye on Trump.". Mayorkas & Cheatle internally to John Doe: "John, life is going to be pretty tough for the agency if Trump is reelected." Then John Doe takes care of the details. At least if you believe the testimony of the CIA to the Church Committee.

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That Biden quote was from a private call to donors that got leaked. If you are saying the head of Homeland Security and the head of the Secret Service planned or at least allowed this to happen because of a leaked phone call from the President of the United States then how in the world is that not a HUGE conspiracy???

So because former security officials claimed the hard drive released three weeks before the presidential election had "the earmarks of Russian propaganda" (We know Russia tries to interfere with our elections) you refuse to trust any government investigation?

If the FBI is so in bed with Biden and the Dems, why did they investigate Hunter for crimes in 2019?

If the FBI is so corrupt why have they already leaked that the shooter searched for Trump campaign dates and locations? Couldn't they just come out with a fake manifesto that was more favorable to the Dems?

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Trump giving his account of the shooting. He says he will only share these details once.
"In order to see the chart...turned to my right...when I heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really hard on my right ear. I said wow what was that." @FOX4 pic.twitter.com/RwcwgDSOTP

— Steven Dial (@StevenDialFox4) July 19, 2024

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Trump and Republicans in general grotesquely overplayed the assassination narrative at their convention.

Suspect most Americans have already heard enough about it and by November will be totally sick of the renditions.

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Well this was the right time to play up the assassination attempt.

But you are right that it will be old news by November

It would be good if the election was in two weeks and not several months.

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I've heard/read several reports that the rifle was "22 caliber" which of course could mean ANY 22 caliber round, from 22 Short all the way up to the 224 Weatherby Magnum. Have not heard any specifically citing the 22lr loading. Most likely candidate would be .223 Remington (aka 5.56x45 Nato), just given range involved and the AR pattern weapon. If the shooter did buy a box of .223 rather than 5.56, any journalist not versed in the legerdemane of calibers would overlook the detail that a .223 is the civilian functional equivalent of the 5.56Nato round.

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Nobody who knows anything about guns calls a .223 round a 22. A 22 caliber round universally refers to .22LR, at least among those who know about guns.

They are very different rounds. A 223 has a much larger casing and its bullet exits the muzzle at 3,800 fps over three times faster than the 22 LR at 1,200 fps. This also means the 223's muzzle energy is nearly ten times greater. You aren't killing someone at 150 yards with 22LR.

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Yea, I have an AR-15, and a .22LR the difference in the ammo between .22LR and .223 is astronomical.

I'm sure the ammo was .223 which is compatible with an AR-15, a .22LR rifle wouldn't be able to shoot the .223 ammo.

Yes you can kill with the.22LR round, but it would need to be a well placed shot in a very vital area.

A .223 round would virtually blow part of your head off from 130 yards. That would have been really ugly if the shot had been 1/2 inch or even less to the right.

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Poor ole Rudy. A shadow of the man he use to be. Aging can be/is difficult.

Vaxxed? https://t.co/czGaKU2WeI

— Molly (@FSUmollz) July 17, 2024

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Old age will catch up with us all.

Rudy is also 80 years old.

Most 80 year old are sitting at the house or in the retirement home right now.
If they are fortunate they can still mow the yard and drive distances to visit their children.

Biden and Rudy, they are still trying to operate. It's tough.
Biden is really not that bad for 81, but he's 81.

As for me, I'm in my 60's and am on a mission to get my weight back down to the level it was
when I was very fit. That would be around 235 lbs. I've been as high as 338 lbs, but right now I'm sitting
at 279, and still dropping. Another 40 lbs and I will be very satified.

If I'm going to live a long life and be relatively healthy, there is no other option. My parents lived to
90 and 89 years old. I want to make it that far, but in good health.

Even then, 80+ years of age is not for the faint of heart. Many of your friends have died, a lot of the family you grew up with are gone, the folks that are left are often incapacitated in some way, most can't get around real well, most are tied down to some type of meds.

We generally need to be more gracious towards the elderly, if we are fortunate well will be there one day.

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You and I were similar sizes at one time. Weights been all over the place in my life, as high as 308. I played college ball at 215-220. Later I modeled at 180. Two years ago when I was in the ICU with Septic UTI and a week at 106 temperature, dropped to 147. Stabilized now at about 185, give or take. The lower you can go comfortably, the better you will feel. Hang in there, get to walking!

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Thanks Assasin. The lowest I could possible get is about 225. Man you are doing well at 185, that would be my HS weight and I know that will never happen, but 225 to 235 is a real possibilty. Hope all is well with you!

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Trump giving his account of the shooting. He says he will only share these details once.
"In order to see the chart...turned to my right...when I heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really hard on my right ear. I said wow what was that." @FOX4 pic.twitter.com/RwcwgDSOTP

— Steven Dial (@StevenDialFox4) July 19, 2024

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Trump and Republicans in general grotesquely overplayed the assassination narrative at their convention.

Suspect most Americans have already heard enough about it and by November will be totally sick of the renditions.

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Agree. Trump's speech got creepy and cringy.

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Trump giving his account of the shooting. He says he will only share these details once.
"In order to see the chart...turned to my right...when I heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really hard on my right ear. I said wow what was that." @FOX4 pic.twitter.com/RwcwgDSOTP

— Steven Dial (@StevenDialFox4) July 19, 2024

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Trump and Republicans in general grotesquely overplayed the assassination narrative at their convention.

Suspect most Americans have already heard enough about it and by November will be totally sick of the renditions.

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Agree. Trump's speech got creepy and cringy.

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Yea, he was doing pretty well for him at the beginning, but they he started his normal rambling. And then he went on and on and on and on.............

1 hour 33 minutes.

He should have kept it to 45 minutes tops.

I reckon Trumps speech would've been better if he did closer to the time after his assassination. It probably would've focused more around Unity and all the good stuff

By thursday the trauma has settled and Trump is back to normal