J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically? Is life a multitude easier than it was in 1986? Technology not outsourcing has been the killer of the manufacturing worker, and the driver of our innovation that has propelled us. It's in a constant pursuit of minimizing human necessity in repeatable process tasks, and as AI progresses it's going much more complex.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it. Where we failed was being unwilling to actually deregulate to the level necessary to compete. We continue to hang onto labor value perspectives that are becoming obsolescent. Our auto industry still languishes in these historical burdens. We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts. And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We've gone next level in complaining about our lot ( which is pretty damn good comparatively), but we have a long way to go in actually trying to make the necessary changes if we want to get back to the low ends of the supply chain. Take mining for example. We don't need to buy Greenland to get into rare earth minerals again. We just need the fortitude to change our laws. Are we ready? Words are cheap and easy, actions not so much.

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1. It actually debatable if we are stronger than during the time of Reagan

We do not yet have a major peer super power competitor to challenge us (though China is trying to get there)

[More than 60,000 manufacturing plants have closed in the United States since 1998. This has led to the loss of millions of jobs. The decline in manufacturing has devastated local economies and workers in industrial areas. Rural areas have been particularly hard hit by the closure of small factories.]

A great power war would tell us very quickly if we are stronger or weaker since the 1980s

2. De-industrialization of the American heartland was not just the work of dispassionate market forces....it was deliberate policy in many cases.

[Across the manufacturing sector, sophisticated industries that once served as the backbone of U.S. economic prosperity are dwindling in terms of both output and employment. Evidence of this U.S. deindustrialization should be raising red flags for U.S. policy makers, given manufacturing's long-recognized contribution to economic growth and prosperity, as well as the problematic manufacturing-driven trade and current account deficits (for more detail, see Hersh 2003). But rather than suffering through sleepless nights, U.S. policy
makers have met manufacturing's decline with a series of public policy choices that place U.S. manufacturing at a competitive disadvantage against foreign producers and provide perverse incentives for companies to relocate manufacturing overseas. In other words, U.S. deindustrialization is not simply a result of natural economic evolution, but also owes to policy makers' remarkable indifference to the manufacturing economy]

file:///C:/Users/James/Downloads/1285-Article%20Text-1766-1-10-20150205%20(2).pdf

3. Tariffs are about equalizing trade.....not killing free trade

You can still buy, sell, trade what products and services you want.

[New reciprocal Trump tariffs aim to match the already existing tariffs other countries place on U.S. goods]

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3. Tariffs don't equalize trade. They distort markets and protect inefficient companies, not to mention punish consumers as well as domestic producers, particular ones with diverse supply chain requirements. It's also incorrect to think of global trade as a zero sum game requiring it to be "equal".

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Buddy the markets were already distorted by the tariffs that already exist in other countries and are imposed by our trading partners....along with a vast array of other dirty tricks

I grant you that a world of no nuclear weapons and no tariffs would be ideal.

But in a world where others are cheating on trade it is the only way to bring about some level of equal trade and protect Americans from savage trade practices.

[The sneaky ways countries cheat the U.S. on trade

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/19/investing/wilbur-ross-china-cheating-trade/index.html]

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Hey Red, obviously you don't know that the tariffs on the books before this new trump nonsense are the tariffs Trump agreed to and singed in his first term. I didn't think you did. Do you homework, son. Now he wants a re do. laughable.

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

---

Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically? Is life a multitude easier than it was in 1986? Technology not outsourcing has been the killer of the manufacturing worker, and the driver of our innovation that has propelled us. It's in a constant pursuit of minimizing human necessity in repeatable process tasks, and as AI progresses it's going much more complex.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it. Where we failed was being unwilling to actually deregulate to the level necessary to compete. We continue to hang onto labor value perspectives that are becoming obsolescent. Our auto industry still languishes in these historical burdens. We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts. And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We've gone next level in complaining about our lot ( which is pretty damn good comparatively), but we have a long way to go in actually trying to make the necessary changes if we want to get back to the low ends of the supply chain. Take mining for example. We don't need to buy Greenland to get into rare earth minerals again. We just need the fortitude to change our laws. Are we ready? Words are cheap and easy, actions not so much.

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1. It actually debatable if we are stronger than during the time of Reagan

We do not yet have a major peer super power competitor to challenge us (though China is trying to get there)

[More than 60,000 manufacturing plants have closed in the United States since 1998. This has led to the loss of millions of jobs. The decline in manufacturing has devastated local economies and workers in industrial areas. Rural areas have been particularly hard hit by the closure of small factories.]

A great power war would tell us very quickly if we are stronger or weaker since the 1980s

2. De-industrialization of the American heartland was not just the work of dispassionate market forces....it was deliberate policy in many cases.

[Across the manufacturing sector, sophisticated industries that once served as the backbone of U.S. economic prosperity are dwindling in terms of both output and employment. Evidence of this U.S. deindustrialization should be raising red flags for U.S. policy makers, given manufacturing's long-recognized contribution to economic growth and prosperity, as well as the problematic manufacturing-driven trade and current account deficits (for more detail, see Hersh 2003). But rather than suffering through sleepless nights, U.S. policy
makers have met manufacturing's decline with a series of public policy choices that place U.S. manufacturing at a competitive disadvantage against foreign producers and provide perverse incentives for companies to relocate manufacturing overseas. In other words, U.S. deindustrialization is not simply a result of natural economic evolution, but also owes to policy makers' remarkable indifference to the manufacturing economy]

file:///C:/Users/James/Downloads/1285-Article%20Text-1766-1-10-20150205%20(2).pdf

3. Tariffs are about equalizing trade.....not killing free trade

You can still buy, sell, trade what products and services you want.

[New reciprocal Trump tariffs aim to match the already existing tariffs other countries place on U.S. goods]

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3. Tariffs don't equalize trade. They distort markets and protect inefficient companies, not to mention punish consumers as well as domestic producers, particular ones with diverse supply chain requirements. It's also incorrect to think of global trade as a zero sum game requiring it to be "equal".

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Buddy the markets were already distorted by the tariffs that already exist in other countries and are imposed by our trading partners....along with a vast array of other dirty tricks

I grant you that a world of no nuclear weapons and no tariffs would be ideal.

But in a world where others are cheating on trade it is the only way to bring about some level of equal trade and protect Americans from savage trade practices.

[The sneaky ways countries cheat the U.S. on trade

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/19/investing/wilbur-ross-china-cheating-trade/index.html]

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Hey Red, obviously you don't know that the tariffs on the books before this new trump nonsense are the tariffs Trump agreed to and singed in his first term. I didn't think you did. Do you homework, son. Now he wants a re do. laughable.

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The very tariffs that Biden kept in place because they were successful

[Biden will keep Trump's China tariffs, and add new ones...]

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/10/1250670539/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

---

Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically? Is life a multitude easier than it was in 1986? Technology not outsourcing has been the killer of the manufacturing worker, and the driver of our innovation that has propelled us. It's in a constant pursuit of minimizing human necessity in repeatable process tasks, and as AI progresses it's going much more complex.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it. Where we failed was being unwilling to actually deregulate to the level necessary to compete. We continue to hang onto labor value perspectives that are becoming obsolescent. Our auto industry still languishes in these historical burdens. We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts. And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We've gone next level in complaining about our lot ( which is pretty damn good comparatively), but we have a long way to go in actually trying to make the necessary changes if we want to get back to the low ends of the supply chain. Take mining for example. We don't need to buy Greenland to get into rare earth minerals again. We just need the fortitude to change our laws. Are we ready? Words are cheap and easy, actions not so much.

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1. It actually debatable if we are stronger than during the time of Reagan

We do not yet have a major peer super power competitor to challenge us (though China is trying to get there)

[More than 60,000 manufacturing plants have closed in the United States since 1998. This has led to the loss of millions of jobs. The decline in manufacturing has devastated local economies and workers in industrial areas. Rural areas have been particularly hard hit by the closure of small factories.]

A great power war would tell us very quickly if we are stronger or weaker since the 1980s

2. De-industrialization of the American heartland was not just the work of dispassionate market forces....it was deliberate policy in many cases.

[Across the manufacturing sector, sophisticated industries that once served as the backbone of U.S. economic prosperity are dwindling in terms of both output and employment. Evidence of this U.S. deindustrialization should be raising red flags for U.S. policy makers, given manufacturing's long-recognized contribution to economic growth and prosperity, as well as the problematic manufacturing-driven trade and current account deficits (for more detail, see Hersh 2003). But rather than suffering through sleepless nights, U.S. policy
makers have met manufacturing's decline with a series of public policy choices that place U.S. manufacturing at a competitive disadvantage against foreign producers and provide perverse incentives for companies to relocate manufacturing overseas. In other words, U.S. deindustrialization is not simply a result of natural economic evolution, but also owes to policy makers' remarkable indifference to the manufacturing economy]

file:///C:/Users/James/Downloads/1285-Article%20Text-1766-1-10-20150205%20(2).pdf

3. Tariffs are about equalizing trade.....not killing free trade

You can still buy, sell, trade what products and services you want.

[New reciprocal Trump tariffs aim to match the already existing tariffs other countries place on U.S. goods]

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3. Tariffs don't equalize trade. They distort markets and protect inefficient companies, not to mention punish consumers as well as domestic producers, particular ones with diverse supply chain requirements. It's also incorrect to think of global trade as a zero sum game requiring it to be "equal".

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Buddy the markets were already distorted by the tariffs that already exist in other countries and are imposed by our trading partners....along with a vast array of other dirty tricks

I grant you that a world of no nuclear weapons and no tariffs would be ideal.

But in a world where others are cheating on trade it is the only way to bring about some level of equal trade and protect Americans from savage trade practices.

[The sneaky ways countries cheat the U.S. on trade

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/19/investing/wilbur-ross-china-cheating-trade/index.html]

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Hey Red, obviously you don't know that the tariffs on the books before this new trump nonsense are the tariffs Trump agreed to and singed in his first term. I didn't think you did. Do you homework, son. Now he wants a re do. laughable.

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The very tariffs that Biden kept in place because they were successful

[Biden will keep Trump's China tariffs, and add new ones...]

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/10/1250670539/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles

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New tariffs by fat boy are clearly NOT successful. So, much so that fat boy blinked and is walking a lot of them back. He knows he offed up by any measure. And the hits keep coming.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/06/layoff-announcements-soar-to-the-highest-since-2020-as-doge-slashes-federal-staff-.html

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

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BREAKING: Trump has just said: Globalists are behind stock market sell off.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) March 6, 2025

US Treasury Secretary Bessent: Trump has stopped calling for Fed rate cuts.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) March 6, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

---

Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically? Is life a multitude easier than it was in 1986? Technology not outsourcing has been the killer of the manufacturing worker, and the driver of our innovation that has propelled us. It's in a constant pursuit of minimizing human necessity in repeatable process tasks, and as AI progresses it's going much more complex.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it. Where we failed was being unwilling to actually deregulate to the level necessary to compete. We continue to hang onto labor value perspectives that are becoming obsolescent. Our auto industry still languishes in these historical burdens. We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts. And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We've gone next level in complaining about our lot ( which is pretty damn good comparatively), but we have a long way to go in actually trying to make the necessary changes if we want to get back to the low ends of the supply chain. Take mining for example. We don't need to buy Greenland to get into rare earth minerals again. We just need the fortitude to change our laws. Are we ready? Words are cheap and easy, actions not so much.

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1. It actually debatable if we are stronger than during the time of Reagan

We do not yet have a major peer super power competitor to challenge us (though China is trying to get there)

[More than 60,000 manufacturing plants have closed in the United States since 1998. This has led to the loss of millions of jobs. The decline in manufacturing has devastated local economies and workers in industrial areas. Rural areas have been particularly hard hit by the closure of small factories.]

A great power war would tell us very quickly if we are stronger or weaker since the 1980s

2. De-industrialization of the American heartland was not just the work of dispassionate market forces....it was deliberate policy in many cases.

[Across the manufacturing sector, sophisticated industries that once served as the backbone of U.S. economic prosperity are dwindling in terms of both output and employment. Evidence of this U.S. deindustrialization should be raising red flags for U.S. policy makers, given manufacturing's long-recognized contribution to economic growth and prosperity, as well as the problematic manufacturing-driven trade and current account deficits (for more detail, see Hersh 2003). But rather than suffering through sleepless nights, U.S. policy
makers have met manufacturing's decline with a series of public policy choices that place U.S. manufacturing at a competitive disadvantage against foreign producers and provide perverse incentives for companies to relocate manufacturing overseas. In other words, U.S. deindustrialization is not simply a result of natural economic evolution, but also owes to policy makers' remarkable indifference to the manufacturing economy]

file:///C:/Users/James/Downloads/1285-Article%20Text-1766-1-10-20150205%20(2).pdf

3. Tariffs are about equalizing trade.....not killing free trade

You can still buy, sell, trade what products and services you want.

[New reciprocal Trump tariffs aim to match the already existing tariffs other countries place on U.S. goods]

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3. Tariffs don't equalize trade. They distort markets and protect inefficient companies, not to mention punish consumers as well as domestic producers, particular ones with diverse supply chain requirements. It's also incorrect to think of global trade as a zero sum game requiring it to be "equal".

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Buddy the markets were already distorted by the tariffs that already exist in other countries and are imposed by our trading partners....along with a vast array of other dirty tricks

I grant you that a world of no nuclear weapons and no tariffs would be ideal.

But in a world where others are cheating on trade it is the only way to bring about some level of equal trade and protect Americans from savage trade practices.

[The sneaky ways countries cheat the U.S. on trade

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/19/investing/wilbur-ross-china-cheating-trade/index.html]

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JUST IN: Over $1.1 trillion in value was lost from the US stock market today

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) March 6, 2025

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

---

Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Quote:

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

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Yes.

The Silver standard.

"a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed weight of silver."

It's about 100x more practical than gold based on the current spot price.

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“Women, we love you!”

Trump signs executive order declaring March Women’s History Month pic.twitter.com/W2yfww2Bt9

— Unpack With Jack Mac (@UnpackJackMac) March 6, 2025

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

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Yes.

The Silver standard.

"a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed weight of silver."

It's about 100x more practical than gold based on the current spot price.

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I was going to reply to some of your other typically inane posts, but this one is so disassociated from reality it just goes to show how outlandish your posts are.

First, there is under $2 Trillion in above ground silver in the ENTIRE WORLD. Our money supply is $21 Trillion. The required increase in the cost of silver to overcome that adjustment, especially if you thought we couldn't confiscate all of it around the world (another problem) is a mathematical impossibility. Especially when silver is not just a currency mineral, it's used in manufacturing.

Second, you worry about today's wars? Let me tell you about the days when empires needed gold and silver for their treasuries. Not to mention, how do you feel about being dependent upon Mexico and China for our money supply?

Finally, the ability to settle accounts and raise debt would be so restrictive that in addition to reducing economic output, destroy wages and property/asset values, we'd collapse every social safety net, starting with Social Security, in a very short time.

But yeah, great idea…

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Trump: "We don't need Canada's lumber. So what I'm doing is I'll be signing an executive order freeing up our forests so that we're allowed to take down trees and make a lot of money and then re-harvest trees ... we don't need anything from Canada." pic.twitter.com/IgUVc7oK9K

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 6, 2025

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically? Is life a multitude easier than it was in 1986? Technology not outsourcing has been the killer of the manufacturing worker, and the driver of our innovation that has propelled us. It's in a constant pursuit of minimizing human necessity in repeatable process tasks, and as AI progresses it's going much more complex.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it. Where we failed was being unwilling to actually deregulate to the level necessary to compete. We continue to hang onto labor value perspectives that are becoming obsolescent. Our auto industry still languishes in these historical burdens. We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts. And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We've gone next level in complaining about our lot ( which is pretty damn good comparatively), but we have a long way to go in actually trying to make the necessary changes if we want to get back to the low ends of the supply chain. Take mining for example. We don't need to buy Greenland to get into rare earth minerals again. We just need the fortitude to change our laws. Are we ready? Words are cheap and easy, actions not so much.

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1. It actually debatable if we are stronger than during the time of Reagan

We do not yet have a major peer super power competitor to challenge us (though China is trying to get there)

[More than 60,000 manufacturing plants have closed in the United States since 1998. This has led to the loss of millions of jobs. The decline in manufacturing has devastated local economies and workers in industrial areas. Rural areas have been particularly hard hit by the closure of small factories.]

A great power war would tell us very quickly if we are stronger or weaker since the 1980s

2. De-industrialization of the American heartland was not just the work of dispassionate market forces....it was deliberate policy in many cases.

[Across the manufacturing sector, sophisticated industries that once served as the backbone of U.S. economic prosperity are dwindling in terms of both output and employment. Evidence of this U.S. deindustrialization should be raising red flags for U.S. policy makers, given manufacturing's long-recognized contribution to economic growth and prosperity, as well as the problematic manufacturing-driven trade and current account deficits (for more detail, see Hersh 2003). But rather than suffering through sleepless nights, U.S. policy
makers have met manufacturing's decline with a series of public policy choices that place U.S. manufacturing at a competitive disadvantage against foreign producers and provide perverse incentives for companies to relocate manufacturing overseas. In other words, U.S. deindustrialization is not simply a result of natural economic evolution, but also owes to policy makers' remarkable indifference to the manufacturing economy]

file:///C:/Users/James/Downloads/1285-Article%20Text-1766-1-10-20150205%20(2).pdf

3. Tariffs are about equalizing trade.....not killing free trade

You can still buy, sell, trade what products and services you want.

[New reciprocal Trump tariffs aim to match the already existing tariffs other countries place on U.S. goods]

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3. Tariffs don't equalize trade. They distort markets and protect inefficient companies, not to mention punish consumers as well as domestic producers, particular ones with diverse supply chain requirements. It's also incorrect to think of global trade as a zero sum game requiring it to be "equal".

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Buddy the markets were already distorted by the tariffs that already exist in other countries and are imposed by our trading partners....along with a vast array of other dirty tricks

I grant you that a world of no nuclear weapons and no tariffs would be ideal.

But in a world where others are cheating on trade it is the only way to bring about some level of equal trade and protect Americans from savage trade practices.

[The sneaky ways countries cheat the U.S. on trade

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/19/investing/wilbur-ross-china-cheating-trade/index.html]

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It may come as a shock, but we cheat on trade in other countries as well. The WTO is full of disputes from many parties including the U.S. But back to tariffs, if you want to take America to the European model, you're not going to like the outcome. The protectionism has slowly and steadily marginalized their economies, caused permanent high prices for consumers, actually depressed manufacturing, and has increased their reliance upon other markets.

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

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Yes, the silver standard as backing to the US dollar, instead of gold. It's not a very well publicized concept but it is not new. It's reasonable imo.

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

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Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

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You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

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Yes, the silver standard as backing to the US dollar, instead of gold. It's not a very well publicized concept but it is not new. It's reasonable imo.

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There is a disconcerting amount of stupid on this board.

A lot of these folks aren't capable of complex, strategic, long term thinking or conscientious enough to think about the future of this country.

All they know how to do is support the current thing and add to our national debt.

"The media told me tariffs bad... so we need to support unfair trade and allow foreign companies to take over our markets."

"The media told me Ukraine good... so waste more money on a failed proxy war."

"The media told me H1B visas good... import more cheap, mediocre Indian labor."

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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BREAKING: Supreme Court DENIES President Trump‘s emergency bid to cancel nearly $2 billion in USAID spending. The vote is 5-4.

— Steven Mazie (@stevenmazie) March 5, 2025

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Wrong ruling based on jurisdiction. But correct -ish outcome since the pay was for work already performed (supposedly).

The right solution at a high level - is to stop the corrupt payment. The party where work was performed would sue in the correct jurisdiction and loosely prove they did the work/service. Then they would get paid.

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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BREAKING: Supreme Court DENIES President Trump‘s emergency bid to cancel nearly $2 billion in USAID spending. The vote is 5-4.

— Steven Mazie (@stevenmazie) March 5, 2025

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It was that stupid women that Trump appointed that tanked it.... when will conservatives learn? Stop electing/appointing women to these critical positions that require a steel spine.

Women are better than men at a lot of things, but they are not fighters and they crumble under pressure.

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I think she’s compromised.

After they marched on her house and Kavanaugh‘s house during the RvW reversal… Ever since she’s voted a majority with the Left.

Schumer knew what he was doing when he told people to insurrect at Scotus homes.

— PM Badger (@Oltedlou1) March 5, 2025

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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RINO. Reagan In Name Only…

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Reagan was not a demi-god

He was right about a lot

But he was dead wrong about amnesty for millions of 3rd worlders and was wrong about the de-industrialization of the USA

A USA without powerful manufacturing and production capabilities could never have defeated the communists in the USSR

And if America is going to defeat the communists in China it has to change course from the failed orthodoxies of the past few decades

Sending 50,000 factories and millions of jobs overseas does not in fact make us stronger

---

Just a question. Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not. Instead of protecting our advantage, a succession of idiotic leadership gave it all away.

Where you and others are lost is what Reagan and others like Milton Friedman understood. Trade, even if on unequal terms, pushes companies to innovate around it.

It pushes companies out of business and American workers into unemployment lines.

We don't need more metal press operators, we need engineers. That's where China, India, Europe and elsewhere beat our butts.

We need secure supply chains. This is vital to national defense. A child could understand this.

And now we want to limit our labor supply shortage through Visa limits.

We can take the top 0.00001%... but right now we are taking way too many mediocre 3rd worlders who take good middle class jobs away from actual Americans. AI and robotics will also reduce the need for a massive workforce.

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Per usual only about 25% of what you say is logical...

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Are we stronger today than we were when Reagan was President? Militarily? Economically?

Compared with the rest of the world. Absolutely not.

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When you start out with this brilliant gem, and end with questioning my logic, it just shows you're a few tacos short of a full combo plate.

---

You are a total and complete clown if you think America is wealthier and more powerful today than it was at the close of the cold war.

As a country, we are more dysgenic and ununified than ever before.

50% of the country has absolute contempt for the other 50%

Militarily - we spend far more than ever before with worse results. Outside of Desert Storm, we havent won a hot war or proxy war since the end of the cold war despite tens of trillions spent on defense.

Economically - we have historically high debt to GDP. In a decade of less, the annual interest on debt is going to double our GDP. And our fiat currency is increasingly worthless with the purchasing power of the dollar being 2.5 times less in 2020 than at the close of the cold war. I cant even find data on how much value the USD has lost since the COVID spending spree.

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in a war of fiat currencies, the goal is to have one that is still relevant. There is no currency in the world more relevant now, or in the near future than the US Dollar.

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Thats wonderful...

So the standard went from "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than your generation" to "your kid's generation will be wealthier and more prosperous than the kids in Zambia"

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every country on earth has fist currency. If you don't understand or know that, then you're dumber than your posts indicate.

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I guess that post went over your head...

Rather than embracing fiat currency and accepting America is suddenly no different than any other 3rd world ****hole, we should be aspiring to return our currency to the silver standard with an ultimate goal of returning to the gold standard.

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The Silver Standard?!!!!!

Ain't **** you say goes over my head you insolent mouthbreather.

---

Yes, the silver standard as backing to the US dollar, instead of gold. It's not a very well publicized concept but it is not new. It's reasonable imo.

---

There is a disconcerting amount of stupid on this board.

A lot of these folks aren't capable of complex, strategic, long term thinking or conscientious enough to think about the future of this country.

All they know how to do is support the current thing and add to our national debt.

"The media told me tariffs bad... so we need to support unfair trade and allow foreign companies to take over our markets."

"The media told me Ukraine good... so waste more money on a failed proxy war."

"The media told me H1B visas good... import more cheap, mediocre Indian labor."

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Your problem is you don't know how to educate people of your opinion without sounding like a loon.

As for indian labor, you bet we need to import indian labor for tech, there is absolutely not enough Americans to do the tech jobs. Sure, they need to control the numbers better and in a way that ensures kids in America are moving into that field and are hired over imported labor. But unless we do something like that, there is zero chance tech departments will fill much needed positions. Would love for tech do be "incentivized" to grow the tech job career education in the US.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Supreme Court DENIES President Trump‘s emergency bid to cancel nearly $2 billion in USAID spending. The vote is 5-4.

— Steven Mazie (@stevenmazie) March 5, 2025

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Wrong ruling based on jurisdiction. But correct -ish outcome since the pay was for work already performed (supposedly).

The right solution at a high level - is to stop the corrupt payment. (which Trump did). The party where work was performed would sue in the correct jurisdiction and loosely prove they did the work/service. Then they would get paid.

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Supposedly it was for work already done but if that work was fraudulent to begin with why should we taxpayers get stuck with the bill again?

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I hate to be the guy that points things out (because i want this to happen) but I don't think the fed gov has any oversight over how states conduct elections, at least not without congressional action, which is very unlikely - might be able to do the federal holiday

— Midwest State of Mind (@mwstateofmind) March 6, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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I hate to be the guy that points things out (because i want this to happen) but I don't think the fed gov has any oversight over how states conduct elections, at least not without congressional action, which is very unlikely - might be able to do the federal holiday

— Midwest State of Mind (@mwstateofmind) March 6, 2025

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4th and Inches said:

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boognish_bear said:

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I hate to be the guy that points things out (because i want this to happen) but I don't think the fed gov has any oversight over how states conduct elections, at least not without congressional action, which is very unlikely - might be able to do the federal holiday

— Midwest State of Mind (@mwstateofmind) March 6, 2025

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love the idea but the state legislatures set the rules on how the elections are administered

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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BREAKING: Supreme Court DENIES President Trump‘s emergency bid to cancel nearly $2 billion in USAID spending. The vote is 5-4.

— Steven Mazie (@stevenmazie) March 5, 2025

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Wrong ruling based on jurisdiction. But correct -ish outcome since the pay was for work already performed (supposedly).

The right solution at a high level - is to stop the corrupt payment. (which Trump did). The party where work was performed would sue in the correct jurisdiction and loosely prove they did the work/service. Then they would get paid.

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Supposedly it was for work already done but if that work was fraudulent to begin with why should we taxpayers get stuck with the bill again?

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Like I said, it was the correct outcome for "work performed", just the wrong way to get there due to both jurisdiction and the very reason you stated. The SC was completely off-base.

But the ivy league establishment and its back channels always take care of themselves. Ivy Leaguers nearly always control the purse strings of government. That's how they keep themselves all very wealthy, they have a complete ecosystem built around the government and the businesses that get its contracts.

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"80% of the most violent crime are by white supremacists" - Rep. Crockett (Completely fabricated statistic) pic.twitter.com/nhsxOappOA

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British Defense Secretary John Healey to @SecDef Hegseth: "You challenged Europe to step up. You challenged us to step up on Ukraine, on defense spending, on European security. I say to you that we have, we are and we will further." pic.twitter.com/WbHF2Exb82

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