Trump's first 100 days

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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I don't care if he commited crimes. When you are a guest in the country we can ask you to leave for anything incindiary. Boot out non citizens that came here to politicize for a terrorist group.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

I don't care if he commited crimes. When you are a guest in the country we can ask you to leave for anything incindiary. Boot out non citizens that came here to politicize for a terrorist group.


Brother there are people on here who would still support the guy even if they lost every $$ they have.
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BearFan33 said:

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Interesting. I'm perfectly fine with this as long as he is eventually charged with crimes. I guess they can cancel the green card and arrest a person immediately for deportation.

Like it or not Trump adm is doing what they said they were going to do. Are there more canceled visas and green cards coming?

IMO A few more arrests and deportations like this and things will cool down on campuses for sure.
What crimes?

Right. I'm not sure. The article said the school charged him with violations of unauthorized protests and the such. I'm waiting to see if the DOJ or local law enforcement charges him with anything.

I suppose ultimately, the govt. can cancel green cards from anyone it chooses. This guy sounds like a turd. But I worry about govt abuse of this process. We have all seen what the left is capable of. I could see a scenario where a new democratic administration comes in a voids all the green cards associated with Elon Musk. Not because they were breaking any laws, but just because they don't like him.

I saw something on tv today with more info. Apparently, he is an agitator and leader of an organization connected to Hamas. That probably is more than enough to charge him. I cannot remember what other crimes were discussed but I think there was something else.
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cowboycwr said:

historian said:

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That's crazy. The U.S.-Canadian border has been firmly established since the 1840s and the most stable in the world.


True… sort of.

Except for that time a survey of the border in the late 90s or early 2000s found it was wrong in Vermont. In the middle of a town.

Perhaps he is also thinking back to the original wording of the Louisiana purchase that said the border would go to the farthest northern tributary of the Missouri River but it wasn't discovered until after the border was set that a tributary went north beyond that. Although I believe this was specifically addressed in a later treaty.

The Louisiana Purchase was in 1803 and is not really relevant. Far more important are the treaties we negotiated with Britain in the 1842 Webster-Ashburton Treaty. In 1846, another treaty relating to Oregon further settled the border. It's been pretty much set since then with no real disputes. In fact, for most of the past 180 years the US-Canadian border was by far the longest peaceful border in the world. (It's probably the longest border of any kind since it's over 4,000 miles when including Alaska).

There are occasional glitches that should be easily resolved. The current state of relations will make that more difficult.
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historian said:

cowboycwr said:

historian said:

Assassin said:



That's crazy. The U.S.-Canadian border has been firmly established since the 1840s and the most stable in the world.


True… sort of.

Except for that time a survey of the border in the late 90s or early 2000s found it was wrong in Vermont. In the middle of a town.

Perhaps he is also thinking back to the original wording of the Louisiana purchase that said the border would go to the farthest northern tributary of the Missouri River but it wasn't discovered until after the border was set that a tributary went north beyond that. Although I believe this was specifically addressed in a later treaty.

The Louisiana Purchase was in 1803 and is not really relevant. Far more important are the treaties we negotiated with Britain in the 1842 Webster-Ashburton Treaty. In 1846, another treaty relating to Oregon further settled the border. It's been pretty much set since then with no real disputes. In fact, for most of the past 180 years the US-Canadian border was by far the longest peaceful border in the world. (It's probably the longest border of any kind since it's over 4,000 miles when including Alaska).

There are occasional glitches that should be easily resolved. The current state of relations will make that more difficult.
It can all be fixed by ceding the US Alberta and Saskatchewan. Canada doesn't care about them anyway, too many conservatives
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Osodecentx said:

cowboycwr said:

Osodecentx said:

BearFan33 said:

boognish_bear said:


Interesting. I'm perfectly fine with this as long as he is eventually charged with crimes. I guess they can cancel the green card and arrest a person immediately for deportation.

Like it or not Trump adm is doing what they said they were going to do. Are there more canceled visas and green cards coming?

IMO A few more arrests and deportations like this and things will cool down on campuses for sure.
What crimes?



Like others have said the charges could be:

Civil rights violations
Terroristic threats
And for some of the campus protests there could be things like destruction of property, vandalism, harassment, charges for "taking over buildings" (could be called several things) and in some cases even kidnapping (a stretch) since they blocked people inside buildings.


Fed crimes vs state crimes make a difference

You have advocated for FBI agents to be sent to prison
What crimes, specifically did students commit in order to be prosecuted?

It would be helpful if NYC police would arrest trespassers & vandals


I was just listing crimes that I have seen various opinion pieces say they could be charged with. There are others that could be applied depending on the specific protest being mentioned.

Also, some of these opinion pieces listed several court rulings from the past that show the visa can be revoked for a whole host of reasons and doesn't have to be only done due to crimes being committed. Among them were listed threats, belonging to certain groups and other things that could certainly apply here.

Loss of a visa doesn't have to be for only federal crimes. It can be for state crimes as well.

I never said anything about the FBI so I don't know what that means in your post.

Your question about specific crimes seems redundant as that is what I answered.
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KaiBear
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boognish_bear said:




And here we go.

Hope Trump raises the tariff to 100%.
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boognish_bear said:




Panic selling tomorrow to be sure.

Market could easily lose 1000 points by noon.
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KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




And here we go.

Hope Trump raises the tariff to 100%.


LOL, Threaten the state with many of the world's top financiers, yeah sure.
They'll just build new power infrastructure and finance it in 15 minutes.

Ford is smart enough to know that, so Canadians probably need to look at Premiere Fords finances, he's got ties to the companies that will win the contracts to build or profit off things going south.

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There was a strong July to December drop in the S&P during Trump's first term when tariffs on China happened. This was followed by a nice run up until COVID.
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cowboycwr said:

historian said:

Assassin said:



That's crazy. The U.S.-Canadian border has been firmly established since the 1840s and the most stable in the world.


True… sort of.

Except for that time a survey of the border in the late 90s or early 2000s found it was wrong in Vermont. In the middle of a town.

Perhaps he is also thinking back to the original wording of the Louisiana purchase that said the border would go to the farthest northern tributary of the Missouri River but it wasn't discovered until after the border was set that a tributary went north beyond that. Although I believe this was specifically addressed in a later treaty.
isn't it funny how free trade inexorably erases borders?

Sure, Canada is an entity north of the border, but the heart of its economy is south of it......
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

boognish_bear said:




I'd rather deal with this now than continue to ignore the ongoing problem for another 4 years
GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)
= where C is consumption, I is investment, G is government spending, and (X - M) represents net exports (exports minus imports).


the pathway from $2T deficits to a balanced budget goes thru recession. inescapable.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

I don't care if he commited crimes. When you are a guest in the country we can ask you to leave for anything incindiary. Boot out non citizens that came here to politicize for a terrorist group.
an alien in the USA, legal or otherwise, has full Constitutional rights except for the right to be here at all.

That's why we must defend our borders, so that our liberties are not abused by peoples who mean us harm.
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Assassin said:

historian said:

cowboycwr said:

historian said:

Assassin said:



That's crazy. The U.S.-Canadian border has been firmly established since the 1840s and the most stable in the world.


True… sort of.

Except for that time a survey of the border in the late 90s or early 2000s found it was wrong in Vermont. In the middle of a town.

Perhaps he is also thinking back to the original wording of the Louisiana purchase that said the border would go to the farthest northern tributary of the Missouri River but it wasn't discovered until after the border was set that a tributary went north beyond that. Although I believe this was specifically addressed in a later treaty.

The Louisiana Purchase was in 1803 and is not really relevant. Far more important are the treaties we negotiated with Britain in the 1842 Webster-Ashburton Treaty. In 1846, another treaty relating to Oregon further settled the border. It's been pretty much set since then with no real disputes. In fact, for most of the past 180 years the US-Canadian border was by far the longest peaceful border in the world. (It's probably the longest border of any kind since it's over 4,000 miles when including Alaska).

There are occasional glitches that should be easily resolved. The current state of relations will make that more difficult.
It can all be fixed by ceding the US Alberta and Saskatchewan. Canada doesn't care about them anyway, too many conservatives
as a matter political reality, will have to be four provinces, 2 liberal and 2 conservative, or it would never pass the Senate, who will not want to upset partisan ballots. So it would have to be Sask & Alberta + Yukon and BC. Manitoba will not want to be left out (saddled with forever Liberal government in Ottawa) so NorthWest territory would have to come along as well. Etc.....

Or we could just fund another independence movement in Quebec and take the rest by default.....
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boognish_bear said:


deporting all 23m illegals would have a macroeconomic impact not dissimilar from deporting all 23m Floridians.



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Brilliant take.

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To arbitrarily cut of all electricity to our states would obviously violate various contracts.

Would be an act of war.

In case of such draconian actions I would not fault Trump if he decides to commit paratroopers and take over those facilities in Ontario.

I half expect this to happen.
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We are not going to war with Canada.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

There was a strong July to December drop in the S&P during Trump's first term when tariffs on China happened. This was followed by a nice run up until COVID.


Obviously too early to really start making judgments… But it's a rough start

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Buy when there is blood in the streets
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nein51 said:

Buy when there is blood in the streets


I don't know enough about the stock market to mess with it. I just use mutual index funds and try not to look at it when things are going down and just ride out the storm.
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nein51 said:

We are not going to war with Canada.


Probably not.

Unless New York, Minnesota, and Michigan don't have electricity.
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boognish_bear said:

nein51 said:

Buy when there is blood in the streets


I don't know enough about the stock market to mess with it. I just use mutual index funds and try not to look at it when things are going down and just ride out the storm.

If you're buying when the market is down you're getting better value for money. That sucks if you're 62 right now. If you're 42 not so much.

You can buy more with the same money and when it rebounds (and it always does) you'll be in a great position. Transition from higher risk assets as you get older to protect from things like market volatility.
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KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




To arbitrarily cut of all electricity to our states would obviously violate various contracts.

Would be an act of war.

In case of such draconian actions I would not fault Trump if he decides to commit paratroopers and take over those facilities in Ontario.

I half expect this to happen.
You are okay with going to war with Canada? That will make Trump no better than Putin. Trump's quest for new territory (Greenland, Canada, etc.) is quite troubling.
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boognish_bear said:


which licensed electricians are you missing Larry? Or are you wanting the illegals wiring your houses for cheap?!
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4th and Inches said:

boognish_bear said:


which licensed electricians are you missing Larry? Or are you wanting the illegals wiring your houses for cheap?!


"Who is going to pick the cotton now?"

Dems love their cheap labor
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