historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

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That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

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Assassin said:

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UH-OH 🔥

Anna Paulina-Luna enters into the record the $32M dollars Adam Schiff misappropriated during the Russia Collusion hoax

Adam Schiff must face justice ⚖️ pic.twitter.com/6TecyowlYG

— @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) March 11, 2025

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historian said:

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European farmers have much the same

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

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That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

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Only if the US prices are competitive. The Walmart situation is saying that negotiating with the Chinese is more cost efficient than working with US companies to replace the Chinese now higher priced items. That is a problem. Either the US products are still not competitively priced even with a tariff or there is no US product to substitute.

The only thing this exercise shows me is where the US needs improve. I HOPE there is some type of systematic review and documentation going on and some type of plan to address it. This would be an interesting exercise. Is GAO allowed to do such identification or since they are a Govt Agency they should stay out of it?

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Cheap manufacturing is never coming back to the U.S. because of meaningful regulations (like OSHA). Some items can be made here for a reasonable cost.

However, I'll give you an example from my tire days. We had a factory in OKC. It cost more to produce a tire there than to produce it in Brazil, put it on a boat, pay import taxes, put it on a rail to a DC then a truck from the DC to customer. The plant in OKC was completely tax abated as well. That's the kind of costs we are talking about.

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nein51 said:

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He's a terrible diplomat and statesman.

He's also still an obvious outsider to how the U.S. government has operated for a very long time.

He's a troll of the highest order.

He's not wrong about Mexico and Canada needing us way more than we need them.

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FIFY

The first statement remains to be seen. It's more accurate to say "He's an atypical diplomat & statesman."

He's a successful businessman so he's using those techniques. It makes sense because he know the well and how to succeed with them, as a real estate tycoon & as a president.

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Which would be fine if except it's not how government works as noted by the post 3 above your last one re:sending people back from gitmo.

That post shows:
1) out government and structure and probably does work as designed which means the "Trump is a dictator that's going to take over" crowd can STFU and

2) the guy doesn't understand that he can't just do whatever he wants

I like this moron way more than I like the last moron, At least he knows what a woman is, but we would all be better off if he would stop trying to run this like it's his personal Fortune 500. Slow down, figure out what things can be reasonably accomplished that fit his agenda then go full steam ahead.

The approach right now has been "damn the torpedos!" which is playing pretty well with the public (that reads at an 8th grade level…and also wanted Barabus) but isn't really accomplishing much of anything that isn't going to be overturned.

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

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That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

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Only if the US prices are competitive. The Walmart situation is saying that negotiating with the Chinese is more cost efficient than working with US companies to replace the Chinese now higher priced items. That is a problem. Either the US products are still not competitively priced even with a tariff or there is no US product to substitute.

The only thing this exercise shows me is where the US needs improve. I HOPE there is some type of systematic review and documentation going on and some type of plan to address it. This would be an interesting exercise. Is GAO allowed to do such identification or since they are a Govt Agency they should stay out of it?

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Cheap manufacturing is never coming back to the U.S. because of meaningful regulations (like OSHA). Some items can be made here for a reasonable cost.

However, I'll give you an example from my tire days. We had a factory in OKC. It cost more to produce a tire there than to produce it in Brazil, put it on a boat, pay import taxes, put it on a rail to a DC then a truck from the DC to customer. The plant in OKC was completely tax abated as well. That's the kind of costs we are talking about.

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Just to add to your story and the broader picture, the US doesn't grow rubber trees at any significant level due to the climate here. Meanwhile, Brazil has one of the largest sources of natural rubber (sap). That is what's called a comparative advantage. Something some of these folks don't seem to understand when you're talking global trade. You secure good relationships with countries like Brazil so you have a reliable partner and supply.

Probably not telling you something you didn't know or agree with, but thought was relevant to your story.

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nein51 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

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That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

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Only if the US prices are competitive. The Walmart situation is saying that negotiating with the Chinese is more cost efficient than working with US companies to replace the Chinese now higher priced items. That is a problem. Either the US products are still not competitively priced even with a tariff or there is no US product to substitute.

The only thing this exercise shows me is where the US needs improve. I HOPE there is some type of systematic review and documentation going on and some type of plan to address it. This would be an interesting exercise. Is GAO allowed to do such identification or since they are a Govt Agency they should stay out of it?

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Cheap manufacturing is never coming back to the U.S. because of meaningful regulations (like OSHA). Some items can be made here for a reasonable cost.

However, I'll give you an example from my tire days. We had a factory in OKC. It cost more to produce a tire there than to produce it in Brazil, put it on a boat, pay import taxes, put it on a rail to a DC then a truck from the DC to customer. The plant in OKC was completely tax abated as well. That's the kind of costs we are talking about.

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Just to add to your story and the broader picture, the US doesn't grow rubber trees at any significant level due to the climate here. Meanwhile, Brazil has one of the largest sources of natural rubber (sap). That is what's called a comparative advantage. Something some of these folks don't seem to understand when you're talking global trade. You secure good relationships with countries like Brazil so you have a reliable partner and supply.

Probably not telling you something you didn't know or agree with, but thought was relevant to your story.

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We owned a rubber tree plantation in Liberia for this reason

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I am not a GD progressive sympathizer you ****ing dolt.

I'm a person that wants these changes in a meaningful way that actually sticks. Our government is not set up for the president to just do whatever he likes and I would caution you that just because you like what he's doing you better like the way he's doing it because when the power flips back to the Democrats (and it will at some point) they are going to do the same things only 10X worse.

Want to deport illegals, hell yes, every last one of them
Want to ship dangerous people to Gitmo, let's do it
Want to start a trade war with our closest allies, maybe not the smartest tactic but if it benefits Americans I'm in

But you can't do those things by the pen because it leaves open things like:
Want to abolish borders entirely, let's do it
Want to force vaccines to go to the grocery store, let's do it
Want to eliminate church tax exempt stays, let's do it

And on and on and on

Trump reminds me of a great Marketing guy I worked with once. The guy was fun and funny and had these really great huge ideas and people LOVED the ideas and were drawn to his personality. Every last idea failed miserably because the ideas never included any practical measure of implementation.

"A calendar month makes no sense, we need to switch to 13 four week periods" - sounds fine…literally no method of integrating 100 years of reporting history. Over and over and over.

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Except 13 four week periods is incredibly common and called a marketing calendar in a lot of organizations.

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trey3216 said:

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nein51 said:

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Except 13 four week periods is incredibly common and called a marketing calendar in a lot of organizations.

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Yep. 26 pay periods in a year is quite common as well.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Assassin said:

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nein51 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

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That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

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Only if the US prices are competitive. The Walmart situation is saying that negotiating with the Chinese is more cost efficient than working with US companies to replace the Chinese now higher priced items. That is a problem. Either the US products are still not competitively priced even with a tariff or there is no US product to substitute.

The only thing this exercise shows me is where the US needs improve. I HOPE there is some type of systematic review and documentation going on and some type of plan to address it. This would be an interesting exercise. Is GAO allowed to do such identification or since they are a Govt Agency they should stay out of it?

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Cheap manufacturing is never coming back to the U.S. because of meaningful regulations (like OSHA). Some items can be made here for a reasonable cost.

However, I'll give you an example from my tire days. We had a factory in OKC. It cost more to produce a tire there than to produce it in Brazil, put it on a boat, pay import taxes, put it on a rail to a DC then a truck from the DC to customer. The plant in OKC was completely tax abated as well. That's the kind of costs we are talking about.

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Just to add to your story and the broader picture, the US doesn't grow rubber trees at any significant level due to the climate here. Meanwhile, Brazil has one of the largest sources of natural rubber (sap). That is what's called a comparative advantage. Something some of these folks don't seem to understand when you're talking global trade. You secure good relationships with countries like Brazil so you have a reliable partner and supply.

Probably not telling you something you didn't know or agree with, but thought was relevant to your story.

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We owned a rubber tree plantation in Liberia for this reason

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Spent a little time in Monrovia. The town was so nasty that I stayed on the ship most of the time while we "reflagged" our ships at the embassy.

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Why?

Its a country founded on the exact copy of the American system of government.

I guess it just does not have the right "magic dirt" for sustained Democracy and Development.

[The text of Liberia's constitution is similar to the text of the U.S. Constitution]

[the flag of Liberia bears a strong resemblance to the flag of the United States, featuring similar red and white stripes and a blue square in the upper left corner, with a single white star representing Liberia's status as the first independent republic in Africa.]

[Liberia was founded by....Americans in the 1800s, who modeled many state institutions on American ones]

Just impossible to figure out what is different about the place....

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Assassin said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Assassin said:

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nein51 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

---

Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

---

That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

---

Only if the US prices are competitive. The Walmart situation is saying that negotiating with the Chinese is more cost efficient than working with US companies to replace the Chinese now higher priced items. That is a problem. Either the US products are still not competitively priced even with a tariff or there is no US product to substitute.

The only thing this exercise shows me is where the US needs improve. I HOPE there is some type of systematic review and documentation going on and some type of plan to address it. This would be an interesting exercise. Is GAO allowed to do such identification or since they are a Govt Agency they should stay out of it?

---

Cheap manufacturing is never coming back to the U.S. because of meaningful regulations (like OSHA). Some items can be made here for a reasonable cost.

However, I'll give you an example from my tire days. We had a factory in OKC. It cost more to produce a tire there than to produce it in Brazil, put it on a boat, pay import taxes, put it on a rail to a DC then a truck from the DC to customer. The plant in OKC was completely tax abated as well. That's the kind of costs we are talking about.

---

Just to add to your story and the broader picture, the US doesn't grow rubber trees at any significant level due to the climate here. Meanwhile, Brazil has one of the largest sources of natural rubber (sap). That is what's called a comparative advantage. Something some of these folks don't seem to understand when you're talking global trade. You secure good relationships with countries like Brazil so you have a reliable partner and supply.

Probably not telling you something you didn't know or agree with, but thought was relevant to your story.

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We owned a rubber tree plantation in Liberia for this reason

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Spent a little time in Monrovia. The town was so nasty that I stayed on the ship most of the time while we "reflagged" our ships at the embassy.

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Why?

Its a country founded on the exact copy of the American system of government.

I guess it just does not have the right "magic dirt" for sustained Democracy and Development.

[The text of Liberia's constitution is similar to the text of the U.S. Constitution]

[the flag of Liberia bears a strong resemblance to the flag of the United States, featuring similar red and white stripes and a blue square in the upper left corner, with a single white star representing Liberia's status as the first independent republic in Africa.]

[Liberia was founded by....Americans in the 1800s, who modeled many state institutions on American ones]

Just impossible to figure out what is different about the place....

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The "nicer" parts of Monrovia were not close to the port. They were more like being in the port of Los Angeles (containers, lots of containers, followed by shanty towns.) Nothing in walking distance.

Here is a photo off the internet. I couldn't find the ones I took

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trey3216 said:

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Assassin said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Assassin said:

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nein51 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

---

That's the goal of protectionist tariffs. However, long term the trend is for prices across the board to go up. Competitor will charge more because they can. Also, there are many other dynamics in the economy at work.

---

Only if the US prices are competitive. The Walmart situation is saying that negotiating with the Chinese is more cost efficient than working with US companies to replace the Chinese now higher priced items. That is a problem. Either the US products are still not competitively priced even with a tariff or there is no US product to substitute.

The only thing this exercise shows me is where the US needs improve. I HOPE there is some type of systematic review and documentation going on and some type of plan to address it. This would be an interesting exercise. Is GAO allowed to do such identification or since they are a Govt Agency they should stay out of it?

---

Cheap manufacturing is never coming back to the U.S. because of meaningful regulations (like OSHA). Some items can be made here for a reasonable cost.

However, I'll give you an example from my tire days. We had a factory in OKC. It cost more to produce a tire there than to produce it in Brazil, put it on a boat, pay import taxes, put it on a rail to a DC then a truck from the DC to customer. The plant in OKC was completely tax abated as well. That's the kind of costs we are talking about.

---

Just to add to your story and the broader picture, the US doesn't grow rubber trees at any significant level due to the climate here. Meanwhile, Brazil has one of the largest sources of natural rubber (sap). That is what's called a comparative advantage. Something some of these folks don't seem to understand when you're talking global trade. You secure good relationships with countries like Brazil so you have a reliable partner and supply.

Probably not telling you something you didn't know or agree with, but thought was relevant to your story.

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We owned a rubber tree plantation in Liberia for this reason

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Spent a little time in Monrovia. The town was so nasty that I stayed on the ship most of the time while we "reflagged" our ships at the embassy.

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Why?

Its a country founded on the exact copy of the American system of government.

I guess it just does not have the right "magic dirt" for sustained Democracy and Development.

[The text of Liberia's constitution is similar to the text of the U.S. Constitution]

[the flag of Liberia bears a strong resemblance to the flag of the United States, featuring similar red and white stripes and a blue square in the upper left corner, with a single white star representing Liberia's status as the first independent republic in Africa.]

[Liberia was founded by....Americans in the 1800s, who modeled many state institutions on American ones]

Just impossible to figure out what is different about the place....

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The "nicer" parts of Monrovia were not close to the port. They were more like being in the port of Los Angeles (containers, lots of containers, followed by shanty towns.) Nothing in walking distance.

Here is a photo off the internet. I couldn't find the ones I took

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Did you have their deficit in your skyrocket?

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.airdatanews.com/instead-of-f-35-portugal-turns-to-europe-in-search-of-new-fighter/

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$5.5 trillion has been erased from the stock market in the last 30 days: pic.twitter.com/OxzT4BMBXL

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) March 13, 2025

It's official:

The S&P 500 just CLOSED in correction territory and the Nasdaq 100 is 7% away from its first bear market since 2022.

Over the last 16 trading days, the S&P 500 has erased an average of -$340 billion PER trading day.

Here's what you need to know.

(a thread) pic.twitter.com/1aXJb3SOV6

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) March 13, 2025

BREAKING:

China unveiled its new huge ”invasion barges” during an amphibious landing exercise near Zhanjiang.

The barges will make it possible for China to move large amounts of military equipment to a shore without docking facilities.

Ships would dock with barges, unload… pic.twitter.com/2eAXTW4Zrp

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 13, 2025

SCOOP: BMW North America will be “eating” the cost of tariffs

The automaker announced it will be *price-protecting* dealer pipeline vehicles.

This is huge.

In other words, BMW will absorb the costs incurred from the new 25% tariff on imports from Mexico & Canada.

Affected…

— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) March 13, 2025

News: House Dems so livid at Schumer that multiple members have directly urged AOC to primary him, according to a member with direct knowledge

One member said they would write a check tonight at the caucus’s Leesburg retreat https://t.co/TlCLD2xET3

— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) March 14, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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SCOOP: BMW North America will be “eating” the cost of tariffs

The automaker announced it will be *price-protecting* dealer pipeline vehicles.

This is huge.

In other words, BMW will absorb the costs incurred from the new 25% tariff on imports from Mexico & Canada.

Affected…

— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) March 13, 2025

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boognish_bear said:

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They are lost at sea

News: House Dems so livid at Schumer that multiple members have directly urged AOC to primary him, according to a member with direct knowledge

One member said they would write a check tonight at the caucus’s Leesburg retreat https://t.co/TlCLD2xET3

— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) March 14, 2025

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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SCOOP: BMW North America will be “eating” the cost of tariffs

The automaker announced it will be *price-protecting* dealer pipeline vehicles.

This is huge.

In other words, BMW will absorb the costs incurred from the new 25% tariff on imports from Mexico & Canada.

Affected…

— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) March 13, 2025

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You mean they're not building a factory here in response to the tariffs? Shocking revelation…

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Tornado Rips Through Solar Farm In Florida https://t.co/lF8WhqHiLe
Toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon…

— Bill Heller (@noturbine) February 4, 2025

ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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same is true for taxes.

the point of tariffs is to increase the cost of imported goods, to make them less competitive against domestically produced goods. And looming tariffs can have significant impact on investment decisions (as we have seen numerous times to our advantage in the last few weeks). Manufacturers can on longer count on reflexive US aversion to tariffs. The only way to hedge against that risk is to invest in MANUFACTURING in the USA (to ensure access to the US market).

Nothing new here. We did that in the 70s with Japanese automakers, and now most Japanese brand vehicles sold here are made here. Trump is merely trying to force that same dynamic on other sectors now.

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70% of Japanese vehicles sold in America are imported.

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Ontario Premier Doug Ford announces he’s adding a 25% surcharge on the electricity exported from Ontario to Minnesota, Michigan and New York.

He added “if the United States escalates, I won’t hesitate to shut the electricity off completely”

🇺🇸🇨🇦 pic.twitter.com/R9E2mIZqy3

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 11, 2025

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To arbitrarily cut of all electricity to our states would obviously violate various contracts.

Would be an act of war.

In case of such draconian actions I would not fault Trump if he decides to commit paratroopers and take over those facilities in Ontario.

I half expect this to happen.

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You are okay with going to war with Canada? That will make Trump no better than Putin. Trump's quest for new territory (Greenland, Canada, etc.) is quite troubling.

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If Ontario willfully fails to provide electricity to the populations of three of our states despite viable contracts………that is in reality an act of war.

Hell yes I am ok with defending our citizens.

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Warren Buffett considers tariffs an act of war. I agree with him.

If there are valid contracts in place at a set price for x amount of megawatts for months/ years, it seems to me that Donald Trump and the United States have violated the contract(s) by just Willy Nilly jacking up tariffs.

Trump's treatment of Mexico and Canada is atrocious. Neither are our enemy. Trump is certainly not treating them like allies. Would sure hate to see both countries cozy up to China/ Russia/ N. Korea because of Trump's arrogance. The world is a dangerous place. Trump should try just a little bit of diplomacy here. We need more allies, - not fewer.

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You dont get what Trump is doing. He is bringing everything back to the USA. He wants us to be as self sufficient as possible, moving as far away from the globalist experiment of George Soros as quickly as possible. Look back at every single thing that he has done.

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The scariest part about all of this is that Trump does not realize who actually pays the tariffs. Or he doesn't want to acknowledge it.

The tariffs are paid by the importer of record, which is mostly American companies and Americans. This is why higher inflation will be a highly probable outcome.

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Do you consider the astronomical tarriffs on our ag products that Canada has as an act of war

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You should be more concerned about the 60 percent + of produce we import from Mexico. Retailers have already told Trump prices are going up. Trump's response? He does not care. Get ready for Covid era pricing at the grocery store. Let them eat cake (very expensive cake). Unforced error by Trump.

Trump can't blame this fiasco on anybody but himself. It is funny to watch Trump's cheerleaders proclaim that no recession is coming. Kind of gives me flashbacks of Janet Yellin's "Inflation is transitory" stance. I am very disappointed in Larry Kudlow. He should know better.

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he doesn't care because he doesn't need to.

When you are running a trade deficit, you are in the drivers seat in a trade war. The other guy has his entire market at risk. Canada gets hurt worse in a trade war because they are running a trade surplus with us. That's a law of gravity working against Canada, and they will cave first (because they have no choice but to do so).

it's no accident Trump is calling Canada the 51st state. The Canadian & Mexican economies are so tied to the US economy that they are, in macroeconomic terms, the 51st and 52nd state. They cannot just pivot & sell elsewhere in enough time to avoid economic calamity. Here's the key facts:
Trade is 67% of Canadian GDP (3/4ths of it with USA) = trade with USA is HALF of the Canadian economy.
Trade is 74% of Mexican GDP (2/3rd of it with USA) = trade with USA is HALF of the Mexican economy
Trade is 15% of United States GDP (don't need to go any further than that.)

Canada and Mexico are in a gunfight armed with a plastic knife.
The outcome is foreordained.

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Intentionally depressing the global economy via tariffs impacts everyone. There are things he has placed tariffs on that we don't grow anywhere in the U.S. or manufacture anywhere, but are part of supply chains of U.S. companies production of higher value outputs. This is insanity and unnecessary.

You know damn well we aren't even remotely prepared to take on the production of things like lower grade steel and mining because we decided regulatory, labor, and environmental concerns are the priority.

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Leavitt: Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries and a tax cut for the American people

Reporter: Have you ever paid a tariff? I have. They don’t get charged on foreign countries

Leavitt: I think it’s insulting that you are trying test my knowledge on economics pic.twitter.com/usJyrfEZFP

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

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She is wrong. In the final analysis, the consumer pays all tariffs. The companies who buy the products and then sell them here in America pass on the increased costs through higher prices. It's inevitable.

It's all political theater.

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Except you as the consumer can decide to buy a different countries product and NOT pay the new price. You could say now buy American products if you want.

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What if the American product relies upon some imported goods to produce and is now more expensive than before?

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🚨🇺🇸BIDEN FUNNELED $20 BILLION TO 8 NONPROFITS AFTER KAMALA LOST THE ELECTION—NOW UNDER DOJ INVESTIGATION

The DOJ is investigating the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund, a $27 billion Biden-era program that sent $20 billion to just 8 nonprofit groups—many tied to Obama and Biden… https://t.co/5o6OdPcoDf pic.twitter.com/iOayYHy9bA

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) March 13, 2025