Aberzombie1892 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Aberzombie1892 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Aberzombie1892 said:
This new QB is in an entirely different recruiting class, so I'm not sure it's a situation where someone could say that Oregon recruited over him:
If you're anticipating getting a position on a team, and that team recruits a higher ranked player at your position in a subsequent recruiting class, that is the literal definition of recruiting over a player.
Not to me. That's called recruiting. IMO, you're supposed to try to get the best payers you can in each class. Who you already have is irrelevant.
You guys are making my point for me.
He got recruited over. If Oregon had signed Dante Moore last December (#2 overall QB prospect) there's very little chance this newest kid commits. It's pretty clear UO doesn't view Novosad as the future at the position. He's a "nice to have," not a guy you build the offense around, like he would have been here.
I hope that NIL check helps him sleep at night, though.
Are you suggesting had we gotten Novosad, we'd have not gone after a higher rated prospect for the 2024 class?
I'm suggesting that he would pretty firmly be entrenched as "the future" at QB, and that probably wouldn't make it as appealing for other prep QBs to sign here. Obviously not the case at Oregon.
Of course you want competition in the quarterback room, but it's pretty clear Oregon doesn't view him as "the guy."
Thats probably true. It ignores his goal of being developed. It also assumes new guy beats him out after a one year head start.
Regardless, why should he have been entrenched here? We have got to start recruiting QB to win championships. You can not win the Big 12 with Missouri Valley QB talent.
This. Hennessy's argument is based on (1) the assumption that Oregon's new QB would automatically win the starting job based on his higher rating (which is unreasonable; see Drones and Bohannon at Baylor or even Mayfield at OU), (2) the new QB is at a baseline objectively better than Novosad and would out achieve any development by Novosad (which is similarly unreasonable); and (3) that Baylor would not continue to pursue subjectively better QBs regardless as to who it has roster.
I'm not making any assumptions about how anyone's career is going to pan out. All I'm reacting to is the fact that Oregon is clearly trying to recruit better players than Novosad at his position, which is what being recruited over is.
Why this is so difficult for you guys to grasp is honestly pretty strange to me.
I guess the consensus from those pushing back would be (1) isn't that what a coach is supposed to do (pursue the best players it can get)?, (2) several programs routinely recruit multiple blue chip QBs over a two recruiting class period, so what's the takeaway here?, and (3) over recruiting at QB is when a team signs a QB and then later signs a substantially higher rated QB in the same class and the higher rated QB wasn't committed when the lower rated QB signed. (3) is over recruiting because the first QB didn't have an opportunity to reevaluate their decision to sign after the higher rated QB was signed/committed.
Disagree with you on this to a point. In theory, yes Coaches are always looking to bring top talent.
In this case, it matters what was told the kid to flip. If a promise was made not to recruit his position next year and they do, that is a problem.
Personally, I do not think Novosad starts and at some point tranfers back to some program in Texas. There will be some CA, HI, or West Coast kid from a school with a pipeline to Oregon that will get the nod. At that level, pipeline HS matter more than one-offs from small schools half a nation away. Watched it happen in Florida, pipeline schools usually equal big money boosters, they want to see the kids they deliver play.