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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:45p, 7/14/24
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Clarity there.

The presumptive nominee for the GOP candidate for President, as well as the man who has led the polls all year, avoids death by the happy accident of turning his head.

Even President Biden, Senator Schumer and other leading Democrats express thanks that Trump survived and further observe that political violence has no moral place in the United States.

Meanwhile, J.R. channels his 'inner host of The View' and goes off on a rant attacking Trump.

If there was any doubt that J.R. has moral rot in his heart, that last post from him made his malicious character undeniable.


God saved him by him turning to the right

We all witnessed a miracle. How does a 78 year old man survive a barrage aid bullets from the rifle of an expert marksman. Only our savior Jesus Christ

He works in mysterious ways

Anyone notice what trump said leading up to and as the bullet hit him in the head?
Where are you guys seeing expert marksman? Nothing I see on line, says he was anything but.

In addition, would an expert or skilled shooter (especially a hunter) use an AR?


Huh? A guy under pressure from 500 feet away aiming at a moving target if but for Trump turning his head at just the right moment by Divine intervention his head would have exploded like a Gallagher watermelon

You're average gun owner could pull that off in your mind apparently.

Some y'all have eyes but cannot see.
Doesn't make him an expert marksman. Maybe a marksman or someone who's practiced shooting, but not an expert. It's fortunate he wasn't one because Trump would likely be deceased.
Thank you. If that kid had any formal training, we would be talking a totally different situation. He did not have any formal military or LEO training.


Trump would be dead had he not turned his head mere microseconds before the shot was squeezed off.

But yeah, he was just a recreational shooter I'm sure.
7 or more shots, only one of which found Trump. The rest found bystanders or the seats.

I still maintain Trump was very lucky and I believe the shooter practiced his shots, but there is nothing to indicate this 20-year-old with no military training or shooting background was an expert.

Skilled, maybe. Thank God not as good as he imagined himself to be.


I dunno About any military training. Wouldn't go that far. His first shot is the one that hit trump In the ear. After that chaos ensues

I hope y'all are wrong or any ginned up lefty with a gun they hate is available to their enemies could easily assassinate trump next time from 3 football fields away.

If youve ever tried it under no duress or adrenaline, you probably know.

Regardless the left laid bare yet again for the whole world to see.

Total scum for enabling this.

Prayed thanks to God all night last night he let us witness this miracle and saved Trump from the left's assassination attempt and for the family they helped destroy of the man shot in the head protecting his young family
His first shot was the easiest as he had time to focus his aim. Follow up shots are much more difficult due to recoil recovery, target movement, etc. Once he fired initially it almost turned into a spray. Clearly not an expert by any stretch.

And not to nitpick, but it's just as possible he turned into the shot and got grazed. Ballistics investigation will determine any "miracle turn". Could have just as much been a "miracle" wind gust or shooter twitch.


I doubt any of us would have the stones to stand there and trust the shooter would miss vital organs...
Not sure what you're implying, and of course I wouldn't stand still while getting shot at, but I doubt Trump realized what was happening to him for a few seconds vs he was intentionally standing there watching bullets. I give him credit for being smarter than that. Trump's real fortitude was shown at how calm and resolved he was when on the ground, and then insisting on engaging his supporters and the public. An epically iconic moment in our long political history.
That is what I think will resonate out of this, as we are facing off with Putin and Xi. Trump didn't back down under duress, he was pissed and he stood firm. We need that right now with the World situation Biden has allowed to occur.


Those who are not intelligent enough to notice Trumps demeanor after coming within an inch of having his brains blown out on national television won't be able to process such bravery's importance in a Commander In Chief.

They will merely remain committed to the less mentally demanding role of hyper partisanship.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:48p, 7/14/24
I replied to an asinine post
Kamala Harris: Lina Hidalgo on steroids.
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In reply to Jacques Strap • 2:50p, 7/14/24
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Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds
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2:50p, 7/14/24
Here's the next part. The hyper partisan and bitter vindictive AG and FBI director attempting to imprison trump for the rest of his life, are leading the investigation into their sides attempt to assassinate trump.
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2:51p, 7/14/24
Imagine if the tables were turned.

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Mr. Crooks had been working as a dietary aide at Bethel Park Skilled Nursing and Rehabilitation Center. Marcie Grimm, the facility's administrator, said the organization was shocked to learn of his involvement in the shooting, saying that he had "performed his job without concern and his background check was clean."
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In reply to Assassin • 2:52p, 7/14/24
Assassin said:
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds


News circulating the officer had him in sights for 3 minutes and was repeatedly told to stand down by SS ranking leadership
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2:53p, 7/14/24
Wasn't it Obama several years back who wanted to make it law for Americans to not speak bad against political leaders.
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In reply to STxBear81 • 2:57p, 7/14/24
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Wasn't it Obama several years back who wanted to make it law for Americans to not speak bad against political leaders.


Obama as an acolyte of his evil mentor Saul zalinsky and his "reverend" triggered most of what the evil left has attempted to normalize attempting to take advantage of a massive group of people who are not prone to strike back. They hid and hide under the veil of "racism" to push their agenda. That's largely wearing off as a threat now these days though.
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In reply to Jacques Strap • 2:57p, 7/14/24
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.





How in the hell did the SS mess this up so badly. It's incredible that Trump survived. I can't begin to imagine what would have happened in this country had the assassin pulled it off.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:58p, 7/14/24
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Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.





How in the hell did the SS mess this up so badly. It's incredible that Trump survived. I can't begin to imagine what would have happened in this country had the assassin pulled it off.


Praise God God spared us that next carnage…for now

The left won't stop. They will double down.
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In reply to Fre3dombear • 3:08p, 7/14/24
Fre3dombear said:
Assassin said:
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds


News circulating the officer had him in sights for 3 minutes and was repeatedly told to stand down by SS ranking leadership
Has been my concern all along. Really a shame if this is the case. ROEs are straight forward.
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In reply to ATL Bear • 3:10p, 7/14/24
ATL Bear said:
Fre3dombear said:
Assassin said:
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds


News circulating the officer had him in sights for 3 minutes and was repeatedly told to stand down by SS ranking leadership
Has been my concern all along. Really a shame if this is the case. ROEs are straight forward.
488 yds is nearly 5 football fields. Thats not the easiest shot for most of us
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In reply to Jacques Strap • 3:24p, 7/14/24
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Not having a pair of officers on top of that building is inexplicable. Not necessary to have counter snipers on all the rooftops but assigning a pair of officers with radios to patrol all the high ground is just common sense.





Except people in government never get fired. The head of secret service should be fired but was probably a DEI hire so Biden won't remove her.
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FBI special agent Kevin Rojek, who leads Pittsburgh's FBI office, said investigators have not identified any specific motive Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had in firing shots from a high-powered weapon at former president Donald Trump on Saturday night and do not believe he had any accomplices.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 3:30p, 7/14/24
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FBI special agent Kevin Rojek, who leads Pittsburgh's FBI office, said investigators have not identified any specific motive Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had in firing shots from a high-powered weapon at former president Donald Trump on Saturday night and do not believe he had any accomplices.


Translation….they don't want to investigate
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In reply to Osodecentx • 3:36p, 7/14/24
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FBI special agent Kevin Rojek, who leads Pittsburgh's FBI office, said investigators have not identified any specific motive Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had in firing shots from a high-powered weapon at former president Donald Trump on Saturday night and do not believe he had any accomplices.


Great 12 hours of detective work.

No doubt Trump feels safer now.


God bless the FBI.
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Osodecentx said:
FBI special agent Kevin Rojek, who leads Pittsburgh's FBI office, said investigators have not identified any specific motive Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had in firing shots from a high-powered weapon at former president Donald Trump on Saturday night and do not believe he had any accomplices.


Translation….they don't want to investigate


It's early in the investigation. Give it some time
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In reply to Assassin • 3:49p, 7/14/24
Assassin said:
ATL Bear said:
Fre3dombear said:
Assassin said:
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds


News circulating the officer had him in sights for 3 minutes and was repeatedly told to stand down by SS ranking leadership
Has been my concern all along. Really a shame if this is the case. ROEs are straight forward.
488 yds is nearly 5 football fields. Thats not the easiest shot for most of us
The Assassin was at 488 feet, 165ish yards
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In reply to J.R. • 3:51p, 7/14/24
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Fre3dombear said:
Doc Holliday said:
J.R. said:
As much a I deplore Trump, this in NoT ok
Its a product of all the TDS, never trumpers and absolute re tar ded rhetoric about him being Hitler


Never met a person that "hates trump" can logically articulate why

They just weak minded and programmed. They suddenly find morality. Lol.


Tho Never Trump Repubs are the worst at this. They suddenly treat their vote like a sacrament, a holy oath. So rather than be good stewards with their (secular) vote in a two party system they throw it away. BUT if you ask them how they spend their money and the (liberal) companies they effectively support, all the sudden they can rationalize anything.
that is just dumb and not true. Do you not get out?
I do get out. I have several never trump "republicans" and they are exactly as I described. Hypocrites. Trump rubs them wrong and they get all pious, has nothing to do with Trump's policy, they'll never acknowledge how good things got with Trump, domestically and internationally. Never Trump Repubs are just hypocrites.

Love my friends, but they will rationalize anything they do or where they spend their money, but yet, somehow their vote becomes a sacrament.

JR, you wouldn't know. You lean progressive, so please just stop.
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Probably need to get him replaced on the speaker list

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In reply to Assassin • 3:56p, 7/14/24
Assassin said:
ATL Bear said:
Fre3dombear said:
Assassin said:
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds


News circulating the officer had him in sights for 3 minutes and was repeatedly told to stand down by SS ranking leadership
Has been my concern all along. Really a shame if this is the case. ROEs are straight forward.
488 yds is nearly 5 football fields. Thats not the easiest shot for most of us
Still a fluid information situation, but if it was a 488 yard shot from the SS sniper that is a good shot but within their normal assignment purview. My comment was toward the 3 minute delay to decide to engage. That's plenty of time for these actual elite marksman to get a bead on the target and fire.
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In reply to BearWithMe • 3:58p, 7/14/24
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I'm just genuinely heartbroken at the current state of our society. As someone who has no political home, I consistently feel in isolation as I watch these two parties constantly elevate the tension.

What makes me so sad is that I believe that the vast majority of this country is mostly moderate people who lean more left or right, but overall want similar things, just with different routes to get there.

However, the media (specifically the National News channels and Social Media) has made Democrats believe that all Republicans are idiot gun toting Fascists, Christian Nationalists, who want women back in the kitchen. Similarly they have made Republicans believe all Democrats are Marxist baby murders who want to take away all guns, open the borders up, and let society as we know it crumble. Do these people exist? Of course, but they live on the margins.

Our government has failed us. Both parties no longer have those they represent in mind when making policy. Those in power ($$$) want us to hate eachother and fight among ourselves so that we do not hold them accountable.

How can we move forward from this? I do not know - I don't even have a remote idea. Hold your family close during this time, love on your friends and neighbors, and break bread with those who have differences in opinions.
While your statement is true, lets be clear that the Democratic party absolutely does pursue the things that you speak of. So no matter how moderate a dem pretends to be, he openly votes for people who pursue those things while making everyone poorer.
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In reply to Wangchung • 4:01p, 7/14/24
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BearWithMe said:


However, the media (specifically the National News channels and Social Media) has made Democrats believe that all Republicans are idiot gun toting Fascists, Christian Nationalists, who want women back in the kitchen. (Easily debunked assertions) Similarly they have made Republicans believe all Democrats are Marxist baby murders who want to take away all guns, open the borders up, and let society as we know it crumble. (Democrats main voter issue is supporting the killing of the unborn, pushing Marxist race division through DEI and affirmative action, constant calls for gun control and restriction of scary looking "weapons of war", our borders ARE open to the point of Biden's administration cutting down physical barriers at the border that Texas erected, and its democrat DAs that are creating revolving door justice systems in our cities)



How can we move forward from this? I do not know - I don't even have a remote idea. Hold your family close during this time, love on your friends and neighbors, and break bread with those who have differences in opinions.
We can make strides if we actually admit what is real versus mere rhetoric. The two sides of this are NOT the same.
Yep, the two sides are not the same. Liberals have been fanning the flames by and large for a decade or more, and ramped it up tenfold for Trump.
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4:04p, 7/14/24
Where's the Pope? He has tons of opinions on america and the people pushing back against the left and globalists.

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In reply to BearWithMe • 4:05p, 7/14/24
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I'm just genuinely heartbroken at the current state of our society. As someone who has no political home, I consistently feel in isolation as I watch these two parties constantly elevate the tension.

What makes me so sad is that I believe that the vast majority of this country is mostly moderate people who lean more left or right, but overall want similar things, just with different routes to get there.

However, the media (specifically the National News channels and Social Media) has made Democrats believe that all Republicans are idiot gun toting Fascists, Christian Nationalists, who want women back in the kitchen. Similarly they have made Republicans believe all Democrats are Marxist baby murders who want to take away all guns, open the borders up, and let society as we know it crumble. Do these people exist? Of course, but they live on the margins.

Our government has failed us. Both parties no longer have those they represent in mind when making policy. Those in power ($$$) want us to hate eachother and fight among ourselves so that we do not hold them accountable.

How can we move forward from this? I do not know - I don't even have a remote idea. Hold your family close during this time, love on your friends and neighbors, and break bread with those who have differences in opinions.
How is it only "marginal" Dems who are "Marxist baby murderers who want to take away all guns and open the borders up".... when the current administration whom they overwhelmingly voted for ARE social Marxists who DO want unfettered abortion and to take away guns, and even HAS opened the border up?

It's ridiculous to argue moral equivalency between the two parties and two sides of the media. If you can't see which side is much worse when it comes to crumbling our society at this point, then you just don't have any rational sense.
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4:05p, 7/14/24
Biden's 2nd speech on the trump assassination attempt showed he's as hollow a man as anyone with common sense knows and has known for decades.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 4:06p, 7/14/24
FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
ATL Bear said:
Fre3dombear said:
Assassin said:
Jacques Strap said:
Good read if you are interested...

Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump


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The rooftop used by Crooks was a mere 140 yards away from the event with a clear line of sight to the right of Trump. Those familiar with precision shooting know that any shot within 300 yards is considered easy for a moderately trained rifleman. With the right caliber an expert can hit a torso sized target consistently at 1000 yards or more. At 140 yards any amateur should be able to hit a pie plate-sized target with little difficulty, even without a magnified optic.

The Secret Service is supposed to secure all obvious "sniper perches" well before the arrival of a protectee - Meaning, nearby rooftops and buildings are supposed to have a security presence in place along with drone surveillance. In the case of Butler, PA, this was apparently not done. SS snipers were only present on the building right behind the venue stage.

When looking at the circumstances in favor of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the identified alleged suspect in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA, it's hard to see how the guy failed. Almost every Secret Service security protocol seems to have been ignored, allowing Crooks easy access to a perfect shooting position and plenty of time to acquire a bead on Trump's podium.



488yd shot by one USSS sniper which dispatched the assassin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds


News circulating the officer had him in sights for 3 minutes and was repeatedly told to stand down by SS ranking leadership
Has been my concern all along. Really a shame if this is the case. ROEs are straight forward.
488 yds is nearly 5 football fields. Thats not the easiest shot for most of us
The Assassin was at 488 feet, 165ish yards
The quote was about the Secret Service sniper
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 4:07p, 7/14/24
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
BearWithMe said:
I'm just genuinely heartbroken at the current state of our society. As someone who has no political home, I consistently feel in isolation as I watch these two parties constantly elevate the tension.

What makes me so sad is that I believe that the vast majority of this country is mostly moderate people who lean more left or right, but overall want similar things, just with different routes to get there.

However, the media (specifically the National News channels and Social Media) has made Democrats believe that all Republicans are idiot gun toting Fascists, Christian Nationalists, who want women back in the kitchen. Similarly they have made Republicans believe all Democrats are Marxist baby murders who want to take away all guns, open the borders up, and let society as we know it crumble. Do these people exist? Of course, but they live on the margins.

Our government has failed us. Both parties no longer have those they represent in mind when making policy. Those in power ($$$) want us to hate eachother and fight among ourselves so that we do not hold them accountable.

How can we move forward from this? I do not know - I don't even have a remote idea. Hold your family close during this time, love on your friends and neighbors, and break bread with those who have differences in opinions.
While your statement is true, lets be clear that the Democratic party absolutely does pursue the things that you speak of. So no matter how moderate a dem pretends to be, he openly votes for people who pursue those things while making everyone poorer.
Exactly. Beat me to it.
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