The future automation of the workforce

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FLBear, one thing I have seen many times this primary season, is how this candidate or that will do things which are actually beyond the scope of the office they seek.

Democrats assuring us they personally will impeach the President, Republicans running for state offices who will personally prevent Congress from providing money to Illegal Aliens, and both parties run candidates who assure us they will personally act with authority either available only to the legislative body as a whole, or take actions beyond the scope of their entire group, such as the Senatorial candidate who promised to personally change IRS rules.

My point is that politicians don't just lie, they do so commonly and with such expanse that even they don't seem to realize when they are leaving the realm of the credible. This is especially the case with Economics.

Sitting Presidents have long taken credit for anything which goes right in the Economy, and as we saw with Biden even taking credit for things which did not happen at all. Similarly, Presidents love to exaggerate their influence and power in economic matters, and certainly this is true regarding prices.

Generally, Presidents are very much able to make things worse, rarely can they make things better all on their own.

That's what we are seeing here.


Each Congressperson deserves their own evaluation. Some things are better, no doubt.

Trump Administration's tendency to hold rest of Government in contempt is a problem. He is not a king or dictator, he jad to follow the rules
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Whose rules?

A big part of the problem is judges and politicians demanding Trump do as they demand, on no constitutional authority, just arrogance.

Trump can be an ass, but he has a very good point about the Establishment.
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Feels Orwellian/dystopian

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FLBear5630 said:

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Remember the classical definition of inflation: when the money supply grows without a corresponding increase in production. here, we see evidence that money supply is growing without inflation = growth in production starting to match growth in money supply. This should strengthen as more and more of the trade deal monies flow in to build energy, infrastructure, and industrial plant.



Can you please post a link to the production numbers that offset this size money supply?

Not a formula from a textbook but real economic metrics dated today or there about.

they are widely available on the internet - the inflation numbers.
they are widely available in college textbooks - the definition of inflation.

This is a very simple economics 101 concept: inflation occurs when the growth in money supply exceeds the growth in production.

Ergo, when money supply expands and inflation does not, it means production is expanding commensurately.

That is one explanation, there are others that does not mean an increase in production. You are over simplifying.

Did we have higher productivity in some sectors? Yes.

Did prices come down for some goods? Yes.

Did prices for consumers come down? Some.

It is a mixed bag, it is too simplistic to say productivity is down or even that inflation is down? On what? Housing? No. Gas? Yes. Groceries? No.

It is a mixed bag. But, it seems to make you feel better. So, I will go along. Yay...



The US economy under Donald Trump | The Economist



LOL you just explained what I said. There are any number of reasons WHY growth in productivity and growth in money supply might be approximately equal. But if they are, inflation numbers will reflect that. And they do at this time


There are other reasons that happens. You are also taking a very Macro approach, in all fairness most Presidents do, there are areas of concern with this economy.

If not, I agree with you.



of course I'm talking macro. Policy has to start with macro, or it becomes an unrecognizable mess of knee jerk responses. Macro sets the stage. Markets take it from there. If you need a few micro tweaks here & there to deal with imbalances....fine. Import a little beef. Stall a tariff for a few months until domestic supply chains can replace the import. Etc........but you have to have the macro policy to start with. And, finally, we have a logical macro plan to replace globalism that was hollowing out our industrial base (among other pathologies).

"The plan is nothing. HAVING a plan, is everything."
-DDE
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Remember the classical definition of inflation: when the money supply grows without a corresponding increase in production. here, we see evidence that money supply is growing without inflation = growth in production starting to match growth in money supply. This should strengthen as more and more of the trade deal monies flow in to build energy, infrastructure, and industrial plant.



Can you please post a link to the production numbers that offset this size money supply?

Not a formula from a textbook but real economic metrics dated today or there about.

they are widely available on the internet - the inflation numbers.
they are widely available in college textbooks - the definition of inflation.

This is a very simple economics 101 concept: inflation occurs when the growth in money supply exceeds the growth in production.

Ergo, when money supply expands and inflation does not, it means production is expanding commensurately.

That is one explanation, there are others that does not mean an increase in production. You are over simplifying.

Did we have higher productivity in some sectors? Yes.

Did prices come down for some goods? Yes.

Did prices for consumers come down? Some.

It is a mixed bag, it is too simplistic to say productivity is down or even that inflation is down? On what? Housing? No. Gas? Yes. Groceries? No.

It is a mixed bag. But, it seems to make you feel better. So, I will go along. Yay...



The US economy under Donald Trump | The Economist



LOL you just explained what I said. There are any number of reasons WHY growth in productivity and growth in money supply might be approximately equal. But if they are, inflation numbers will reflect that. And they do at this time


There are other reasons that happens. You are also taking a very Macro approach, in all fairness most Presidents do, there are areas of concern with this economy.

If not, I agree with you.



of course I'm talking macro. Policy has to start with macro, or it becomes an unrecognizable mess of knee jerk responses. Macro sets the stage. Markets take it from there. If you need a few micro tweaks here & there to deal with imbalances....fine. Import a little beef. Stall a tariff for a few months until domestic supply chains can replace the import. Etc........but you have to have the macro policy to start with. And, finally, we have a logical macro plan to replace globalism that was hollowing out our industrial base (among other pathologies).

"The plan is nothing. HAVING a plan, is everything."
-DDE

Yes, you have macro view and a plan. But, you don't make future plan adjustments on the macro, you make them on the micro. The details of what is working and what is not. If you are not going to have an honest assessment you can't move off the original macro plan.

You rarely, if ever, will talk about the micro and adjustments that need to be made. I get it, that is the MAGA playbook. If you admit anything is not working it is weakness. Showing weakness is worse than being wrong.

Looks nice in a tweet or sound bite, but doesn't solve anything. This is why the whole thing is a reality show. There are no adjustments because there can't be, it is weakness. This is a Donald trait back to the 70's. Great idea, starts strong, no follow up. Why? Because he follows his gut and he can't admit mistakes as it shows weakness, so we stay on the same path.

The micro matters, just like how it is executed matters. Especially after initial contact. Tariffs are perfect test case, will Trump let Bessent make the moves that he needs to counter? OR, are we going to get 15% across the board, no make it 20% since Trump is pissed...?????
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Guess it is not a surprise that they would prioritize user happiness/satisfaction over delivering info that might challenge the user's beliefs.

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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Remember the classical definition of inflation: when the money supply grows without a corresponding increase in production. here, we see evidence that money supply is growing without inflation = growth in production starting to match growth in money supply. This should strengthen as more and more of the trade deal monies flow in to build energy, infrastructure, and industrial plant.



Can you please post a link to the production numbers that offset this size money supply?

Not a formula from a textbook but real economic metrics dated today or there about.

they are widely available on the internet - the inflation numbers.
they are widely available in college textbooks - the definition of inflation.

This is a very simple economics 101 concept: inflation occurs when the growth in money supply exceeds the growth in production.

Ergo, when money supply expands and inflation does not, it means production is expanding commensurately.

That is one explanation, there are others that does not mean an increase in production. You are over simplifying.

Did we have higher productivity in some sectors? Yes.

Did prices come down for some goods? Yes.

Did prices for consumers come down? Some.

It is a mixed bag, it is too simplistic to say productivity is down or even that inflation is down? On what? Housing? No. Gas? Yes. Groceries? No.

It is a mixed bag. But, it seems to make you feel better. So, I will go along. Yay...



The US economy under Donald Trump | The Economist



LOL you just explained what I said. There are any number of reasons WHY growth in productivity and growth in money supply might be approximately equal. But if they are, inflation numbers will reflect that. And they do at this time


There are other reasons that happens. You are also taking a very Macro approach, in all fairness most Presidents do, there are areas of concern with this economy.

If not, I agree with you.



of course I'm talking macro. Policy has to start with macro, or it becomes an unrecognizable mess of knee jerk responses. Macro sets the stage. Markets take it from there. If you need a few micro tweaks here & there to deal with imbalances....fine. Import a little beef. Stall a tariff for a few months until domestic supply chains can replace the import. Etc........but you have to have the macro policy to start with. And, finally, we have a logical macro plan to replace globalism that was hollowing out our industrial base (among other pathologies).

"The plan is nothing. HAVING a plan, is everything."
-DDE

Yes, you have macro view and a plan. But, you don't make future plan adjustments on the macro, you make them on the micro. The details of what is working and what is not. If you are not going to have an honest assessment you can't move off the original macro plan.

You rarely, if ever, will talk about the micro and adjustments that need to be made. I get it, that is the MAGA playbook. If you admit anything is not working it is weakness. Showing weakness is worse than being wrong.

Looks nice in a tweet or sound bite, but doesn't solve anything. This is why the whole thing is a reality show. There are no adjustments because there can't be, it is weakness. This is a Donald trait back to the 70's. Great idea, starts strong, no follow up. Why? Because he follows his gut and he can't admit mistakes as it shows weakness, so we stay on the same path.

The micro matters, just like how it is executed matters. Especially after initial contact. Tariffs are perfect test case, will Trump let Bessent make the moves that he needs to counter? OR, are we going to get 15% across the board, no make it 20% since Trump is pissed...?????


LOL. The macro always works. Look at globalism. We CHOSE to run a structural deficit. The micro (transition from a production economy to a service econmy) flowed from there. Now, we've changed the macro. I suggest you make peace with it. Learn it. Make it work for you. Don't fight city hall, as they say. If you make your business model dependent on imports you are going to get hurt.

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I get at first they probably didn't realize it was driverless but once they did why not get behind it and push it with a police car? At least to open one lane up.
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AP: A Waymo driverless vehicle was critically injured in the Austin club shooting
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Am I missing something? This actually seems reasonable to me and not just a cost cutting move.

To me it sounds almost like they are telling workers to use their time more efficiently and stop working late to catch up.

Which I think any of us that have worked in offices/business can say we have seen those times when workers spend a good chunk of the day NOT working.
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Let's not turn over all the keys to AI just yet

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It's a $136m investment. More importantly, it's not a new investment. It's an expansion. Article does not cite the initial investment (which is now existing tax base) but it likely was several billion dollars. So loss of the expansion put the whole tax base at risk. Nothing unusual about companies getting abatements to stay.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2026/03/northeast-ohio-data-center-expansion-project-lands-45-million-state-tax-break.html?outputType=amp

Tax base is equally important as jobs…..


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I don't know who this guy is or what he is talking about but it sounds like AI just solved his math problem? Or theoretical science question? Or what?

But along those lines I remember reading stuff about AI could be good at doing the research on things like solving math problems, theories, scientific theories, medical research, etc. when it is specifically written for that to pull all available data. research, etc. and find a solution.
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Since we humans cannot produce anything that's other than almost human, aka flawed, why bother, unless it's to deceive ourselves into believing we're infallible and omnipotent?
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I sincerely doubt Anthropic's CEO could define consciousness, especially as a measurable test for an artificial intelligence.

He ought to focus more on fixing Claude's habit of "hallucinating."

Claude is providing incorrect or misleading responses. What's going on? | Claude Help Center
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So we have an AI showing anxiety that we want tied into our Defense network???



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